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Mr Clark, do you know in fact how they initiated the gun ban in Canada? I'd be glad to have some reinforcement in the registration leads to confiscation argument.
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You'll run into problems if you extrapolate that theory. Confiscation and Gun registration are intrinsically linked. Registration wouldn't be necessary if potential confiscation wasn't the ultimate objective. The problem however comes that registration of firearms and the subsequent confiscation thereof are done for two different reasons today. In most developed countries, the strict control of firearms is seen as a public health issue. In other countries, and historically, guns are registered and confiscated primarily to keep political regimes in power. While many may see the former to be easily exploideable agenda to subversively institute the latter, the big difference between the two is that in the first world, guns bans generally supported by the public, where as in other countries they are generally imposed by the governing regime.
Modern, developed countries face little chance of experiencing societal or governmental collapse like what was happening not even 50 years ago.
It should be noted, also, however, that gun bans do not have a distinguishable correlation with dropping gun related crime. Nor do countries with liberal gun laws have an epidemic problem with gun related crime.
South Africa has a near total ban on firearms yet has one of the highest crime, and particularly gun crime rates in the world. Conversely, Israel and Switzerland have private gun ownerships as high or higher than the U.S. yet do not share the same rate of gun crimes.
Although there are legitimate points on both sides of the issue, in the end the issue is more or less about way individual societies view weapons and acceptable behavior as opposed to the actual objects themselves.
I personally am a concealed firearms permit holder. I feel more secure knowing I have the ability to do what I feel will improve my personal safety. Although I should also note that I've never been in a situation where that level of force is necessary. In fact, the number of situations that could have remotely escalated to that level are so few and far between that it's irrelevant. Guess I'm a lucky, peaceable person.
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What if your Grandfather brought a gun back from WWII and it was all you had left of him? Would anyone give that up? Not likely. Instant criminal when Obamski does his thing with the U.N. thing.
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What?!
Trust me, Obama or not, gun culture will remain alive and well. The cultural attitudes towards guns in America is completely different to what you'd find in places like Europe.
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Now somebody said somethin about Bush pissin everybody off and goin for two terms. To those who say he's dumb, how'd he figure out how to get a second term? He beat out the dems twice so he had to be doin somethin right. And his pissin everybody off was pretty much dictated by 9/11 right? What would you have done differently, in his shoes?
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Bush
barely won two elections.
Only one, if you look at it like a lot of other people do.
Both elections were heavily contested.
As I said in another post, Bush won the first election on a wave of anti-Clintonism and moral conservatism that was born under Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress. This movement largely insured victory for Bush only because it was able to bring the more traditional and fiscal Conservatives under its umbrella. Had the whole and the White Water investigation and the consequent impeachment not happened Gore would have probably won.
The second time around, Bush, again, barely won. This time largely due to the Republican's party successful attempt to rally enough of the American people behind the war cause, by making them feel guilty for questioning the administration's handling of affairs.
President Bush is certainly not dumb. But by no means is he eloquent or successful at explaining and proving his agenda. Definitely not somebody, I would want representing my country, the more powerful country in the world, to the rest of the world.
As far as what I would have done differently 9/11?
Well, I certainly wouldn't have invaded a little country called Iraq...