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*ca18guy* · 03-11-2002, 04:51 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Mar. 10 2002,7:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (crazycuban @ Mar. 08 2002,4:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heh...

Kinda ironic to me...while the JDM crazy makes it trendy to get the SR, it also seems like its become the trend for a lot of people recently to trash the SR.

The point is, whether SR, CA, or KA, neither engine is better. They all have their strong and weak points. The power curve on the CA beats the shit out of the KA or SR power curve - that thing is PERFECTLY linear. The KA beats either in terms of torque, and the strength of the block. The SR beats either in that its the only one thats proven (not in the US, in the world) to be a true monster.

You can say all you want about the KA having more horsepower than the SR. I really couldn't care less. Formula 1 engine builders used 1.5 liter turbo engines to make over 1000 hp - would I put this in a street car? Never. The highest stock bodied KA car I've seen runs high 10's. The highest stock bodied SR car I've seen runs 8's. Civics with 650 hp run 9 second quarter miles. Supras with near 1000 run 9 second quarter miles.

Same goes with the KA - wow, lots of low end torque. Thats great. With that much torque, why didn't Duy get a time better than the high 10's? Hmmm...maybe that torque is useless on the street? Maybe it only causes wheelspin with that much low end torque? People talk about the KA being a much better "street" engine than the SR. But if you're talking about high power, I'd rather have an engine that will build the power to the top than one that has all of its power down low. Already when the torque hits on my SR the wheels break loose.

I didn't put in an SR because its "JDM". I didn't pay 5000 bucks to get it installed. You guys make pretty big generalizations. I installed it myself, with help from friends, of course. I paid a good deal of money, but that was because the engine I got. If I would have done a red top, I could have had 200 rwhp (and actually, only ONE KA turbo kit claims to make over 200 rwhp - the others measure in crank hp) for 3500 bucks. 2000 for the engine, 1500 for an exhaust, boost controller, and intercooler.

The SR is the engine for JDM ricers.

The KA is the engine for trendy people trying too hard to be different.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
People trashing the SR??? That's not a trend. It's just a bunch of folks that refuse to buy into the hype you bought into.

Powerband: well, the KA beats the CA and SR in power and torque normal aspirated. Then if you boost all engine at 7psi, well, guess what, the KA will still beat the CA and SR. Why? Displacement... Nothing more, nothing less. Pure physics.

highest stock bodied, non full racing SR car runs 10s... Not 8's. Jun's car is a race car. Period. Duy's former car is a stock bodied, non full racing car. It's a street car. It is stupid to compare a street car against a stockbodied race car... dumb.

As for civics and Supras running 9's with different hp, well, haven't you heard of weight??? Power to weight ratio? Guess not.

Why didn't Duy's car get better than 10's? 3,000lbs as raced with full stereo? Street car trim? stock transmission? stock head? stock cams!!!! Which part of that is hard to imagine. His engine build is very straight forward and simple with piston and rods swapped.

Highend power, easy to get with a KA. Get rid of it's narrow stock cams... Simple as that... The engine, intake manifold, and cams are all setup for midrange torque and power.

And as for: "Already when the torque hits on my SR the wheels break loose." Well, if that happens, you need to tighten down your lug nuts... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> Or get better tires... Heck, I can break the tires loose on a geo metro... Does that make the Geo powerful? No, it just means it has crappy tires...

For someone who generalizes quite a bit, you are complaing about others who are generalizing... sheesh..

As for the KA being for the trendy folks... Whatever... Its more like it's for the folks who are original and don't buy into hypes. We don't try too hard to be different. We just do it, because it makes much more sense...

As for TY's 300hp, get it straight... it's 365hp @ 6,000rpm or 318rwhp@ 6,000rpm with 329ft-lb @ 4,300rpm. All that with the following invested:
$2,800 - used stage 2 system
$200 - used ecu to replace the one from the original car
$350 - HKS Twinpower ignition unit
$100 - Magnecore wires
$365 - Nissan Motorsport cams
$600 - A'PEXi GT Spec Exhaust

As for fresh off the showroom floor, what does that have to do with the power level of the motor? Isn't all cars at one point fresh off the showroom floor??? Silly folks....

As for built KAs, there is now a handful that are 400rwhp level...

