how do you take off a lug nut lock without its key?? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

sepulchral · 01-26-2006, 08:54 PM

friend just bought a car, the seller did not include the lug nut-lock key

how can he have them removed?

kuramaya · 01-26-2006, 09:04 PM

Tap and Dye Set, Drill, new bolt will be needed

180InProgress · 01-26-2006, 09:07 PM

If you know what company makes the wheel lock you can buy a new set of wheel locks from that company and it'll come with a key. Do you have a pic of the wheel lock(s)?

Ritz S14 · 01-26-2006, 09:08 PM

McGuards types? Just take it to a tire shop(BIG O TIRES) to have them removed.

Most other types of "tuner" locks can be removed with a 17mm 6pt socket.

g6civcx · 01-26-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 180InProgress

If you know what company makes the wheel lock you can buy a new set of wheel locks from that company and it'll come with a key. Do you have a pic of the wheel lock(s)?

May not work for all companies. Some of them make unique wheel locks with a serial number.

ranisron · 01-26-2006, 10:04 PM

^^ correct...

my friend busted (snapped) my wheel lock so I am fucked.

I have heard from mechanics that they just hit it hard with a 6pt socket

Vatche · 01-26-2006, 10:07 PM

if u take it to the tire shops, they usually have the keys for most of the locks......if it is like the ones i bought from H&W motorsports u can take them off using a 1/2 inch extension....square fits into their star pattern....or u can research just buying the key.

never use a gun on a lock nut btw....to tighten it will fuck your stud and your lock nut up

**mrmephistopheles** · 01-26-2006, 10:11 PM

air chisel

Irukandji · 01-26-2006, 10:21 PM

i used an air chisel to crack the lug nut, then took off all the other lug nuts, and tugged the shit out of the wheel until it came off with the lug nut. I was planning to buy the new wheel stud anyway, so I just replaced it afterwards.

calebxmartyr · 01-28-2006, 05:01 PM

my wheels came with gorilla lugs and both of the key's busted (thin shitty keys) i called the company and told them and they sent me 2 for free.

KA24DESOneThree · 01-28-2006, 06:34 PM

I've had Gorilla lugs for a year and I've probably torqued and de-torqued the wheels 50 times with no problems.

If you really want shitty, get Kyokugen.

HATchTRICK · 01-28-2006, 10:14 PM

snap-on, mac, matco or one of them delivery truck tool guys can sell you a a universal tool kit to remove them wheel locks.

breakindrifts · 01-28-2006, 10:34 PM

Yeah at my pepboys they have wheel lock removers.

**Phlip** · 01-28-2006, 10:44 PM

If all else fails, as has been mentioned, take them to a wheel shop and have them removed or otherwise broken off, approach it expecting to replace some studs

*NemeGuero* · 01-28-2006, 10:55 PM

Use a screw driver and a mallet. Hit the lock at a downward angle. The metal of the lug nut is soft enough that the screw driver will make a seating groove in it.

Just keep hammering until it comes off.

nrg · 01-28-2006, 11:12 PM

I think everyone is giving wrong information. You don't want to break the lug nuts. If so, you can damge the wheel and have to replace the studs. Just more work. Here's a theives' secret. Just find a socket (w/ 1/2 drive) that is alittle smaller than the lug locks. Now hammer that socket on top of it and get out a 1/2 breaker bar. Works every time.

aznpoopy · 01-28-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nrg

I think everyone is giving wrong information. You don't want to break the lug nuts. If so, you can damge the wheel and have to replace the studs. Just more work. Here's a theives' secret. Just find a socket (w/ 1/2 drive) that is alittle smaller than the lug locks. Now hammer that socket on top of it and get out a 1/2 breaker bar. Works every time.

you beat me to it...

another solution is to you can take it to a shop and have them weld an expendable socket or extension onto the nut.

*NemeGuero* · 01-29-2006, 12:54 AM

My solution is NOT wrong information. I've removed many a stripped nut/bolt/stud with that method.

andrewmp6 · 01-29-2006, 05:20 AM

buy a remover kit or any good tire shop should be able to take them off for you

codyace · 01-29-2006, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HATchTRICK

snap-on, mac, matco or one of them delivery truck tool guys can sell you a a universal tool kit to remove them wheel locks.

