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Old 07-19-2019, 03:34 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Corbic View Post

The left advocates intrusive Government and limitation on personal freedom for the "greater good". It also advocates siezure of personnel property - companies, factorys, farms and assets (taxes).

This results in a group of people apposing these ideas... And it's generally to the point of requiring force to make them comply.

Once the changes start to happen and the world doesn't become a Utopia, those in power find scape goats to blame so they can remain in power.

Capitalism gave us the United States, the most free, wealthiest, most prosperous, advanced, innovative and powerful country mankind has ever seen.

Marxism has give us 100 years of misery, suffering and industrialized murder greater then all previous wars and genocides from the last 5,000 years combined....

Seems pretty God damn fucking simple to see which idealolgy is the right choice.


The left believes that government needs to safeguard the rights of those who can be easily abused and to ensure that bodies of government work as best for as many members as possible, society. Lets talk about imminent domain. There are decades long lawsuits that are still in court over what is private property that would be intersected by the southern border. Is building a border wall assisting the greater good to you? Or is it big government intrusion. No government is perfect, what the democrats try to do is ensure that everyone has a voice at the table, we are all Americans.

You are correct that Utpoia is not achievable, because it is not possible, every one's idea of perfection is different. I think the main difference between the left and the right is the left wants to get involved with what it sees as a problem, those on the right a more hands off (ex. left wants to address directly climate change, right wants more evidence/wait and see?)

America is not a wholly capitalist society/economy and you and i wouldnt want one. I am no fan of Donald Trump and he would say he is a capitalist but even he (as a government official) told/took action to ground the Boeing 737max a/c until they were modified and vetted (and i dont disagree with his decision to get involved). No pure capitalism would have that happen. Capitalism would say that Boeing would repair these planes only when consumers demanded it by not flying on them. If the gov hadn't loaned the pentastar money in the 80's there would be no hellcats, no gladiators, no wranglers. If the gov hadn't lent ford money there would be no raptors, no voodoo v8s, no crown vics. It the gov hadn't lent gm money there would be no 60K c8.

At the end of the day, no one person is entirely one thing, no government should be entirely one thing. We can all agree that America is so widely admired and so sought after by others because America started with goals that the founders knew they couldn't /hadn't meet at the time, but were hopeful that future minds would and that all Americans could invest in a set of guiding principals. We didnt just end up in America, we choose to be here (generally). They knew the limitations of the technology of their time and left guidance open to interpretation as deemed by the people of that time. No one wants to change America's structure, founding principals, star spangled awesomeness; we want to make sure that people can debate and live how they want and not live in fear of medical induced bankruptcy, social marginalization or representative corruption.
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