[jumboflan]

yes that'll do it but not always the case. You have to use top down problem solving determination. Just like computers. RAM, Problem determination. I saw a flowchart from engine electrical diagnosis epiphany right now. lol. Kids these days. I wanna Ls1 ,rawr. I want to drift! and be like my heroes. But dont' now squat about simple analog electrical. We arent talking firmware or Canbus. Reading this thread theres alot of bad troubleshooting. Yes the relays go out....why? because it's not SSR solid state relays. Look up vishay and other semiconductor website. The things can be switched on 100k times before failure. MTBF. But mechanized relays die because coils in there get struck with arc of electromagnetism.