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Originally Posted by drift freaq

1. You popped attitude from the get go. Read your own posts carefully. I made ovbservations about the car. Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

2. There is no way you can compare a used10k glorified econobox coming from a company that builds crap and is in very bad financial trouble. To a 68k Super Car that smokes Super cars that cost 3-4 times its asking price.
If you had done your research or bothered to do it and quote you would already know the GTR bested the Porsche GT2 at the ring by a whole second around it. Thats no small feat and there is no way a piece of shit EVO IX is going to touch that. I don't think you did any research.

Your reply had no facts in it and did not prove anything except you had an opinion. If your reply had had actual facts backing up its claim people would not have ripped on you.
Saying you are on drugs is not calling you out. You were acting like you were on drugs so its just a stated opinion. If thats all it takes to call you out you have serious issues.

As far as your bet goes that was in your head not mine. I also replied that I was not interested in the bet as well read my replies again.

I may or may not buy a GTR when it comes out. Though I can gurantee due to the limited production run its not going to drop in value. Until Nissan starts mass producing it it just won't happen. Look no further than the NSX for a classic example it dropped in the first two years but then rocketed in value. Because Honda did not do high production run numbers on the car.
There are other cars in this catagory of not losing value as well and all are limited production vehicles.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. Though you don't go state your opinion as a fact with out using real facts to back it up and instead spit random numbers you came up with yourself. If you had said IMO everyone would have dismissed your comments as without knowledge but you tried to tell us all that you were right. You had the attitude not us.

All I did was call bullshit on your bullshit. Sorry, if you think thats attitude or it offends or calls you out.

Point out when I popped an attitude. Seriously I don't see it. I also can't even believe you are playing this "attitude" card on zilvia. This is fucking zilvia. Man the fuck up! It's a discussion, so counter the argument with something relevant, not I don't want to play anymore this guys has an attitude. Don't confuse someone having a different opinion with attitude.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

What? I want you to quote me where I am doing this. You are starting to fabricate shit now.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. Though you don't go state your opinion as a fact with out using real facts to back it up and instead spit random numbers you came up with yourself. If you had said IMO everyone would have dismissed your comments as without knowledge but you tried to tell us all that you were right. You had the attitude not us.

I wrote this.

Originally Posted by 0100

So how do we prove that fact that a roller IX can outperform a new gt-r? Going to have to wait till it comes out I guess, but trust me the gt-r will be 1 sec slower in the 1/4 and even further behind on the road course.

I don't know man that looks pretty IMO to me. My car and the gt-r are both not on the street yet so of course we don't have cold hard data yet. All we can do is take an educational guess. I told you my guess which is off of similar built evo's and what they run at the strip and road course and what the zo6 and 997tt runs.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

All I did was call bullshit on your bullshit. Sorry, if you think thats attitude or it offends or calls you out.

Dude I love this car discussion stuff, don't be sorry, that is what a debate is. If we both had the same opinion it would be gay.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I may or may not buy a GTR when it comes out. Though I can gurantee due to the limited production run its not going to drop in value. Until Nissan starts mass producing it it just won't happen. Look no further than the NSX for a classic example it dropped in the first two years but then rocketed in value. Because Honda did not do high production run numbers on the car.
There are other cars in this catagory of not losing value as well and all are limited production vehicles.

Ok finally something... I agree with you, but I think that is also going to cause it to go for more than $68k at the stealerships. We will have to see, this car excites me a lot I hope it doesn't disappoint. All I know is Porsche is some pissed off germans right now.

Originally Posted by trsilvias13

why dont drift freaq get a roller r32 gtr + however it cost to equal a new evo, and you get a new evo and see who would will 2 out of 3.... same arguement..

An old car + lots of cash will almost always take on new car stock performance.

^Someone who agrees with my logic.

The above r32 vs new evo goes against my logic though. The new evo in my mind is overpriced. My logic is a r32 roller + however much it cost to equal a new evo, gt-r, 997tt, lambo whatever will outperform it in every way.

I would have looked for an r34 to build but they don't come in lhd and I would suck ass at driving one.

Just as long as you start with a good chassis, skyline, evo, fd, 911, etc.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I hate this argument. It's so pointless.

Why is it pointless? Very confused... No I am serious tell me why it is pointless. A car is a car and money is money. We are talking about a car that can do x, y , and z better for the same (less) money. If you can make a faster, better handling car cheaper, then why go with a new car.

Don't just say pointless and not back it up. That's like me just saying overpriced. Except I backup my opinion and drift thanks I have an attitude. God forbid I want to settle this in the real world instead of behind a keyboard. Me I actually want to read your attitude, sorry I mean opinion.

Is it because we are talking about a 2006 tubo AWD that can hold a family vs a 2008 turbo AWD that is a 2 seater? Don't even try to tell me the gt-r can hold 4 people. It has a 911 backseat from what I read.

What about a used 996tt or c6 zo6? These can be had for 58k if you hunt. That gives you 10k extra to play with. To use in mods, travel or hookers. I don't know about you but I would take the 996 and hookers. Although I don't think you would have to pay for a slut with that car.