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hellion240sx · 11-10-2004, 02:13 AM

>>>>>>***CLIFF NOTES TO THIS THREAD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SKIP THROUGH ***<<<<<<<

--whatever it is it shouldnt stop you from enjoying your thing. Thats what life is all about, enjoying it. whats the point of living life if ur not happy

--If you spend enough time with your g/f then she should have no problems with the fact that you have a hobby, that being said it should never go past hobby status, bills and food and stuff of that nature always come first no matter what ( sometimes that part sucks the most ) if you have some left over then enjoy the fruits of your labor. I do not spend my money wisely all the time and I have come to be ok with that, you should to.

--its a hobby, an expensive hobby that is. my theory is just do as much as you can and be happy then start looking forward besides the car.

--You can always come back to fixing up a car. Establish your life first then do what you love to do.

--The only way this will ever stay with you is in the backseat as a hobby when you get yoru life straight and finish school or have a job career where you become an adult and still have to fix up your car while living your life.

--I have seen people dump so much money into car's and abandon so much of there life just for a hobby not take them anywhere but just for that breif limelight. It's a great hobby and all dont get me wrong we all love our car's but what im saying we all just need not to lose sight of what we need to do in our lives. We need to put our lives first before our hobbies.

--You CAN still be an old fart and like cars. (don't ask me how I know) The trick is, that as you mature your priorities must change while you and your situation change. You may have periods where you cut back. You may have periods where you spend more time with your cars. Everyone NEEDS a hobby.

--as a 21 year old single guy college graduate who has dumped thousands of dollars into cars before i can say that it is definately worth it. why? cause it makes you happy. your car never nags you or cheats on you or leaves you or gets pissed when you get sidetracked for a while.
if anyone is stupid enough to give up something they love for someone that can't understand why its ann important part of you doesn't deserve to have such a blessing to begin with.
i'll have my cars and my garage and if it takes me a decade to find a chick that's totally cool with it i'm down with that. steady g/f's only eat mod money anyhow.

--i also do it b/c i don't have money to buy a new car so I really need to maintain this one.
if you look at it from another perspective, most enthusiasts don't spend as much on their car compared to people who buy a car brand new. a 240sx needs liability insurance only. that saves money. on top of that it doesn't have a 20k+ pricetag. even if you bought a s13 and dumped 5k into basic maintenance, repairs and a few upgrades you'd still be a good 10k+ under a new car, and you would be able to fix most problems yourself.

--maybe you girl just needs to know you got it under control. I wouldn't view it as nagging or "cracking the whip".

--If you are worried about it being a good investmnet then sell it you will never get the money and time back from your project, you have to do it because you love it and for no other reason

-- you can also laugh at all the suckers driving 2004 cars that took a $2500 to $7000 hit the moment their front wheels left the new car dealer's parking lot -- And this is considered the reasonable thing to do!???

--if you're really worried about your future, save a little bit now. while you are a sophmore in college, get your MAJOR DOWN FIRM. and get GOOD GRADES. yes, it does matter. work is competition and every little bit that you can put over the other guy helps you land a cushy job. finally, and this is probably the most important, get internships and jobs and never stop working all through college.

--If you asked me if my cars are "worth it" . i'd say: If i didnt race my cars, they would be piles of shit. I dont care about how cool it is to have a 240. It's a waste of money if it's just sitting there with all these performance mods.

--i realized that the people doing it had a goal, and that was someting i didn't have. there was nothing i was trying to acheive by modding my car other than having a modded car.
if you race or drift with some goal in mind (getting better, winning, whatever), it helps you focus your hobby's priorities and gives it some kind of purpose, and that makes it much more fulfilling and worth the effort.

I THINK I CHOSE THIS ONE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS HEH

--to the guy that says he wished he wouldn't have modded all i can say is "your car can only be as good as the effort/money, knowledge, and taste of its owner".
this sounds like blasphemy to me. you guys are talking like this is just some little thing that doesn't matter. if you take care of a car it will take care of you. do the same with a girl? she'll eventually call you a pussy and elope with the pool boy.
that's the problem with women today. they want to get hitched and start a family so they don't have to put out anymore, have you by the nuts, and can strip everything you love only to replace it with what they want.
no thanks, i like my nuts just where they are.

