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HippoSleek · 05-13-2002, 08:21 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,08:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR.

EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I refuse to be baited into the whole which "engine is better" discussion that this always flows into.  Nonetheless, I will grant that the Rex (not Rx7, not CRX) and the SR both respond well to mods.

STILL, I think that the AWD platform is inherently limited in it's motorsports utility.  Sorry Travis - but there is a reason that all sports cars are RWD.  Sorry #2 is that 60' times are useless in the a true sports car.  Any fast car has a traction problem in the short run - the WRX overcomes that w/ extra drive wheels.  In the long run, those extra wheels either 1) slow it down at speed b/c of parasitic loss or 2) cause broken trannys anytime you get above 320 hp.  

Braking - well - I don't know what kind of tires they were using or whether they had ABS... of course, SCC isn't going to test brakes to the point of fade and I doubt they account for the tires on any particular car.  At any rate, pads and fluid are a matter of personal choice, but I bet my car stops as good w/ OEM calipers as about any modified Subie.

Now all this isn't to say that Subies are crap or overrated.  Crap and over-rating are, IMHO, subjective inquiries.  One man's sports car is another man's joke.  The only thing that is for sure is that it IS ugly <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  What it is to say is that it isn't a giant killer.  Prosches aren't running for the hills.  hell, 2.5 RS's still kill them in autox.  Good car - sure.  But a revolution that none of us should live w/o - dear god I hope not.

Mark
-who is still where he has been for the last 14 hours... work...

05-13-2002, 08:21 PM	#48
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0)	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,08:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR. EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I refuse to be baited into the whole which "engine is better" discussion that this always flows into.  Nonetheless, I will grant that the Rex (not Rx7, not CRX) and the SR both respond well to mods. STILL, I think that the AWD platform is inherently limited in it's motorsports utility.  Sorry Travis - but there is a reason that all sports cars are RWD.  Sorry #2 is that 60' times are useless in the a true sports car.  Any fast car has a traction problem in the short run - the WRX overcomes that w/ extra drive wheels.  In the long run, those extra wheels either 1) slow it down at speed b/c of parasitic loss or 2) cause broken trannys anytime you get above 320 hp.   Braking - well - I don't know what kind of tires they were using or whether they had ABS... of course, SCC isn't going to test brakes to the point of fade and I doubt they account for the tires on any particular car.  At any rate, pads and fluid are a matter of personal choice, but I bet my car stops as good w/ OEM calipers as about any modified Subie. Now all this isn't to say that Subies are crap or overrated.  Crap and over-rating are, IMHO, subjective inquiries.  One man's sports car is another man's joke.  The only thing that is for sure is that it IS ugly <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  What it is to say is that it isn't a giant killer.  Prosches aren't running for the hills.  hell, 2.5 RS's still kill them in autox.  Good car - sure.  But a revolution that none of us should live w/o - dear god I hope not. Mark -who is still where he has been for the last 14 hours... work...