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Originally Posted by Wiisass

I still don't get all these coilover discussions. It usually ends up with people just getting involved in stupid arguments that have nothing to do with the coilovers.

Unfortunately, in this market, there are not many, or really any, companies that will produce dyno plots or give any specs on the valving on their dampers. Even a force number at a given speed would be better than nothing. And then most of the reviews are from people with little to no real experience. I don't mean driving experience, I mean experience with properly designed suspension. And even with real driving experience, read any organized motorsports driving, there are still a lot of people that don't know how things should work and how they should feel. But there is a difference between people who think something feels better and from people who know that this change made them faster at a certain track. The people with quantifiable evidence are much better suited to give a good review of a suspension. And I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, but I don't trust the reviews of 99% of the people in this market.

And for people who think Dennis Grant's Autocross secrets notes is crap, then you were either offended by what he wrote or just too close minded to accept someone else's experience. While I don't agree with everything he says, he does have a lot of experience with dampers and setting up suspensions. So his reviews of different brands of dampers are based on what he has seen on the shock dyno. Now even with some bias, this can't be far from the truth. A dyno doesn't lie, it tells you exactly what you want to know given a test. Although a basic crank dyno doesn't tell you everything, it tells you a lot more than a review from someone who drove down a mountain.

In my opinion, unless dyno plots are shown or unbiased reviews from one of the few people that I trust are given, all this crap is the same, it's just a different color.

So without empirical data, this discussion is worthless. Unless there come in a color that will better match your car than any of the other entry level coilovers coming from somewhere in asia.

Tim

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