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*transient* · 11-17-2003, 11:04 AM

Well, I've had enough with flashoptions screwing me out of money. They misrepresent themselves completely and it's time for it to end. I invite anyone who has purchased a clip from flashoptions to get in touch with me [email protected] because I'm going to be working on a class action suit, (if there isn't one going already), against flashoptions.com. Aparently there are already about 47 other people who are pretty annoyed with them and I'm going to be getting in touch with them soon. Please send me an email if you have been burned by them. Make the subject line: "flashoptions class action" if at all possible because I'll be filtering it into a seperate email box.

Let's take these bastards down!

jakerps13 · 11-19-2003, 01:08 PM

Yeah, I'm in. I put my story on the http://www.driftunderground.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=897 forums. I've a motor already now that it's almost a year later, but I want my money back!!:hammer:

HiPSI · 11-19-2003, 03:27 PM

aren't they in australia? is it possible to start a lawsuit against someone in another country? forgive my ignorance, just wondering here.

jakerps13 · 11-19-2003, 04:55 PM

Actually they're in Malaysia, ha at least that's where they told me to send the check. What a bunch of

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*transient* · 11-19-2003, 10:27 PM

Yeah, it's malaysia. I don't know the logistics of it, but I do know that it can be done. They ripped us off, misrepresented themselves to us, and they are doing business in the US, so there must be some way to retaliate. I'm still waiting on a call from my lawyer. If I don't hear back tomorrow I'll probably call again.

I'm actually surprised at the response. I've had reletively few people that have actually responded to the post and other emails that I've sent, but maybe when people see there's really something going on it will start to come together. At any rate, please let other's who have had problems know as well. The more people we get behind this, the better chance we have.

hookedup240 · 11-20-2003, 11:12 AM

hey guys i hate to tell you but you might be SOL you can't do anything to companies outside the U.S. I am about 80% positive on this.

But good luck anyway.

russian · 11-20-2003, 11:29 AM

call me an idiot, but i would never under any circumstances send a check in another country for goods, especially engine, especially malasia. but good luck on the suit!

Warwick5s · 11-20-2003, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by russian
call me an idiot, but i would never under any circumstances send a check in another country for goods, especially engine, especially malasia. but good luck on the suit!

*Sanchi* · 11-20-2003, 02:46 PM

Come on guys you dont have to say anything if it dosent help the situation. But nontheless i hope they get

Matt_240 · 11-20-2003, 03:31 PM

i dont think you guys can do this against a company based in another country. I suggest you guys pool your money together, take a trip to malaysia, beat the shit out of them, take your money back, and fly back, george bush style.

240Dave · 11-21-2003, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt_240
i dont think you guys can do this against a company based in another country. I suggest you guys pool your money together, take a trip to malaysia, beat the shit out of them, take your money back, and fly back, george bush style.

Good luck guys, I know nothign about the law...but I think this is a good idea above.

BeatJunky · 11-22-2003, 01:48 AM

Yes... go over there, dump on their lawns first and then do the above.

russian · 11-22-2003, 09:47 AM

first go find out your ticket price to malasiya and money you need to find em there. it will cost a prety penny.:hammer:

brokenben · 11-23-2003, 06:03 AM

actually.. i think that you can do something about it because they are doing business in the US.. there was a preceeding case that was something like this that involved business over the internet.. i'll havta ask my teacher.. (business law) i'll double check on it.

S13S14S15 · 11-24-2003, 06:08 PM

suing someone outside the country means lots of money and work...

*transient* · 11-24-2003, 10:38 PM

Well, from what I heard, they're soon going to have a place in Atlanta. So maybe this will help us along as well.

gh6o6 · 11-25-2003, 09:54 PM

Business law:

From my notes, just because they advertised and accepted your money means that they conducted business within the united states and the US federal court district has jurisdiction over them. Im not sure the legal ways to get them here but thats up to the court. Because you are the party that was wronged and you would be the plantiff, you can bring charges in the federal court district closest to your house, or in atlanta if there going to have an office there - you home state is the most convienent though

you might be able to get a lawyer to take the case on (damn forgot the term) more likely in class action - one lawer covers eveyone with a % of that whole amount sued for.

good luck
But i know for a FACT that your federal district court has jurisdiction over them, regardless of the original country

Straight from my law book:

a site must offer some degree of interactivity (such as allowing persons to order goods from that site) to meet the minimum contacts requirement (the one that give jurisdiction)

its gets tricky with international law because everyone wants jurisdiction but the US kicks ass for its citizens.

