i have to say cars in oregon are ridiculous...they're like the dealer prices down here in socal...pretty bad. the car does look really good, but like everyone said 4100 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. it is after all a 16 year old car with quite a few miles. mine had a little more than that when i bought it (like 8 more) but i bought it for almost 3k less. i say offer 3k cash. that sounds reasonable. if you really want/need a car right now i say try to get this one because it looks good. if not you can wait it out. like a few others out there i waited about 4-5 months before i got mine. i passed up like 2-3 when getting my coupe.
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