As for lower powered SR in the US, booo to those who claim there hasn't been much development time... It's like crying the grapes are sour because you couldn't reach them... Silly... By claiming that, you basically slap the SE-R folks in the face...

For years, the argument for the SR folks is how the SR has this and that from this and that in aftermarket support, and now within the past couple of months when the higher powered KA's are showing up, folks are now crying that there isn't much support for the SR... Whatever... Crybabies... Whatever happen to those folks who always says there are tons of support for the SR? There are definetly more support... It's just folks are being silly and trying to find an excuse to defend why their beloved SR can't make the "hype" horsepower...

For years the KA camp had to fight the hype of the SR. The KA was overcasted by the shadow of the SR's achievement and no one really took a look at it... Now, the KA camp is well established, and the SR folks are scrambling... Who would've thought.... too funny...

SR: Silly Ricers...
KA: Knowledgable Assholes

TonKA Truck Power!!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No offense (well actually yes take offense I don't care) but you sound like an idiot.  I don't even know were to start, first the sr20de in Japan (since thats what were comparing to) makes 160 HP n/a doe's that make it better to turbo then the KA24 now?  Strap a T25 or T28 turbo and boost it to 7 psi and see how much HP the KA24 makes then, not really fair comparing a T3/4 turbo kit to a T25 or T28 now is it? You kinda lose me with your rambling about tires and shit, but "As for fresh off the showroom floor, what does that have to do with the power level of the motor?" Have you ever bought a used car? Come on, you never know how it was treated or mantained, if he had a used clunker that was abused your telling me that would'nt factor in to wether it breaks down?  My used ca18 blew on me and it only had 77,000 miles, and I was running stock! And what the hell doe's this mean "For years the KA camp had to fight the hype of the SR. The KA was overcasted by the shadow of the SR's achievement and no one really took a look at it... Now, the KA camp is well established, and the SR folks are scrambling... Who would've thought.... too funny..." What is this some backwoods city with rival gangs fighting each other? Grow the fuck up, anything is better then stock, neither hold's anything over the other.  hell I have a stock ca18det and I'm still probably faster then 95% of this forum, cause most people don't even do anything to there cars. Oh here's a pic for you....

