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Originally Posted by SexPanda
ok buddy. Lets agree to disagree. I believe that Nissan is a Family oriented car company. I also believe that Porsche is a sports-car oriented car company. All the technology and racing heritage and what not behind, I stand by that. To most americans and most of the world, Nissan and Porsche are on 2 different levels.
I would never say that every BMW (or Mercedes, or Lexus, or Jaguar, etc) is a sports car, especially not my old e36. Its nice yeah, but sports car? No.
I would like to say, however, that I resent the fact you are grouping me together with the other so-called "ignorant americans" simply because of how I feel about 2 car companies. While I agree that many americans are ignorant, I'll say that is a very elitist point of view there my friend.
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I don't have a problem with agreeing to disagree. As for you taking the comment the about putting you in the same catagory as most Americans? You did that yourself my friend with the statement you made.
BMW does indeed call themselves a sports car company regardless of what you think or your opinion.
I never said Nissan and Porsche were not on two different levels. What I did say in not so many words, is Nissan is and has been one of Japans Sports car companies.
One who is responsible for putting Japanese Sports cars on the map in a major way and breaking ground with them as well. Not with one but with many. As I outlined in previous post. You posted about the GTIr and Attessa. You said nothing about Roadsters,Bluebirds(510's)early Skyline GTRs, Fairlady Z's, Gazelles(200sx in the U.S in the 80's), Silvia's,180sx's,R32 GTR's,R34GTR's The MId 4 concept in the 80's which Honda bit off of completely to make the NSX.
Regardless of where Nissan may have started, since they have been in the Japanese automobile business since the earliest days of the 20th century. Regardless of them purchasing Prince. They managed to establish themselves as a Japanese Sports car company.
Actually they were Japans premier sports car company to due to the amount of Sports cars they built.
Mazda only of recent has challenged this with the Miata and 3rd gen RX7 and the ugly RX8(which does handle well).
Still of all the Japanese car companies no other ones markets as many Sports cars as Nissan does.
That qualifies them as Sports car company as well, as their continued commitment to building ground breaking Japanese sports cars. It just so happens they don't just market Sports cars.
Look at British Leyland for an example. Though no longer in existence they manufactured, MGB,Triumph,Austin etc. everything from a gang of sports cars to economy cars and wagons and trucks.
Were they not a British Sports car company given the amount of Sports cars they actually produced? Of course they were,regardless of the other cars they produced.
Now your choice of ignoring the facts I gave and insisting on thinking Nissan is strictly a Family oriented car company also puts you in the same place with most Americans. Again this is not my doing, its yours, you said it yourself. Not I.
Oh and I am elitist because of I have the opposing opinion based on my knowledge? Not in the least, its just I have facts, to back up my claims. Thats not elitist its educated.
I am sorry if a lot of Americans have misguided opinions or knowledge. Hell don't even get me started on all the idiots that believe stupid shit like we did not land on the moon. Something I watched on TV as a kid and my father worked for one of the companies responsible for proving it happened with their Camera's(Fairchild Camera and Semiconductor).
Oh but if I call those people dumb or ignorant I am elitist by your rules.
Oh and there are dumb ass Europeans as well. But again if I say that I am elitist right?
Oh and wait you agree that most Americans are ignorant but then call it a elitist attitude, wow. I guess you are calling yourself elitist, but resent it as well. Wow you have some issues to work out there. LOL
Give it up man. Get educated and speak with knowledge. Its that simple. Its not elitist, its facts and I think the fact that you think its elitist pretty much means your taking it personally.