--motorsports isn't something you just grow out of. its like skating. you love it enough to sacrifice stuff in order to do it or you don't. posers

--I know from my experience any woman that is going to ask me to give up something i love isnt the woman for me... i dont tell her how to spend her money she doesnt tell me how to spend mine..
The woman i marry will just have to accept the fact that i'm gonna modify all the cars we own no matter what...lol
BUT priorities are a huge part, sometimes you dont have the money for parts then you have to wait on them, but dont make it so you're forgetting bills to mod your car...next thing you know you miss a car payment and your 400 RWHP corvette eater is in the impound lot and your credit is fucked...

--It really depends on you - what you want in life and what you can do financially.

--This is no ferrari I'm talking about. This is the same car that I bought for $1500, 93 coupe se with no broken speedo, broken odometer, no radio, blown speakers, no ac, leaking oil as fast as you could pour it in, all complimented by some exterior dents. So 3 years later, $11,000 in performance mods in just the past 40 days, I have a car that a crack head could not sell. Yet I veiw it as a dream car. I love the car, But many people think I a missing a few screws. I have invested around 20k in an old beat up s13. I dont regreat it one bit. Even though the car is 4+ colors, it will most likly stomp any $100k+ car. I think I need the help, but I will take my hollow 240 to the grave. I will most likely die in the thing within the year. Cheers!

--Bored with all the recent threads so I brought up this oldie but goodie. I recently calculated how much I've spent on the car last two year ($9k) and asked myself...was it worth it?
Most definetly yes! It took me a second to come up with why but it came to me. Learning all this info about suspension, turbocharging and basically dipping into every car aspect I can think of makes me more competative in the career I choose to have.

--sometimes its not worth the money... but thats why you should limit yourself to what your hobby is...
just cuz you have a whole future ahead of you doesnt mean you have to give up the present... but just calm down on it a bit...if there were no hobbies... life would be boring... basically everything is a hobby... whether its sports to skating to cars to video games to being on crappy zilvia talking about nothing (hehe.. just kidding).. basically all hobbies.. why? something you love to do..

--I realize that modding my car is a waste of money. However, I still mod my car...I just spend money on it sparsely compared to the past. I have my mind set on higher prorities and the only reason why I have not moved on to another car is because my lifestyle (work, school, social) does not demand for it.

--dude think of it this way: some guys spend their money on model trains, other guys spend their money on landscape around their house, other guys collect weird antique things, other guys spend their money on different computer things, we build cars. in the long run its not going to matter what you spend your money on, the big thing is spend it on something that makes you happy.

--it all boils down to money, if u have alot of it, u can afford to mod a car and still have enough to save for a house etc. if ur riding the thin line - spendin money on food or car parts, then u have a problem.
if ur going to college and u know u will graduate and get a good paying job and start saving for a house blah blah then your car mod wasted money shouldnt really be a problem.

--Do what you love hobby or not. If it keeps you happy forget what other people say.

--think about it this way, the car, time, money, labor, troubles, injuries, and messes you have had happen to you are only worthless in the eyes of the beholder, a bottle cap to someone could be worth just as much as a house to someone else. If you like your hobby, then youl ike your hobby, that is you, and only you should decide whether you stick with it or not, granted you may have priorities coming up in the future, the automotive hobby can still stay with you, just have to find ways to manage all of it together.

--better than spending all your money on cocain or hookers so its not that bad. what you need is your priorities and thats it. you need to spend time with the things you love. that means your girlfriend, your family whatever your car etc. having a nice car is like having an nice house. are your priorities wrong when you paint your living room or buy a tv? what about a new couch? you spend alot of time in your car whether driving it to work or whatever. why shouldnt you raise your level of enjoyment with your car like you would your house? whats different between the 2 besides the fact that 1 is more fun unless you think curtains are fun then you have your own issues. if you have to give up your car then she has to give up her shopping. if she cant understand you have a hobby you enjoy as well shes not right for you, period. she starts by "taking away" what you do for fun then who knows where she goes less. dont be whipped, dont let her run everything because you will just find yourself miserable. if you are irrational and blow the rent on coilovers then thats one thing but if kept within a decent check and all the bills get paid then there shouldnt (and tell her it will not) be an issue.

