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Old 01-13-2020, 07:57 AM   #6
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We cannot trust people in power, regardless if they're Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, etc. They're in power- which means they have more control than we do. If someone has more control than me, I'm going to make sure that they're not pulling the wool over my eyes. I'm checking to make sure the taxi driver's face matches the license.
And yet you want them to be the only ones with firearms...

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.The ship has sailed to do something and to do nothing. If we do something, we keep getting farther and farther away from being able to do nothing, especially if that something is short-sighted. If we do nothing, it opens up the possibility of Russia or China working their way into the region even further. We put ourselves squarely in a catch-22.
Welcome to being an adult. To do nothing is to do something, and it will have consequences.

We live in a global world with a global economic economy. Much of the "death to America" sentiment in the world is not driven by us, our actions or our economics but by the failings of others.

It's a wonderful rally call to bring support and power to certain individuals and excuse internal short comings and failures.


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We invaded Iraq without real evidence. We illegally crossed the borders of a sovereign nation, killed its military members (and some civilians in the crossfire), deposed its leader, and put tens of thousands of military-trained men out on the street. At no point was there an actual, factual, casus belli. We created a massive humanitarian and economic problem and had ZERO idea how to fix it. Hell, we didn't even invade Afghanistan properly- we should have immediately initiated heavy sanctions against Saudi Arabia but we let their literal sponsorship of 9/11 slide.
Shit happens. Saddam, his supporters and the international community have plenty of blame on themselves. The United States is not the only "person" with self agency. People need to step up and take responsibility.


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The people aren't the problem in Iran, and the government's law is ruled by two things: the Koran and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The intelligent people leave and the only people left are followers and those about to leave. Followers don't have much choice, given that poverty levels are high and per-capita income hasn't even hit 1988 levels again. More than 30% of the government spending is on religious foundations.
See above statements about "Death to America"
They hate us cause they ain't us.

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I'm anti-government. I find that most American outrage is self-righteous nationalism writ large rather than actual outrage,
Nonsense.

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because Iran killing gays pales in comparison to us destabilizing an entire region over the course of four decades and plunging that region into economic, religious and social chaos all due to some stinking asshole's hard-on for the Russkies.

You are missing the point and are using hyperbole instead of arguments.

Highlighting Iran's track record of humanitarian horrors is to bring light to the fact that it's not "oh they good people, America just mean".

You are crying about a long standing hate because the US supported and propped up a secular, western friendly, capitalist and liberal minded government...

Which was replaced by murderous religious zealots who also happen to be communists.

Where is the self agency on the leaders and people of the region? Why is Iran fucking with Syria, Israel, SA, Iraq and the US?

If they stopped fucking with everyone, the sanctions would end and they could prosper.

If Saddam had stopped waving his dick around after Desert Strom, stopped freaking out about Iran, he would not have gotten whacked post 9/11.

I don't see the US crying about hating the British because we where once subjects to the crown and they fucked with us in 1812 to bolster their war efforts against the French and suckered us into two world wars...

If you become economically successful, you stop caring about this petty shit.


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