OBD-II Emissions in Maryland on SR20DET

[Ess14]

So now comes that time when I have to get my SR emissions tested. I live in Maryland now and it's a '96 S14 so I will have to pass the OBD-II test. I am fully aware that the SR doesn't have this connection, so I'm pretty much SOL. I was wondering if there are any experiences preferably from MD where they let you run the sniffer instead of just failing you right away, or anything similar.

Trust me I've been searching all over, and found several pretty sound threads saying that there is no way to get it to pass and that you can't rig the ECU to a diagnostics connector or anything of the sort. The threads were reasonably old and I'm wondering if anyone has any new information that says otherwise.

PM me if you'd like, or strike up a discussion. I know theres not too many MDers on here, but any input is appreciated.

[emersonLP]

Bribe the emissions guy. Or get an address in an area that doesn't require emissions. You can get a "street address" in a UPS store I think.

[S14klares]

get an addy in st.marys county md .. no emissions.. or hide the connector under the dash .. slam your car and roll up if you go to some off the road counties place u might get lucky

[g6civcx]

PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MARYLAND AND FEDERAL EMISSIONS NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM POSTING.

Originally Posted by emersonLP

Bribe the emissions guy

This may be illegal under local, state, and federal law. Please do not mention this again.

Originally Posted by emersonLP

Or get an address in an area that doesn't require emissions.

Originally Posted by S14klares

get an addy in st.marys county md .. no emissions..

You have to move out of Maryland. Even then you may still be violating federal emissions laws.

Originally Posted by emersonLP

You can get a "street address" in a UPS store I think.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I don't think it's good.

Originally Posted by S14klares

hide the connector under the dash

Immediate fail.

Originally Posted by S14klares

slam your car and roll up if you go to some off the road counties place u might get lucky

Irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Ess14

I was wondering if there are any experiences preferably from MD where they let you run the sniffer instead of just failing you right away, or anything similar.

No, OBD-II scanning is mandatory for 96+ cars.

Technically your swap is illegal under federal law. So no matter where you go in the US, your car is illegal.

Vehicle Emissions Inspection Program

Your only option is to get a repair waiver:

VEIP Waiver Information

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by emersonLP

Bribe the emissions guy.

MD's emissions centers are run by the state. Good Luck bribing someone who is being paid comfortably and probably has state investigators having bribe stings all the time. It's also probably illegal to bribe a state worker.

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by S14DB

MD's emissions centers are run by the state. Good Luck bribing someone who is being paid comfortably and probably has state investigators having bribe stings all the time. It's also probably illegal to bribe a state worker.

Correct.

Also, MD state inspection involves a visual inspection as part of the state inspection required of all vehicles.

Straight from the inspection form:

EMISSIONS
* Catalytic Converter
* Fuel Filler
* Positive Crankcase
* Air Injection
* Gas Recirculation
* Evaporative Emissions

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by g6civcx

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Irrelevant.

not necessarily irrelevant, but i live in maryland and i haven't had an emissions test in 6 years because i keep getting 2 year extensions. i do not own a 240sx , but i do own a 1995 integra . Whenever i get the letter go to emissions i roll up to the place, line up, guy asks me "what year is ur integra", "1995" i say. he says "u are way to low, go around front to get an extension".... i walk in the door and they verify the extension. stamp it. i go home.

visually speaking i could have owned a 2001 integra and said 1995, (in reality it IS a 95').

this isn't garenteed to work or anything, but u could* try ur luck.

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by nathanong87

not necessarily irrelevant, but i live in maryland and i haven't had an emissions test in 6 years because i keep getting 2 year extensions. i do not own a 240sx , but i do own a 1995 integra . Whenever i get the letter go to emissions i roll up to the place, line up, guy asks me "what year is ur integra", "1995" i say. he says "u are way to low, go around front to get an extension".... i walk in the door and they verify the extension. stamp it. i go home.

visually speaking i could have owned a 2001 integra and said 1995, (in reality it IS a 95').

this isn't garenteed to work or anything, but u could* try ur luck.

Do you want to add defrauding a state official to your list of charges?

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by g6civcx

Do you want to add defrauding a state official to your list of charges?

what list of charges do i currently have again? he could say it's a 1992 civic for all i care. i'm just sharing my personal experience. no bribes. no lies. i simply drove my car to emissions and told them what they asked of me.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by nathanong87

what list of charges do i currently have again? he could say it's a 1992 civic for all i care. i'm just sharing my personal experience. no bribes. no lies. i simply drove my car to emissions and told them what they asked of me.

They could hit you for not legal road height if you can't get on the rollers. You are just lucky. He probably wanted to know if it was OBDII or not. He would have probably did a scan only if it was newer. Doesn't matter what you say at the end of the day. The car information is already in the computer when they type in your or the cars info.

OBDII in MD they plug the OBDII port into the computer verify the vehicle information and the emissions states for all the controls. Then you can get randomly selected for a roller test. I don't know anyone that has gotten to do the rollers post 1996(most of the time they don't pop the hood). If you don't have a OBDII port on a post 1996 vehicle you are basically fucked in the long term. You can't complete the test to fail it.