--I like the word getting more mature than what you were in highschool.
Am going into about 5grand right now maybe a little more into my car. Was it worth it yup. Getting into cars is my way into getting socaliable with people, am a very shy guy that won't talk to anyone. I gotton to know tons of people at meets and so on. So to me this is worth it.
Girls, ehh, i was in love, heart broken, shit, 2 years down the drain, now that wasn't worth it!

--1. Make sure you have your priorities in order.
#2. Other people around you should have some consideration of you that you like to mess around with/fix up cars and accept it. It's something that you enjoy doing and no one should be able to ruin that as long as it doesn't interefere with #1.

--manipulating your priorities is part of growing up. its a form of art like painting or sculpture where you form your own self expression

--I'm always baffled why people think cars are a kid's hobby when keeping up with them requires an adult income. The happiest, coolest car guys I know are 40, 50, 60+ years old.

--lets review!

>>>>>>***CLIFF NOTES TO THIS THREAD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SKIP THROUGH ***<<<<<<<

--whatever it is it shouldnt stop you from enjoying your thing. Thats what life is all about, enjoying it. whats the point of living life if ur not happy

--If you spend enough time with your g/f then she should have no problems with the fact that you have a hobby, that being said it should never go past hobby status, bills and food and stuff of that nature always come first no matter what ( sometimes that part sucks the most ) if you have some left over then enjoy the fruits of your labor. I do not spend my money wisely all the time and I have come to be ok with that, you should to.

--its a hobby, an expensive hobby that is. my theory is just do as much as you can and be happy then start looking forward besides the car.

--You can always come back to fixing up a car. Establish your life first then do what you love to do.

--The only way this will ever stay with you is in the backseat as a hobby when you get yoru life straight and finish school or have a job career where you become an adult and still have to fix up your car while living your life.

--I have seen people dump so much money into car's and abandon so much of there life just for a hobby not take them anywhere but just for that breif limelight. It's a great hobby and all dont get me wrong we all love our car's but what im saying we all just need not to lose sight of what we need to do in our lives. We need to put our lives first before our hobbies.

--You CAN still be an old fart and like cars. (don't ask me how I know) The trick is, that as you mature your priorities must change while you and your situation change. You may have periods where you cut back. You may have periods where you spend more time with your cars. Everyone NEEDS a hobby.

--as a 21 year old single guy college graduate who has dumped thousands of dollars into cars before i can say that it is definately worth it. why? cause it makes you happy. your car never nags you or cheats on you or leaves you or gets pissed when you get sidetracked for a while.
if anyone is stupid enough to give up something they love for someone that can't understand why its ann important part of you doesn't deserve to have such a blessing to begin with.
i'll have my cars and my garage and if it takes me a decade to find a chick that's totally cool with it i'm down with that. steady g/f's only eat mod money anyhow.

--i also do it b/c i don't have money to buy a new car so I really need to maintain this one.
if you look at it from another perspective, most enthusiasts don't spend as much on their car compared to people who buy a car brand new. a 240sx needs liability insurance only. that saves money. on top of that it doesn't have a 20k+ pricetag. even if you bought a s13 and dumped 5k into basic maintenance, repairs and a few upgrades you'd still be a good 10k+ under a new car, and you would be able to fix most problems yourself.

--maybe you girl just needs to know you got it under control. I wouldn't view it as nagging or "cracking the whip".

--If you are worried about it being a good investmnet then sell it you will never get the money and time back from your project, you have to do it because you love it and for no other reason

-- you can also laugh at all the suckers driving 2004 cars that took a $2500 to $7000 hit the moment their front wheels left the new car dealer's parking lot -- And this is considered the reasonable thing to do!???

--if you're really worried about your future, save a little bit now. while you are a sophmore in college, get your MAJOR DOWN FIRM. and get GOOD GRADES. yes, it does matter. work is competition and every little bit that you can put over the other guy helps you land a cushy job. finally, and this is probably the most important, get internships and jobs and never stop working all through college.

--If you asked me if my cars are "worth it" . i'd say: If i didnt race my cars, they would be piles of shit. I dont care about how cool it is to have a 240. It's a waste of money if it's just sitting there with all these performance mods.

--i realized that the people doing it had a goal, and that was someting i didn't have. there was nothing i was trying to acheive by modding my car other than having a modded car.
if you race or drift with some goal in mind (getting better, winning, whatever), it helps you focus your hobby's priorities and gives it some kind of purpose, and that makes it much more fulfilling and worth the effort.