Perfect Advice, and work everytime.

They are made out of hardened steel (like impact sockets) and are no larger than a normal socket. They have a 'rifled' inside that grips/digs into the lugnut when you hammer them over. When you remove, the rifeling is designed to grip even more. The kit has almost any size you will need...

Here is a link to the Matco one: 3rd item down

http://www.matcotools.com/Catalog/to...&page=2&#37110

ALSO:

Here is the entire wheel lock removal kit form Matco. It's the first item on the page
http://www.matcotools.com/Catalog/to...&page=3&#42894

nrg · 01-29-2006, 01:54 PM

um.. you guys are going overboard. i'm sure he just needed a quick solution without damaging the wheels or replacing the stud. Spending hundreds on a socket set is a waste of time.

BlackSilEighty · 01-29-2006, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nrg

I think everyone is giving wrong information. You don't want to break the lug nuts. If so, you can damge the wheel and have to replace the studs. Just more work. Here's a theives' secret. Just find a socket (w/ 1/2 drive) that is alittle smaller than the lug locks. Now hammer that socket on top of it and get out a 1/2 breaker bar. Works every time.

Yeah, but what if the keyed out section is on the inside of the lug nut? Just go to PepBoys or something and have them look it over. They will probably sell that lug nut. I broke 2 keys and that's exactly why I sold those wheels and bought wheels that fit a standard acorn nut.

ledzeppelin240 · 01-29-2006, 11:16 PM

Yeah I have always used a Mac Tools set which is just like the Matco set. Takes about the same time as if you had the key for the lug nut. No damaged stud or wheel and now all you do is buy a lug nut.

***FaLKoN240*** · 01-30-2006, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nrg

I think everyone is giving wrong information. You don't want to break the lug nuts. If so, you can damge the wheel and have to replace the studs. Just more work. Here's a theives' secret. Just find a socket (w/ 1/2 drive) that is alittle smaller than the lug locks. Now hammer that socket on top of it and get out a 1/2 breaker bar. Works every time.

That's how I get down when I need to remove wheel locks.

Buy a 22 and break them locks YO!

!Zar! · 01-30-2006, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PHLIP

If all else fails, as has been mentioned, take them to a wheel shop and have them removed or otherwise broken off, approach it expecting to replace some studs

Just make sure to have a resputable shop do that. psychoblue23 (James) Had the same problem with his miata. And the idiots at the shop tried to torch the nut off. Nuff said that they melted the rim and made a huge mess.

blu808 · 01-30-2006, 03:04 AM

Usually if you take a deep socket that is smaller diameter, and beat it onto the lug it will work.

About the gorrilla wheel locks. They only break because side load is being applied to the socket. They can only handle twisting force, not side force.

2iv0 sx · 02-02-2006, 01:41 PM

are those Muteki lugs any good? where can i get the Gorilla lugnuts from?

Wei240 · 02-02-2006, 02:21 PM

sounds like a bunch of thieves sharing trade secrets,.. haha

i bought my gorilla lug nut set from pep boys quite a while back, not sure if they carry it anymore...

yeah, and i never track w/ wheel locks either in case something bad happens, don't want to be stuck somewhere far away...

01-26-2006, 08:54 PM	#1
sepulchral BANNED Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Midlothian. VA Posts: 2,050 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how do you take off a lug nut lock without its key?? friend just bought a car, the seller did not include the lug nut-lock key how can he have them removed?

01-26-2006, 09:04 PM	#2
kuramaya Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 沖縄 , Japan Age: 52 Posts: 1,677 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kuramaya Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Tap and Dye Set, Drill, new bolt will be needed __________________ ZEROYON WEBSITE IS HOMO NEW SITE: blacklinux.com/innersanctum/index.php

01-26-2006, 10:04 PM	#6
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 43 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^ correct... my friend busted (snapped) my wheel lock so I am fucked. I have heard from mechanics that they just hit it hard with a 6pt socket __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

01-28-2006, 10:34 PM	#13
breakindrifts Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Agoura Hills, CA Age: 36 Posts: 1,006 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah at my pepboys they have wheel lock removers. __________________ [

01-28-2006, 10:44 PM	#14
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	If all else fails, as has been mentioned, take them to a wheel shop and have them removed or otherwise broken off, approach it expecting to replace some studs __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

01-26-2006, 09:07 PM	#3
180InProgress Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 80 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you know what company makes the wheel lock you can buy a new set of wheel locks from that company and it'll come with a key. Do you have a pic of the wheel lock(s)?

