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apexhumper · 07-05-2007, 06:07 PM

The 1st part of your post(bambaboy) reads like you clipped an article off somewhere but whatev.

You're right about the SUV thing, and the trouble they're having with the unions but those are only parts of their demise. Also the "big 3" have always had their full size trucks to lean back on, funny thing is that a few years back when they thought they had that market locked down and finaly decided to spend some time on their cars to do battle with Honda and Toyota, the Japanese where doing the exact opposite, and as soon as the Domestics dropped their guard, here come all the Japanese with full size trucks that do more than just carry shit in the back AND they're reliable. Guess who got caught with their pants down and lost more market share?

As far as european cars being expensive to maintain, no argument there, they are. But that doesnt mean that domestics are now better. Yes the domestic companies are scurrying to catch up but thats exatcly where theyre at. The big euro companies arent that worried about selling to midwest america because southern california is alreadly their biggest market for their luxury cars and that helps them out just fine, sure they'd like to sell more but they're doing just fine as it is.

Domestic companies have gotten over the beancounters and started spending money on design, and its getting better. But the beancounters are still leading the company, havent you noticed that domestic companies always come out with crazy ass concepts and everyone loves them but then they never build them? They have many talented designers other than Mr Mays but they're not willing to pay to tool up in order to build their designs. That's why the Mustang still runs on the same lame ass solid rear suspension, they're obsessed with re-bodying the same mechanicals over and over and over again in order to save money. How long did it take Ford to catch up on the variable valve timing systems? WAY too long. They need to kick up they're research and development programs which right now are nonexistent and realize that to make money you need to spend money.

07-05-2007, 06:07 PM	#55
apexhumper Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pasadena Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0)	The 1st part of your post(bambaboy) reads like you clipped an article off somewhere but whatev. You're right about the SUV thing, and the trouble they're having with the unions but those are only parts of their demise. Also the "big 3" have always had their full size trucks to lean back on, funny thing is that a few years back when they thought they had that market locked down and finaly decided to spend some time on their cars to do battle with Honda and Toyota, the Japanese where doing the exact opposite, and as soon as the Domestics dropped their guard, here come all the Japanese with full size trucks that do more than just carry shit in the back AND they're reliable. Guess who got caught with their pants down and lost more market share? As far as european cars being expensive to maintain, no argument there, they are. But that doesnt mean that domestics are now better. Yes the domestic companies are scurrying to catch up but thats exatcly where theyre at. The big euro companies arent that worried about selling to midwest america because southern california is alreadly their biggest market for their luxury cars and that helps them out just fine, sure they'd like to sell more but they're doing just fine as it is. Domestic companies have gotten over the beancounters and started spending money on design, and its getting better. But the beancounters are still leading the company, havent you noticed that domestic companies always come out with crazy ass concepts and everyone loves them but then they never build them? They have many talented designers other than Mr Mays but they're not willing to pay to tool up in order to build their designs. That's why the Mustang still runs on the same lame ass solid rear suspension, they're obsessed with re-bodying the same mechanicals over and over and over again in order to save money. How long did it take Ford to catch up on the variable valve timing systems? WAY too long. They need to kick up they're research and development programs which right now are nonexistent and realize that to make money you need to spend money. __________________ Dont sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things.