</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from White240sx on 4:48 pm on Jan. 31, 2002
Kicking the back out isn't drifting, it's power sliding. Learn grip lines or a road corse first, unless that is you are comfortable controlling a car with no traction around a corner.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>you still have to kick the back out to drift. From what I've seen kicking the back out past the apex of a turn is just, well kicking the back out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> a powerslide I guess (fun, easliy controlled but slower than gripping) whereas if you kick the back out (and do most of the sliding) before the apex of a turn than its a drift. IMO powersliding is an easy way to showoff to friends but serves no purpose, drifting is an actual driving technique.
To the original question...A lot of "drifters" like small wheels and such awful negative camber it's hard not to slide around every turn. As far as speed, start in a big (wet) empty parking lot...try to control figure8's and other stuff in 2nd gear. I dono about what speed to try it at on the street since I don't drift...I imagine 40mph in 2nd could be cool, you don't want to slide at 60+ your first time would you?
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