01-26-2006, 09:08 PM	#4
Ritz S14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: C A L I F O R N I A Age: 43 Posts: 3,586 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	McGuards types? Just take it to a tire shop(BIG O TIRES) to have them removed. Most other types of "tuner" locks can be removed with a 17mm 6pt socket.

01-26-2006, 10:21 PM	#9
Irukandji Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Compton Posts: 4,268 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i used an air chisel to crack the lug nut, then took off all the other lug nuts, and tugged the shit out of the wheel until it came off with the lug nut. I was planning to buy the new wheel stud anyway, so I just replaced it afterwards.

01-28-2006, 05:01 PM	#10
calebxmartyr Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: high point/greensboro, nc Age: 39 Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my wheels came with gorilla lugs and both of the key's busted (thin shitty keys) i called the company and told them and they sent me 2 for free.

01-28-2006, 06:34 PM	#11
KA24DESOneThree Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 39 Posts: 2,564 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I've had Gorilla lugs for a year and I've probably torqued and de-torqued the wheels 50 times with no problems. If you really want shitty, get Kyokugen.

01-28-2006, 10:14 PM	#12
HATchTRICK Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 218 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	snap-on, mac, matco or one of them delivery truck tool guys can sell you a a universal tool kit to remove them wheel locks.

01-28-2006, 10:55 PM	#15
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Use a screw driver and a mallet. Hit the lock at a downward angle. The metal of the lug nut is soft enough that the screw driver will make a seating groove in it. Just keep hammering until it comes off. __________________

01-28-2006, 11:12 PM	#16
nrg Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CA Age: 40 Posts: 1,571 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I think everyone is giving wrong information. You don't want to break the lug nuts. If so, you can damge the wheel and have to replace the studs. Just more work. Here's a theives' secret. Just find a socket (w/ 1/2 drive) that is alittle smaller than the lug locks. Now hammer that socket on top of it and get out a 1/2 breaker bar. Works every time. __________________ driftingisgay.com

01-29-2006, 12:54 AM	#18
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	My solution is NOT wrong information. I've removed many a stripped nut/bolt/stud with that method. __________________

01-29-2006, 05:20 AM	#19
andrewmp6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: kentucky Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	buy a remover kit or any good tire shop should be able to take them off for you

01-29-2006, 01:54 PM	#21
nrg Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: CA Age: 40 Posts: 1,571 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	um.. you guys are going overboard. i'm sure he just needed a quick solution without damaging the wheels or replacing the stud. Spending hundreds on a socket set is a waste of time. __________________ driftingisgay.com

01-29-2006, 11:16 PM	#23
ledzeppelin240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sinse Posts: 688 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah I have always used a Mac Tools set which is just like the Matco set. Takes about the same time as if you had the key for the lug nut. No damaged stud or wheel and now all you do is buy a lug nut. __________________ Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power. Looking for: JDM S13 OEM Sideskirts

01-30-2006, 03:04 AM	#26
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Campbell, Ca Age: 42 Posts: 5,010 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Usually if you take a deep socket that is smaller diameter, and beat it onto the lug it will work. About the gorrilla wheel locks. They only break because side load is being applied to the socket. They can only handle twisting force, not side force. __________________

02-02-2006, 01:41 PM	#27
2iv0 sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lng Bch Calfna Posts: 1,442 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	are those Muteki lugs any good? where can i get the Gorilla lugnuts from?

02-02-2006, 02:21 PM	#28
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sounds like a bunch of thieves sharing trade secrets,.. haha i bought my gorilla lug nut set from pep boys quite a while back, not sure if they carry it anymore... yeah, and i never track w/ wheel locks either in case something bad happens, don't want to be stuck somewhere far away...