*transient* · 11-26-2003, 09:44 AM

Yeah, that's about what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation!

Matt_240 · 11-26-2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gh6o6
Business law:

From my notes, just because they advertised and accepted your money means that they conducted business within the united states and the US federal court district has jurisdiction over them. Im not sure the legal ways to get them here but thats up to the court. Because you are the party that was wronged and you would be the plantiff, you can bring charges in the federal court district closest to your house, or in atlanta if there going to have an office there - you home state is the most convienent though

you might be able to get a lawyer to take the case on (damn forgot the term) more likely in class action - one lawer covers eveyone with a % of that whole amount sued for.

good luck
But i know for a FACT that your federal district court has jurisdiction over them, regardless of the original country

Straight from my law book:

a site must offer some degree of interactivity (such as allowing persons to order goods from that site) to meet the minimum contacts requirement (the one that give jurisdiction)

its gets tricky with international law because everyone wants jurisdiction but the US kicks ass for its citizens.

well in that case, take them to court and beat the crap out of them.

S14TiNMAN · 11-29-2003, 12:23 PM

damn, that sucks man! the george bush style is the best idea yet. haha j/k. hope this $hit works out. good luck bro. peace.

ussil80 · 12-01-2003, 12:08 PM

bin doing that for 10 months ready to do this:hammer: ohh by the way this is my first post soo HELLO everyone
i am ready to go to court too

knghtryde · 12-02-2003, 12:11 PM

Good luck, and you better have a really really good international attorney.

Smart way to play it would be to keep quiet till they opened an office in the states then file the suite against them.

*transient* · 12-02-2003, 12:29 PM

Well, I'd really like to start gathering information as soon as possible, so as soon as I'm finished with school this semester (next week) I'm going to give the lawyer a call again.

knghtryde · 12-02-2003, 02:43 PM

I personaly have never had a bad experiance with Flashoptions. I've gotten what I've ordered from them, but I have a lot of friends who have been burned by them.

I just hope you get what your looking for and things work out. I'm a Paralegal so I'll start looking around and seeing if I can find out anything for you.

If I get any information I think might be able to help I'll PM you.

justinhustle · 12-04-2003, 01:38 PM

if anyone paid by credit card, to them

it becomes a federal fraud violation for money changing hands over wire transfer.

most likely, they will settle with you, provide whatever lawyer representing you, isnt a moron.

granted if you all sue for 200k, the settlement would look like 60k.

i highly doubt this would ever go to court, mainly because you can not necessarly harm flash, other than having their us business rights revoked

*transient* · 12-06-2003, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by knghtryde
I personaly have never had a bad experiance with Flashoptions. I've gotten what I've ordered from them, but I have a lot of friends who have been burned by them.

I just hope you get what your looking for and things work out. I'm a Paralegal so I'll start looking around and seeing if I can find out anything for you.

If I get any information I think might be able to help I'll PM you.

That would be really awesome if you could help us out. I'm finally finished with school for the semester so I'll have a lot more time to get working on this. I've been meaning to call the lawyer again but I just haven't had time.

LAZER RED 240 · 12-08-2003, 05:33 PM

Go to e-bay and look for the internet fraud link. I bought a mis-reresented clip from JDM_Wholesalers from Anacortes, Wa and have filled a case with the internet fraud organization through e-bay. Good luck. It always seem to be true, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is". I wish all the best of luck in some sort of recovery. I may be a good idae to find out where their web site is being hosted and have it removed from the internet.

91CRXsiR · 12-08-2003, 10:17 PM

if this company was a corporation which it prolly was, all they have to do is file a chapter 11 or 12 ( can't remeber which ) and they don't have to pay thier debts and everyones screwed.. and the crappy part is they can still be open for business.. sux huh? the law sux chaos is much more orderly hahaha j/p
hope u guys get em..

PS. have you gotten a response from them? or are they MIA?

uiuc240 · 12-08-2003, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by knghtryde
Good luck, and you better have a really really good international attorney.

Smart way to play it would be to keep quiet till they opened an office in the states then file the suite against them.