11-10-2004, 02:13 AM	#49
hellion240sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 43 Posts: 1,514 Trader Rating: (0)	Lets Review!!! >>>>>>*CLIFF NOTES TO THIS THREAD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SKIP THROUGH <<<<<<< --whatever it is it shouldnt stop you from enjoying your thing. Thats what life is all about, enjoying it. whats the point of living life if ur not happy --If you spend enough time with your g/f then she should have no problems with the fact that you have a hobby, that being said it should never go past hobby status, bills and food and stuff of that nature always come first no matter what ( sometimes that part sucks the most ) if you have some left over then enjoy the fruits of your labor. I do not spend my money wisely all the time and I have come to be ok with that, you should to. --its a hobby, an expensive hobby that is. my theory is just do as much as you can and be happy then start looking forward besides the car. --You can always come back to fixing up a car. Establish your life first then do what you love to do. --The only way this will ever stay with you is in the backseat as a hobby when you get yoru life straight and finish school or have a job career where you become an adult and still have to fix up your car while living your life. --I have seen people dump so much money into car's and abandon so much of there life just for a hobby not take them anywhere but just for that breif limelight. It's a great hobby and all dont get me wrong we all love our car's but what im saying we all just need not to lose sight of what we need to do in our lives. We need to put our lives first before our hobbies. --You CAN still be an old fart and like cars. (don't ask me how I know) The trick is, that as you mature your priorities must change while you and your situation change. You may have periods where you cut back. You may have periods where you spend more time with your cars. Everyone NEEDS a hobby. --as a 21 year old single guy college graduate who has dumped thousands of dollars into cars before i can say that it is definately worth it. why? cause it makes you happy. your car never nags you or cheats on you or leaves you or gets pissed when you get sidetracked for a while. if anyone is stupid enough to give up something they love for someone that can't understand why its ann important part of you doesn't deserve to have such a blessing to begin with. i'll have my cars and my garage and if it takes me a decade to find a chick that's totally cool with it i'm down with that. steady g/f's only eat mod money anyhow. --i also do it b/c i don't have money to buy a new car so I really need to maintain this one. if you look at it from another perspective, most enthusiasts don't spend as much on their car compared to people who buy a car brand new. a 240sx needs liability insurance only. that saves money. on top of that it doesn't have a 20k+ pricetag. even if you bought a s13 and dumped 5k into basic maintenance, repairs and a few upgrades you'd still be a good 10k+ under a new car, and you would be able to fix most problems yourself. --maybe you girl just needs to know you got it under control. I wouldn't view it as nagging or "cracking the whip". --If you are worried about it being a good investmnet then sell it you will never get the money and time back from your project, you have to do it because you love it and for no other reason -- you can also laugh at all the suckers driving 2004 cars that took a $2500 to $7000 hit the moment their front wheels left the new car dealer's parking lot -- And this is considered the reasonable thing to do!??? --if you're really worried about your future, save a little bit now. while you are a sophmore in college, get your MAJOR DOWN FIRM. and get GOOD GRADES. yes, it does matter. work is competition and every little bit that you can put over the other guy helps you land a cushy job. finally, and this is probably the most important, get internships and jobs and never stop working all through college. --If you asked me if my cars are "worth it" . i'd say: If i didnt race my cars, they would be piles of shit. I dont care about how cool it is to have a 240. It's a waste of money if it's just sitting there with all these performance mods. --i realized that the people doing it had a goal, and that was someting i didn't have. there was nothing i was trying to acheive by modding my car other than having a modded car. if you race or drift with some goal in mind (getting better, winning, whatever), it helps you focus your hobby's priorities and gives it some kind of purpose, and that makes it much more fulfilling and worth the effort. I THINK I CHOSE THIS ONE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS HEH --to the guy that says he wished he wouldn't have modded all i can say is "your car can only be as good as the effort/money, knowledge, and taste of its owner". this sounds like blasphemy to me. you guys are talking like this is just some little thing that doesn't matter. if you take care of a car it will take care of you. do the same with a girl? she'll eventually call you a pussy and elope with the pool boy. that's the problem with women today. they want to get hitched and start a family so they don't have to put out anymore, have you by the nuts, and can strip everything you love only to replace it with what they want. no thanks, i like my nuts just where they are. --motorsports isn't something you just grow out