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Originally Posted by exitspeed
You have waaaaaay more spare time on your hands than I do my friend.
Look, I’m not saying we should be doing anything over there, but I’m not a military intelligence strategist either. I’ll be the first to admit I don’t follow what goes on over there as other people. Frankly, I don’t give a shit. However, given the fact that I’m not privy to the intricacies of the conflicts over there I will leave that up to the people that are. Trump isn’t acting alone on this, he’s going off of what he’s told and it sounds as though there were more embassy attacks planned.
Here’s another take I have...if we said fuck it and left the middle east alone they would still hate us and want to do harm to our allies. That ship has sailed. So what’s the solution? Do we just keep letting them kill our soldiers over there and never respond? No, that would only embolden them.
I don’t have a solution, nor do I pretend to. But I do think we need to respond accordingly.
What pisses me off about Hollywood and the Left here is they claim they care about human rights (lgbtq, minorities, women, etc) yet they are all coming forward and SUPPORTING a culture of people that LITERALLY sentence people to be hung for those things. It’s just total hypocrisy. Luckily there are people like Ricky Gervais that can come out and tell them right to their face they are hypocrites. Hollywood comedians can dish it out about trump, but when someone gives it back they are appalled.
Sorry, sorta jumped around there.
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I probably do have more time on my hands than you do, but I also research decisions made by those in power.
We cannot trust people in power, regardless if they're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, etc. They're in power- which means they have more control than we do. If someone has more control than me, I'm going to make sure that they're not pulling the wool over my eyes. I'm checking to make sure the taxi driver's face matches the license.
The ship has sailed to do something and to do nothing. If we do something, we keep getting farther and farther away from being able to do nothing, especially if that something is short-sighted. If we do nothing, it opens up the possibility of Russia or China working their way into the region even further. We put ourselves squarely in a catch-22.
We invaded Iraq without real evidence. We illegally crossed the borders of a sovereign nation, killed its military members (and some civilians in the crossfire), deposed its leader, and put tens of thousands of military-trained men out on the street. At no point was there an actual, factual, casus belli. We created a massive humanitarian and economic problem and had ZERO idea how to fix it. Hell, we didn't even invade Afghanistan properly- we should have immediately initiated heavy sanctions against Saudi Arabia but we let their literal sponsorship of 9/11 slide.
The people aren't the problem in Iran, and the government's law is ruled by two things: the Koran and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The intelligent people leave and the only people left are followers and those about to leave. Followers don't have much choice, given that poverty levels are high and per-capita income hasn't even hit 1988 levels again. More than 30% of the government spending is on religious foundations.
I'm anti-government. I find that most American outrage is self-righteous nationalism writ large rather than actual outrage, because Iran killing gays pales in comparison to us destabilizing an entire region over the course of four decades and plunging that region into economic, religious and social chaos all due to some stinking asshole's hard-on for the Russkies.