03-11-2002, 04:51 AM	#11
ca18guy Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clearwater FL Age: 41 Posts: 3,226 Trader Rating: (0)	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Mar. 10 2002,7:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (crazycuban @ Mar. 08 2002,4:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heh... Kinda ironic to me...while the JDM crazy makes it trendy to get the SR, it also seems like its become the trend for a lot of people recently to trash the SR. The point is, whether SR, CA, or KA, neither engine is better. They all have their strong and weak points. The power curve on the CA beats the shit out of the KA or SR power curve - that thing is PERFECTLY linear. The KA beats either in terms of torque, and the strength of the block. The SR beats either in that its the only one thats proven (not in the US, in the world) to be a true monster. You can say all you want about the KA having more horsepower than the SR. I really couldn't care less. Formula 1 engine builders used 1.5 liter turbo engines to make over 1000 hp - would I put this in a street car? Never. The highest stock bodied KA car I've seen runs high 10's. The highest stock bodied SR car I've seen runs 8's. Civics with 650 hp run 9 second quarter miles. Supras with near 1000 run 9 second quarter miles. Same goes with the KA - wow, lots of low end torque. Thats great. With that much torque, why didn't Duy get a time better than the high 10's? Hmmm...maybe that torque is useless on the street? Maybe it only causes wheelspin with that much low end torque? People talk about the KA being a much better "street" engine than the SR. But if you're talking about high power, I'd rather have an engine that will build the power to the top than one that has all of its power down low. Already when the torque hits on my SR the wheels break loose. I didn't put in an SR because its "JDM". I didn't pay 5000 bucks to get it installed. You guys make pretty big generalizations. I installed it myself, with help from friends, of course. I paid a good deal of money, but that was because the engine I got. If I would have done a red top, I could have had 200 rwhp (and actually, only ONE KA turbo kit claims to make over 200 rwhp - the others measure in crank hp) for 3500 bucks. 2000 for the engine, 1500 for an exhaust, boost controller, and intercooler. The SR is the engine for JDM ricers. The KA is the engine for trendy people trying too hard to be different.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> People trashing the SR??? That's not a trend. It's just a bunch of folks that refuse to buy into the hype you bought into. Powerband: well, the KA beats the CA and SR in power and torque normal aspirated. Then if you boost all engine at 7psi, well, guess what, the KA will still beat the CA and SR. Why? Displacement... Nothing more, nothing less. Pure physics. highest stock bodied, non full racing SR car runs 10s... Not 8's. Jun's car is a race car. Period. Duy's former car is a stock bodied, non full racing car. It's a street car. It is stupid to compare a street car against a stockbodied race car... dumb. As for civics and Supras running 9's with different hp, well, haven't you heard of weight??? Power to weight ratio? Guess not. Why didn't Duy's car get better than 10's? 3,000lbs as raced with full stereo? Street car trim? stock transmission? stock head? stock cams!!!! Which part of that is hard to imagine. His engine build is very straight forward and simple with piston and rods swapped. Highend power, easy to get with a KA. Get rid of it's narrow stock cams... Simple as that... The engine, intake manifold, and cams are all setup for midrange torque and power. And as for: "Already when the torque hits on my SR the wheels break loose." Well, if that happens, you need to tighten down your lug nuts... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Or get better tires... Heck, I can break the tires loose on a geo metro... Does that make the Geo powerful? No, it just means it has crappy tires... For someone who generalizes quite a bit, you are complaing about others who are generalizing... sheesh.. As for the KA being for the trendy folks... Whatever... Its more like it's for the folks who are original and don't buy into hypes. We don't try too hard to be different. We just do it, because it makes much more sense... As for TY's 300hp, get it straight... it's 365hp @ 6,000rpm or 318rwhp@ 6,000rpm with 329ft-lb @ 4,300rpm. All that with the following invested: $2,800 - used stage 2 system $200 - used ecu to replace the one from the original car $350 - HKS Twinpower ignition unit $100 - Magnecore wires $365 - Nissan Motorsport cams $600 - A'PEXi GT Spec Exhaust As for fresh off the showroom floor, what does that have to do with the power level of the motor? Isn't all cars at one point fresh off the showroom floor??? Silly folks.... As for built KAs, there is now a handful that are 400rwhp level... As for lower powered SR in the US, booo to those who claim there hasn't been much development time... It's like crying the grapes are sour because you couldn't reach them... Silly... By claiming that, you basically slap the SE-R folks in the face... For years, the argument for the SR folks is how the SR has this and that from this and that in aftermarket support, and now within the past couple of months when the higher powered KA's are showing up, folks are now crying that there isn't much support for the SR... Whatever... Crybabies... Whatever happen to those folks who always says there are tons of support for the SR? There are definetly more support... It's just folks are being silly and trying to find an excuse to defend why their beloved SR can't make the "hype" horsepower... For years the KA camp had to fight the hype of the SR. The KA was overcasted by the shadow of the SR's achievement and no one really took a look at it... Now, the KA camp is well established, and the SR folks are scrambling... Who would've thought.... too funny... SR: Silly Ricers... KA: Knowledgable Assholes TonKA Truck Power!!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> No offense (well actually yes take offense I don't care) but you sound like an idiot.  I don't even know were to start, first the sr20de in Japan (since thats what were comparing to) makes 160 HP n/a doe's that make it better to turbo then the KA24 now?  Strap a T25 or T28 turbo and boost it to 7 psi and see how much HP the KA24 makes then, not really fair comparing a T3/4 turbo kit to a T25 or T28 now is it? You kinda lose me with your rambling about tires and shit, but "As for fresh off the showroom floor, what does that have to do with the power level of the motor?" Have you ever bought a used car? Come on, you never know how it was treated or mantained, if he had a used clunker that was abused your telling me that would'nt factor in to wether it breaks down?  My used ca18 blew on me and it only had 77,000 miles, and I was running stock! And what the hell doe's this mean "For years the KA camp had to fight the hype of the SR. The KA was overcasted by the shadow of the SR's achievement and no one really took a look at it... Now, the KA camp is well established, and the SR folks are scrambling... Who would've thought.... too funny..." What is this some backwoods city with rival gangs fighting each other? Grow the fuck up, anything is better then stock, neither hold's anything over the other.  hell I have a stock ca18det and I'm still probably faster then 95% of this forum, cause most people don't even do anything to there cars. Oh here's a pic for you....