of. its like skating. you love it enough to sacrifice stuff in order to do it or you don't. posers --I know from my experience any woman that is going to ask me to give up something i love isnt the woman for me... i dont tell her how to spend her money she doesnt tell me how to spend mine.. The woman i marry will just have to accept the fact that i'm gonna modify all the cars we own no matter what...lol BUT priorities are a huge part, sometimes you dont have the money for parts then you have to wait on them, but dont make it so you're forgetting bills to mod your car...next thing you know you miss a car payment and your 400 RWHP corvette eater is in the impound lot and your credit is fucked... --It really depends on you - what you want in life and what you can do financially. --This is no ferrari I'm talking about. This is the same car that I bought for $1500, 93 coupe se with no broken speedo, broken odometer, no radio, blown speakers, no ac, leaking oil as fast as you could pour it in, all complimented by some exterior dents. So 3 years later, $11,000 in performance mods in just the past 40 days, I have a car that a crack head could not sell. Yet I veiw it as a dream car. I love the car, But many people think I a missing a few screws. I have invested around 20k in an old beat up s13. I dont regreat it one bit. Even though the car is 4+ colors, it will most likly stomp any $100k+ car. I think I need the help, but I will take my hollow 240 to the grave. I will most likely die in the thing within the year. Cheers! --Bored with all the recent threads so I brought up this oldie but goodie. I recently calculated how much I've spent on the car last two year ($9k) and asked myself...was it worth it? Most definetly yes! It took me a second to come up with why but it came to me. Learning all this info about suspension, turbocharging and basically dipping into every car aspect I can think of makes me more competative in the career I choose to have. --sometimes its not worth the money... but thats why you should limit yourself to what your hobby is... just cuz you have a whole future ahead of you doesnt mean you have to give up the present... but just calm down on it a bit...if there were no hobbies... life would be boring... basically everything is a hobby... whether its sports to skating to cars to video games to being on crappy zilvia talking about nothing (hehe.. just kidding).. basically all hobbies.. why? something you love to do.. --I realize that modding my car is a waste of money. However, I still mod my car...I just spend money on it sparsely compared to the past. I have my mind set on higher prorities and the only reason why I have not moved on to another car is because my lifestyle (work, school, social) does not demand for it. --dude think of it this way: some guys spend their money on model trains, other guys spend their money on landscape around their house, other guys collect weird antique things, other guys spend their money on different computer things, we build cars. in the long run its not going to matter what you spend your money on, the big thing is spend it on something that makes you happy. --it all boils down to money, if u have alot of it, u can afford to mod a car and still have enough to save for a house etc. if ur riding the thin line - spendin money on food or car parts, then u have a problem. if ur going to college and u know u will graduate and get a good paying job and start saving for a house blah blah then your car mod wasted money shouldnt really be a problem. --Do what you love hobby or not. If it keeps you happy forget what other people say. --think about it this way, the car, time, money, labor, troubles, injuries, and messes you have had happen to you are only worthless in the eyes of the beholder, a bottle cap to someone could be worth just as much as a house to someone else. If you like your hobby, then youl ike your hobby, that is you, and only you should decide whether you stick with it or not, granted you may have priorities coming up in the future, the automotive hobby can still stay with you, just have to find ways to manage all of it together. --better than spending all your money on cocain or hookers so its not that bad. what you need is your priorities and thats it. you need to spend time with the things you love. that means your girlfriend, your family whatever your car etc. having a nice car is like having an nice house. are your priorities wrong when you paint your living room or buy a tv? what about a new couch? you spend alot of time in your car whether driving it to work or whatever. why shouldnt you raise your level of enjoyment with your car like you would your house? whats different between the 2 besides the fact that 1 is more fun unless you think curtains are fun then you have your own issues. if you have to give up your car then she has to give up her shopping. if she cant understand you have a hobby you enjoy as well shes not right for you, period. she starts by "taking away" what you do for fun then who knows where she goes less. dont be whipped, dont let her run everything because you will just find yourself miserable. if you are irrational and blow the rent on coilovers then thats one thing but if kept within a decent check and all the bills get paid then there shouldnt (and tell her it will not) be an issue. --I like the word getting more mature than what you were in highschool. Am going into about 5grand right now maybe a little