Pre-OBDII they are mainly concerned with the the results of the sniffer. It's much easier to pass with grey area parts and swaps. Most of techs don't know what to look for don't care cause they are doing so many in a day. As long as it blows clean they roll it off and go to the next one.

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by S14DB

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agreed....

[S14klares]

i get two year extensions on all of my cars,, and friends cars.. just slame em and go there they will take u inside and sign you and extension. this will never come back on you, they never check, cops dont car, md has lax laws on cars etc.. just like ive never had a cat on any of my cars for 8 years now and all of them have passed emissions inspection and vehicular insp. p.s. tho if you have an sr that you need to put on the rollers, ive passed an sr on a roller in md, w/ no cat a huge exhaust w/ mad exahust leaks etc.. my tune was spot on etc.. no charc can etc. stop posting if you dont know.. ive lived in md for 22 years and have been putting 240sx's swapped etc through emissionsf or 8. a few tips on locations that are lax, glen burnie and prince frederick.

[murda-c]

Originally Posted by S14klares

i get two year extensions on all of my cars,, and friends cars.. just slame em and go there they will take u inside and sign you and extension. this will never come back on you, they never check, cops dont car, md has lax laws on cars etc.. just like ive never had a cat on any of my cars for 8 years now and all of them have passed emissions inspection and vehicular insp. p.s. tho if you have an sr that you need to put on the rollers, ive passed an sr on a roller in md, w/ no cat a huge exhaust w/ mad exahust leaks etc.. my tune was spot on etc.. no charc can etc. stop posting if you dont know.. ive lived in md for 22 years and have been putting 240sx's swapped etc through emissionsf or 8. a few tips on locations that are lax, glen burnie and prince frederick.

but does that work for obd2?

i don't see why it would

[Ess14]

Appreciate it everyone,
Klares, i second murda's question.

Do not bash me for being illegal, as an SR alone is illegal, but after reading everyone's post I'm thinking of slamming and telling them I'm a 95. I IMAGINE theyll check my info inside, and they can call me out on being wrong, but I'm sure people do say the wrong year on accident anyways, I don't think theyd slit my throat for that. What I am wondering is, DO THEY actually check. I know it's different location to location even day to day, but Klares and anyone that has tried this, what are your thoughts.

I was also looking up "getting an address at a PO box out of state"... The MVA website says you must come in to set that up, and given the new MVA strict license laws I imagine they'll want some proof (that I don't have) for Needing that P.O. box registration, thus that's out of the picture.

Thanks for the feedback

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

Originally Posted by S14klares

md has lax laws on cars

one of my good friends is from maryland. his old e30 got failed because he didn't have a sticker denoting the shift pattern. very lax indeed.

[S14klares]

what could he have failed on that for.. no factory 240sx has that, and most of the stock shift knobs dont have that. if they pull that you tell them no, they will listen cuz money talks. And the year is printed on the slip they mail you that you have to hand to them, but they dont check vin's etc.. FACT: last year i had a vert that needed emissions, i took my diff color coupe that is a 89 and slammed.. rolled up w/ diff tags etc.. they signed it off. so yes they are lax. no vin check, not the same color not the same tag number all on the slip etc. this isnt cali ppl. if your so worried, find a friend w/ a stock 96 or higher that will pass. . give them 20 bucks in gas money to drive over there w/ ur slip. done that too.

[S14klares]

it doesnt hurt to try first w/ ur car, they cant write you a ticket for lying to them or messing w/ stuff. its only 14 dollars to try. some places dont even collect the money till after the test.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by murda-c

but does that work for obd2?

i don't see why it would

I won't they will say unable to preform test. Automatic re-test. Come back when you have a functioning OBDII port in the factory location. It shows them on the computer where it should be if they can't find it.

The E30 falls under "The vehicle cannot be tested if the shift indicator is not properly aligned or the driver's door is not operational." clause.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

Buy an 89 and register it historic.

I want to get my hands on this cleanest 2-tone ive ever seen, and not have tro worry about emissions or any crap like that.

I realize thats not too much help in your situation but Ive had friends roll up there slammed and not been able to get on the rollers so they gave them extensions, so that has worked in the past.

[murda-c]

I might just put the small tires on my obd2 s14, slam it, and go up there next week since my emissions is due next month, if it doesn't work i still have a few weeks to put my stock manifold and o2 sensor back on

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by Taniguchi_Is_#1

very lax indeed.

u haven't proved otherwise.

[S14klares]

so today i had to get my friends emissions done.. went to the pf emissions station. rolled up the guy stopped me said to go inside, went inside they said cars too low. two year extension, printed out my slip. didnt have to pay a cent in and out w/o waiting in line. they didnt even look over my car. i bet u could roll up in a 96 and do the same. its a joke.

[Ess14]

Klares thanks a lot for the feedback, which station is 'pf' referring to? PM if youd like.

[snowmansent2hel]

I dont think this is going to help you a whole lot with the problem with your issue Ess14 but when I took my 97 up to the tester in Westminster I know for a fact that they didn't do the visual aspect, just the sniffer and the OBDII plug-in, so I wouldn't go there without an OBDII engine