r240, thanks very much, but also I realized I need the antenna plugged in too or else it doesnt work, maybe you assumed I had it plugged in already, gotta love having to buy a stupid antenna adapter, but yah I tested my buddys car and got a 12 volt, so then I decided to splice into my water temp gauge for ignition and bam. it worked, also, is maybe the antenna a ground, because I noticed on my buddys car that he wasnt using that ground either, and I had already pulled my makeshift ground, maybe ill put it back on, and see if it works without the antenna, not like it matters, just wondering if the antenna is the ground source for the radio, but id never run the radio wout an antenna anyway,
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