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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Haha, I love to have this argument in person, and then pop the hood of my FD, and take them for a ride.

People go from "I hate V8 swaps, they're so gay", to "if I had money, I'd do this".

If you hate LS-series V8's you've either never ridden in one, can't afford one, or aren't involved in any form of competitive road racing. LS-series motors aren't so prevalent because they look good, or sound cool ~ they're around because they win. *cough* look at GT1 C5R and C6R Corvettes in Le Mans *cough* Drag racing? No 4cylinders there *cough* Formula 1? V8's! *cough* Drifting? Yup, V8's

If anyone on this continent cared about rally racing, there'd be V8's winning there too.

I've had SR20's since 2005, built a RB25 last year, and swapped chassis and motors to the LS1 FD this year. I miss the RB's sound and fast rev's, but the Ls-series motors can't be beat when your priority is winning, not looking good to the other JDM kids.

This thread should lock the thread. Half the people bitching about these motors have probbably never been in anything decently fast. Hell a stock LQ4 in these cars can push it into the low 12's....that's awesome if you ask me

Originally Posted by jspaeth

THIS is a load of bullshit.

Don't conufse a BIG engine for a GREAT engine.

An F20/F22 is a GREAT engine, with over 100 hp/L.

An LS1 or LS2 with 350 hp on 6 L is an inefficient engine that is just fucking BIG.


I am more into "refinement" or "efficiency". Look at formula 1 and shit. It's not about raw power, it's about power within the confines of a certain displacement.....how EFFICIENT of a motor can you build.

But why would a 225 hp/250 ft lbs 5.0 be faster than a 240 hp/150 ft lb 2.0 in that s2000?

I'm not against an efficient build....or an efficient motor -- however I'd rather go fast and perform best. Sure that 5.0 is junk/old/ancient and really a anchor...but in the end of the day, in raw numbers, it would out perform that F20 in all aspects stock/stock.

Now if you want to talk about power per modification....again the 5.0 and LSX are king. Show me cams in an F20 that make 100 whp? They can't...that engine is topped out. So to me, it's hard to compare a severely detuned factory LSx to a factory topped out F20c. I'm sure if GM did the same thing they easily could. Heck even look at LS7's...they make mid 400 whp. Throw a decent cam in them, and tune...wow you're looking at 550ish why with just a cam...nothing else. That's pretty impressive.


I also like the simplicity of the Pushrod cars -- they are a very barbaric setup, but in the end of the day, they work and are EASILY serviceable. The same can not be said for per say, a VH or a MOD motor, or etc etc. Also, they are proven to make more power N/A than the VH and MOD motor with similar modification. So ultimately, many confuse complexity with efficiency.

Originally Posted by jspaeth

This is why I hate all of the old mustangs and corvettes. They weren't really THAT fast whatsoever, they just had big, SHITTY motors in them.

True, but they still made great power for their day. It's hard comparing a 200 whp small block of the 60's to a 500 whp one of today...that's almost unfair.

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Originally Posted by jspaeth

That's why I mentioned the S2K motors....bc right out of the box, AS DESIGNED AND SOLD, they are amazingly efficient and well-engineered.

But also tapped out of power. As a performance guy, I'd take a lazy v8 making 450 whp, not stressing a damn thing, than a strung out high compression RPM screamer making 300 whp but a race motor.

Originally Posted by bb4_96

You have so much low down torque you might as well name your LS swapped 240 the sit and spin. Might as well go make friends at the tire shop because you'll be shooting them some nice bank just trying to dd your car. At least with a 4cyl turbo motor you have a little bit of lag to get your car moving before all hell breaks loose.

1. This is why you put a decent tire under the car, or a decent compound
2. Any decent 4 cyl turbo that makes power ends up ripping the tires off just as easily in 1st and 2nd.

So while the lsx car is sit and spin, the SR car is sit 10 ft furhter down the road and spin.

Originally Posted by bb4_96

If i ever here there's no replacement for displacement ever again I'm going to call up all the F1 teams and let them know it's time to pack it in. They've had a good run but the LSX are here.

I'd venture to say that if you were to measure overall stress endured on a motor, and their strength, and power production over time/speed/distance, that a Nascar V8 is a 'stronger' engine than an F1 Engine. I really don't think people undertand how perfectly engineered an F1 motor is, and how 'not perfectly' engineered a V8 is....and then when you see one making 700 whp N/A, for 5 hours, at 180 mph, for 500 miles, at 8000+ rpm....it kind amakes you sit back and think 'holy shit, that thing really is beyond any dreams'...just like an F1 motor.

Originally Posted by bb4_96

lol lsx is a great motor.. but most motors are or they wouldn't put them in cars they're going to sell to thousands of people(with few exceptions).

True, but I guess by your thought process then, a GA16 is the perfect motor then right? I guess by a certain standard one could view it that way.

Originally Posted by bb4_96

I guess i'm just tired of seeing them in 240's. I'd rather see something new and interesting. One more trick flow manifold in a 240 bay and i'll yak.

This post essentially sums up how little you even know about V8 swpped cars. Stick to hating on what you think; the world needs more idiots.

Originally Posted by VROOOM

probably not if you actually put a tire on the car. not a 215 stretched over a 10 inch wheel

LOL! Hell yea!

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

personally I'm torn
I'm a nissan purist and frankly the thought of an American V8 in a
240 is somewhat repulsive
but logically I can't come up with a good argument against
as been mentioned, most of the people doing LS swaps
are people that have done NA and turbo builds and track their cars
sooner or later, cost and common sense takes over
imo people doing swaps because it's 'rare', uncommon or they want to be unique are idiots

There is a reason that since the 50's, performance junkies have all eventually gone V8 (in one form or another) for their track cars. Much like you, I'm a Ford guy to the end...but I'd swap 100 LSX's into my 240 before a mod motor.

Being brand 'strong' is cool, I am too. But when it comes down to hauling ass...at all costs (within budget hehe) is my motto.


And yes, those who don't like swaps because they are 'trendy/uncool/' are morons.