This is great advice. The hardest part of pursuing an internation lawsuit is going to be the fact that you have very little way of getting a hold of the person you are suing. All they have to do is pick up and leave, and you're left standing there with your balls flapping in the wind. The best thing to do would be to wait until they try to setup shop in the US. At that point, they will have had to go to the trouble to get a US Tax ID number, SS numbers for their owners, and all that shit. You can't do business in the US unless you are setup to pay taxes. And the only way you can setup to pay taxes is to provide some legitimate ways of being contacted in the event of fraud. Once the fraud is committed here, those dudes are in for some SERIOUS trouble, because the SEC and the IRS don't take kindly to people screwing around with money.

Anyway, much luck. I hate hearing about shady shit like this.

Eric

Ghettokracker71 · 12-10-2003, 02:15 PM

good luck guys !

11-17-2003, 11:04 AM	#1
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 40 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Class Action Suit: Flashoptions.com Well, I've had enough with flashoptions screwing me out of money. They misrepresent themselves completely and it's time for it to end. I invite anyone who has purchased a clip from flashoptions to get in touch with me [email protected] because I'm going to be working on a class action suit, (if there isn't one going already), against flashoptions.com. Aparently there are already about 47 other people who are pretty annoyed with them and I'm going to be getting in touch with them soon. Please send me an email if you have been burned by them. Make the subject line: "flashoptions class action" if at all possible because I'll be filtering it into a seperate email box. Let's take these bastards down! __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

11-19-2003, 01:08 PM	#2
jakerps13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Appleton, WI Age: 39 Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I'm in. I put my story on the http://www.driftunderground.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=897 forums. I've a motor already now that it's almost a year later, but I want my money back!!:hammer: __________________ Lower than a pornstar's morals.

11-19-2003, 03:27 PM	#3
HiPSI Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buford, GA Posts: 522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	aren't they in australia? is it possible to start a lawsuit against someone in another country? forgive my ignorance, just wondering here. __________________ SR motor set/clip $2500+, FMIC kit $700+, Downpipe $100+, 3" exhaust $500+, Misc install parts $100+, Shop labor for install $1000+ and you still only make 220rwhp for $5000 so what's so CHEAP about the SR swap again?

11-19-2003, 04:55 PM	#4
jakerps13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Appleton, WI Age: 39 Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually they're in Malaysia, ha at least that's where they told me to send the check. What a bunch of s __________________ Lower than a pornstar's morals.

11-19-2003, 10:27 PM	#5
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 40 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, it's malaysia. I don't know the logistics of it, but I do know that it can be done. They ripped us off, misrepresented themselves to us, and they are doing business in the US, so there must be some way to retaliate. I'm still waiting on a call from my lawyer. If I don't hear back tomorrow I'll probably call again. I'm actually surprised at the response. I've had reletively few people that have actually responded to the post and other emails that I've sent, but maybe when people see there's really something going on it will start to come together. At any rate, please let other's who have had problems know as well. The more people we get behind this, the better chance we have. __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

11-20-2003, 11:12 AM	#6
hookedup240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NJ Age: 40 Posts: 1,149 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey guys i hate to tell you but you might be SOL you can't do anything to companies outside the U.S. I am about 80% positive on this. But good luck anyway. __________________ 1991 240sx se 5spd - sold 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege

11-20-2003, 11:29 AM	#7
russian Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,336 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	call me an idiot, but i would never under any circumstances send a check in another country for goods, especially engine, especially malasia. but good luck on the suit! __________________ I must break you.

11-20-2003, 02:46 PM	#9
Sanchi Macadamia Nut Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Sanchi Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Come on guys you dont have to say anything if it dosent help the situation. But nontheless i hope they get __________________ "Fear is the path to the Dark Side..., Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Suffering…" -Yoda

11-20-2003, 03:31 PM	#10
Matt_240 Internet Drifter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hawaii Posts: 879 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont think you guys can do this against a company based in another country. I suggest you guys pool your money together, take a trip to malaysia, beat the shit out of them, take your money back, and fly back, george bush style.

11-22-2003, 01:48 AM	#12
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes... go over there, dump on their lawns first and then do the above.

11-22-2003, 09:47 AM	#13
russian Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,336 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	first go find out your ticket price to malasiya and money you need to find em there. it will cost a prety penny.:hammer: __________________ I must break you.

11-23-2003, 06:03 AM	#14
brokenben Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco Age: 39 Posts: 718 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	actually.. i think that you can do something about it because they are doing business in the US.. there was a preceeding case that was something like this that involved business over the internet.. i'll havta ask my teacher.. (business law) i'll double check on it.

11-24-2003, 06:08 PM	#15
S13S14S15 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: silvia Posts: 193 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	suing someone outside the country means lots of money and work...