more into my car. Was it worth it yup. Getting into cars is my way into getting socaliable with people, am a very shy guy that won't talk to anyone. I gotton to know tons of people at meets and so on. So to me this is worth it. Girls, ehh, i was in love, heart broken, shit, 2 years down the drain, now that wasn't worth it! --1. Make sure you have your priorities in order. #2. Other people around you should have some consideration of you that you like to mess around with/fix up cars and accept it. It's something that you enjoy doing and no one should be able to ruin that as long as it doesn't interefere with #1. --manipulating your priorities is part of growing up. its a form of art like painting or sculpture where you form your own self expression --I'm always baffled why people think cars are a kid's hobby when keeping up with them requires an adult income. The happiest, coolest car guys I know are 40, 50, 60+ years old. --lets review! >>>>>>CLIFF NOTES TO THIS THREAD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SKIP THROUGH *<<<<<<< --whatever it is it shouldnt stop you from enjoying your thing. Thats what life is all about, enjoying it. whats the point of living life if ur not happy --If you spend enough time with your g/f then she should have no problems with the fact that you have a hobby, that being said it should never go past hobby status, bills and food and stuff of that nature always come first no matter what ( sometimes that part sucks the most ) if you have some left over then enjoy the fruits of your labor. I do not spend my money wisely all the time and I have come to be ok with that, you should to. --its a hobby, an expensive hobby that is. my theory is just do as much as you can and be happy then start looking forward besides the car. --You can always come back to fixing up a car. Establish your life first then do what you love to do. --The only way this will ever stay with you is in the backseat as a hobby when you get yoru life straight and finish school or have a job career where you become an adult and still have to fix up your car while living your life. --I have seen people dump so much money into car's and abandon so much of there life just for a hobby not take them anywhere but just for that breif limelight. It's a great hobby and all dont get me wrong we all love our car's but what im saying we all just need not to lose sight of what we need to do in our lives. We need to put our lives first before our hobbies. --You CAN still be an old fart and like cars. (don't ask me how I know) The trick is, that as you mature your priorities must change while you and your situation change. You may have periods where you cut back. You may have periods where you spend more time with your cars. Everyone NEEDS a hobby. --as a 21 year old single guy college graduate who has dumped thousands of dollars into cars before i can say that it is definately worth it. why? cause it makes you happy. your car never nags you or cheats on you or leaves you or gets pissed when you get sidetracked for a while. if anyone is stupid enough to give up something they love for someone that can't understand why its ann important part of you doesn't deserve to have such a blessing to begin with. i'll have my cars and my garage and if it takes me a decade to find a chick that's totally cool with it i'm down with that. steady g/f's only eat mod money anyhow. --i also do it b/c i don't have money to buy a new car so I really need to maintain this one. if you look at it from another perspective, most enthusiasts don't spend as much on their car compared to people who buy a car brand new. a 240sx needs liability insurance only. that saves money. on top of that it doesn't have a 20k+ pricetag. even if you bought a s13 and dumped 5k into basic maintenance, repairs and a few upgrades you'd still be a good 10k+ under a new car, and you would be able to fix most problems yourself. --maybe you girl just needs to know you got it under control. I wouldn't view it as nagging or "cracking the whip". --If you are worried about it being a good investmnet then sell it you will never get the money and time back from your project, you have to do it because you love it and for no other reason -- you can also laugh at all the suckers driving 2004 cars that took a $2500 to $7000 hit the moment their front wheels left the new car dealer's parking lot -- And this is considered the reasonable thing to do!??? --if you're really worried about your future, save a little bit now. while you are a sophmore in college, get your MAJOR DOWN FIRM. and get GOOD GRADES. yes, it does matter. work is competition and every little bit that you can put over the other guy helps you land a cushy job. finally, and this is probably the most important, get internships and jobs and never stop working all through college. --If you asked me if my cars are "worth it" . i'd say: If i didnt race my cars, they would be piles of shit. I dont care about how cool it is to have a 240. It's a waste of money if it's just sitting there with all these performance mods. --i realized that the people doing it had a goal, and that was someting i didn't have. there was nothing i was trying to acheive by modding my car other than having a modded car. if you race or drift with some goal in mind (getting better, winning, whatever), it helps you focus your hobby's priorities and gives it some kind of purpose, and that makes it much more fulfilling and worth the effort.