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Originally Posted by Corbic

At this point "Look at the Science" is just another form of a modem religious dogma.

"Look at the science" is religious, yes, by a purely semantic definition of the word.

However, it requires no belief system. I don't have to believe Fauci's right or believe some quack on Facebook's right, I just have to look at peer-reviewed studies and be careful about who funded them.

Originally Posted by Corbic

The same side shrieking about the "science" of masks and vaccines is also the same side shrieking about how men can have babies, 8 year olds should get to choose if they have a sex reassignment surgery and abortion is "my body my choice". Don't even get me started on the legalization of drugs.

The same side? What side, the left? Is science purely a leftist pursuit?

Originally Posted by Corbic

All the things I list are "scientifically" proven to save lives and improve health if we banned them. 95k people a year die from alcohol alone.

Alcohol is far worse for society than cannabis, yet cannabis is a schedule 1 drug. I'm within fifteen minutes walking distance of six places that sell alcohol and two of them are open 24/7. The nearest recreational dispensary is 21 miles away.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Then we get into the other great side effect all this Covid-Fear Mongering has done - suicides and drug use are out of this fucking world. Even more so for the under 18 segment.

So if the morality of destroying the economy and people's livelihoods is that "if we save just one grandma..." well how does that work balanced against "if we kill just one teenager to save a grandma".

Suicides and drug use.

Suicides and drug use.

When Portugal had problems with people ODing, they worked with the people. If we had the same rate of success as Portugal, our OD deaths would likely hover around 1-2k per year instead of 93k per year.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Also, let me expand you're "Anti-Vaxer" list, since you are just using the list given to you from your bubble.

1. Big Pharma has a horrific track record with releasing dangerous medications and are now releasing one without proper testing and vetting, which requires a waiver be signed.

2. Gulf War Syndrome - some of us actually remember the Pre-911 world.

3. Big-Tech and Government Censorship. The fact that every video and post is getting flagged with a propaganda link or being out right taken down just concerns people.

4. Information Mismanagement, Lies and Politicization. From the onset Covid has been poorly managed from a message standpoint. It was immediately seized upon as a political weapon - first with Nancy saying Trumps a Racist, go hug an Asian it's just the sniffles to Nancy saying lock everything down while getting her hair cut.

Yes, Big Pharma has a bad track record, made worse by its insistence on returning record profits year over year. The US is unique in its ability to make companies soulless automatons existing purely for stakeholder profits.

I remember the pre-9/11 world. You were 16 or 17, I was 15.

Any private platform has the right to censor its users. Period, full-stop. Has nothing to do with free speech or anything else. Want to talk about their domination of media? Sure, we can do that, but otherwise, they could ban you for recommending putting an RB in an S-chassis because a moderator hates heavy-ass six-cylinders in otherwise well-balanced cars.

Information mismanagement, lies, and politicization: yes, COVID was poorly managed then was weaponized by both sides. One side had a particularly anti-science tack, however, led by the Brain with the Hair.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Then we have the flip-flop of the masks, but then oh first responders need them, then they do nothing, and on and on. 2 weeks became 2 months and is now becoming 2 years. We have relief packages packed full of pork spending for transgender studies in Pakistan, we have relief checks being held until after elections, we have BLM/Antifa riots during lock-downs being "supported by science since racism is more a health risk then covid"

The flip-flop was necessary until supplies were bulked up. No one in science ever said "they do nothing." If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, it was done by a Hong Kong lab and, while affiliated with the CDC/WHO, was not performed by them. If you're not referring to that, whatever, doesn't matter, this is my last post about this subject.

Transgender studies in Pakistan? You mean the $10mm for gender programs that USAID specifically said this about: "USAID is reviewing the recently enacted FY 2021 Omnibus and will work closely with Congress to ensure education, economic, and civic participation opportunities for women and girls remains a priority development goal in Pakistan. Discussions on the shape and scope of programming are in the very early stages.

USAID has long invested in women's empowerment, in Pakistan and around the world. USAID programs work to improve women's access to economic opportunities, increase girls' access to education, improve maternal and child health, combat gender-based violence, and increase women's political and civic participation in Pakistan, which helps promote a more prosperous, stable, and inclusive society in Pakistan and furthers international peace and security."

I don't know of any scientific coverup regarding masks and riots. I know there were people who cited studies about masks and their psychological effect on people in such a setting. You could always link me to a legitimate website and I could always say, "hmm, hadn't heard that, that's some bullshit."

Originally Posted by Corbic

We've had the vaccine held up as a threat "take it or we won't open up and you can't have 4th of July with the family", we've had Vaccine bribes ($100 in New York, chances for $1 Million Lottery in Ohio, ect).

Vaccine works, vaccine kinda works, vaccine needs a 3rd booster shot, vaccine still can transmit Covid, Vaccine still needs a mask, vaccine doesn't transmit Covid, Vaccine doesn't need mask, but maybe still wear a mask indoors... but we pulled the J&J Vaccine off the market even though it's totally safe... but people died... but not that many cause it's safe...but we pulled it off the market... and the FDA say under no fucking circumstances will they speed up their approval process... but... but... stfu get the jab and wear you mask at home you soft headed racist piece of shit.

5. Legit Medical Reason - People have actual allergic reactions to vaccines and vaccines do not actually work on. People also have already had and recovered from Covid... so why would they need a vaccine?

6. Religious Reasons

7. 80% of those at Risk already have the Vaccine and 65% of the total population already has it. This more than covers what is needed for herd immunity. Vaccine is readily available - so if you choose not to get it and not to wear a mask... and die of Covid - then so fucking what. How is that any different then living off a box of Crispy Creams and a Carton of Camels every day?

If you want to come at the "right" - why not say "capitalism baby" and let insurance companies decide if they will require the vaccine if you want coverage for a Covid Hospital stay? Hmmmm

This shows a distinct and impressive inability to understand what a vaccine is, how it may work, and what purpose widespread vaccination serves.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Lastly, I do find it ironic that you called out the "Blue Lives Matter" crowd, thus imply you're on the "De-fund the Systemic Racist Pigs" crowd. The irony here being the Authoritarians wanting mask and vaccine mandates - what the police to enforce these requirements - while shrieking we need to decriminalize drugs and petty crime because police should not be engaging with minor offices and escalating situations.

Further ironic, the Authoritarians that want Vaccine Passports - "Papers Please" - to engage in normal public life are also the same people that say minorities are to fucking stupid to get a photo ID to vote.

See, the saddest thing of all is that most Western societies understand that wearing masks or social distancing or going through a lockdown or getting a vaccine is the temporary pain you endure to ensure normality comes quickly.

The only reason why authoritarian measures are being discussed is the inability of Americans to act in the best interest of their country without being coerced.

The right keeps talking about community and values, but then manages to forgo both.

As I said above, this is my last post on the subject. You think I'm brainwashed, I know you're brainwashed, etc.

And Mike, I'm not prepared for death. I have at least forty years left and I want to fucking live them.