11-24-2003, 10:38 PM	#16
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 40 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, from what I heard, they're soon going to have a place in Atlanta. So maybe this will help us along as well. __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

11-25-2003, 09:54 PM	#17
gh6o6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Business law: From my notes, just because they advertised and accepted your money means that they conducted business within the united states and the US federal court district has jurisdiction over them. Im not sure the legal ways to get them here but thats up to the court. Because you are the party that was wronged and you would be the plantiff, you can bring charges in the federal court district closest to your house, or in atlanta if there going to have an office there - you home state is the most convienent though you might be able to get a lawyer to take the case on (damn forgot the term) more likely in class action - one lawer covers eveyone with a % of that whole amount sued for. good luck But i know for a FACT that your federal district court has jurisdiction over them, regardless of the original country Straight from my law book: a site must offer some degree of interactivity (such as allowing persons to order goods from that site) to meet the minimum contacts requirement (the one that give jurisdiction) its gets tricky with international law because everyone wants jurisdiction but the US kicks ass for its citizens.

11-26-2003, 09:44 AM	#18
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 40 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, that's about what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation! __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

11-29-2003, 12:23 PM	#20
S14TiNMAN Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: san francisco bay area Age: 38 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn, that sucks man! the george bush style is the best idea yet. haha j/k. hope this $hit works out. good luck bro. peace. __________________ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ RIP JAM 31902 K.I.S. [keepin' it sideways] 95'SE 91' BASE--->NEW PROJECT

12-01-2003, 12:08 PM	#21
ussil80 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marland Age: 40 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bin doing that for 10 months ready to do this:hammer: ohh by the way this is my first post soo HELLO everyone i am ready to go to court too __________________ get sideways and fly

12-02-2003, 12:11 PM	#22
knghtryde Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: From San Jose, CA now Springfield, MO Age: 44 Posts: 787 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Good luck, and you better have a really really good international attorney. Smart way to play it would be to keep quiet till they opened an office in the states then file the suite against them. __________________ David Munoz, 1989 S13 KA24ET 1990 Infiniti Q45 To push oneself to the limit is all that one can do. To quit is to die.

12-02-2003, 12:29 PM	#23
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 40 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, I'd really like to start gathering information as soon as possible, so as soon as I'm finished with school this semester (next week) I'm going to give the lawyer a call again. __________________ Learn everything you can, while you still have the chance.

12-02-2003, 02:43 PM	#24
knghtryde Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: From San Jose, CA now Springfield, MO Age: 44 Posts: 787 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I personaly have never had a bad experiance with Flashoptions. I've gotten what I've ordered from them, but I have a lot of friends who have been burned by them. I just hope you get what your looking for and things work out. I'm a Paralegal so I'll start looking around and seeing if I can find out anything for you. If I get any information I think might be able to help I'll PM you. __________________ David Munoz, 1989 S13 KA24ET 1990 Infiniti Q45 To push oneself to the limit is all that one can do. To quit is to die.

12-04-2003, 01:38 PM	#25
justinhustle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ohio Age: 44 Posts: 1,693 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: justinhustle Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if anyone paid by credit card, to them it becomes a federal fraud violation for money changing hands over wire transfer. most likely, they will settle with you, provide whatever lawyer representing you, isnt a moron. granted if you all sue for 200k, the settlement would look like 60k. i highly doubt this would ever go to court, mainly because you can not necessarly harm flash, other than having their us business rights revoked

12-08-2003, 05:33 PM	#27
LAZER RED 240 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ALOHA, OR Age: 69 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	internet fraud Go to e-bay and look for the internet fraud link. I bought a mis-reresented clip from JDM_Wholesalers from Anacortes, Wa and have filled a case with the internet fraud organization through e-bay. Good luck. It always seem to be true, "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is". I wish all the best of luck in some sort of recovery. I may be a good idae to find out where their web site is being hosted and have it removed from the internet.

12-08-2003, 10:17 PM	#28
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 41 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	if this company was a corporation which it prolly was, all they have to do is file a chapter 11 or 12 ( can't remeber which ) and they don't have to pay thier debts and everyones screwed.. and the crappy part is they can still be open for business.. sux huh? the law sux chaos is much more orderly hahaha j/p hope u guys get em.. PS. have you gotten a response from them? or are they MIA?

12-10-2003, 02:15 PM	#30
Ghettokracker71 Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Don't look now... Age: 37 Posts: 3,327 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	good luck guys !