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onehalfasia · 03-06-2006, 01:58 PM

Hello. I just got done taking the upper right timing chain guide off. I didnt see a top one so it must have been removed. Put everything back together. When i turn the key it cranks, or turns over...not sure whats its called, usually its like uh uh uh uh start...but now its like uuuuuuh uuuuuuuuh weird sound, sounds like its struggling to turn over, and the power kinda dies for a second and it doesnt start. It turns over all slow and ghetto. Does this sound like anything you've experienced? Please help. I dont know what could be wrong.

Just went back outside, this time it was like...eh eh eh eh eh waaayyyooou. Thats more the sound. It make a kind of rewind type sound insted of a engine starting woooooom.

Messed with the distributer, didnt help. I'll try to discribe it better. Its like eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eeewwwwwww, and it stops till i stop turning the key. Then it i'll do it again, eh eh eh eh eh ewwwwwww, and the lights dim when it stops. It just doesnt spark or something?

I went back outside, and its like ewwwwwww, then i stoped and there was a buzzing from the engine bay for a while.

John

Thank you

John M.

DJPimpFlex · 03-06-2006, 02:14 PM

WTF????!?! I'm SO confued by your post. Did you do the lower guide? If you did you might have put the distributor back in wrong.

Pank · 03-06-2006, 02:15 PM

i have no idea why you'd pull the distributor to get to the upper timing chain guide, at all

onehalfasia · 03-06-2006, 02:22 PM

Sorry for the confusion. I thought there was two guides on the upper chain, the one on top...and the one thats kinda in the middle right where the top chain is going down. So its like the lower top chain guide. You have to take the Chain cover thing(fatty in the front of engine with liquid gasket), and distributer out to get to it. But i didnt mess with anything on the lower timing chain. So you think the distrubuter could be wrong. I'll go mess with it. I just put it in. It bolted up though? Any thoughts will help. Thank you.

John

onehalfasia · 03-06-2006, 03:00 PM

Took the distrubuter out, put it in, messed around, still cant seem to think of any problems. Everything seems to be back to same, minus the lower chain guide.

John

projectRDM · 03-06-2006, 03:29 PM

If you took the distributor out (I can't tell from your sloppy, misworded writing), then the timing is off. Reset it.

aznpoopy · 03-06-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by onehalfasia

Sorry for the confusion. I thought there was two guides on the upper chain, the one on top...and the one thats kinda in the middle right where the top chain is going down. So its like the lower top chain guide. You have to take the Chain cover thing(fatty in the front of engine with liquid gasket), and distributer out to get to it. But i didnt mess with anything on the lower timing chain. So you think the distrubuter could be wrong. I'll go mess with it. I just put it in. It bolted up though? Any thoughts will help. Thank you.

John

that's your problem. the distributor has to go back in exactly the way it came out, or else your timing will be off.

the distributor controls spark timing. you could spin that little rotor six ways to sunday, and of course the distributor will bolt right up. but your spark timing will be so fucked up the car will not start.

you need to reset your timing. consult the FSM. www.zeroyon.com

in a nutshell, set cylinder #1 piston to top dead center and set the ignition system to fire on cylinder #1.

onehalfasia · 03-06-2006, 03:47 PM

Well, i'm pretty sure its the timing then. I didnt note where it was when i removed it. Its probably pretty f'ed. Thanks for the info though, I appreciate it.

John

NIK90s13 · 03-06-2006, 07:20 PM

in the interests of not typing this procedure out over and over again, i'm just going to type it out now and link people to this response anytime this question comes up in the future.

how to reset timing, the aznpoopy way.

1. remove spark plug #1. stick something long and thin into the cylinder, so that it rests on the piston.
2. distributor out
3. put a breaker bar + socket on the main crank pulley bolt. spin the engine. it's supposed to spin clockwise, iirc.
4. this is your crank pulley and the timing marks on that pulley, circled in green. (to borrow from 240sx.org)

5. tdc is the 2nd mark from the left

6. turn the engine until the pin lines up with that mark. as you turned the engine, whatever you stuck in cylinder #1 should be going up and down. it should be at the top of an 'up stroke.' if its not, you are at tdc for another cylinder. spin it again until you have tdc on the crank pulley, and cylinder #1 is at the top. that is TDC for cylinder #1.
7. take whatever you put in cylinder #1 out and put the spark plug back in.
8. now it's time to align the distributor. look for the marks at the base of the distributor. align it as shown.

9. put it in. do NOT torque down the adjusting bolts.
10. put the cap on and connect all your wires. plug the battery in, etc. make sure the spark plug wires are on the correct plugs on the distributor cap.
11. have a buddy crank the car. you now get to turn the distributor. most likely it will not start on the first turn. you want to turn it gently left and right until the car starts to sputter and catch. it should 'want' to start more as you turn it more towards the proper position. if it starts, good. skip the next step.
12. if you are here, that means it's not starting. it wants to start more as you turn the distributor more one way. but you ran out of adjustment room! this means you are are tooth or two off. if you ran out of room turning the distributor right, you need to take out the distributor, rotate it over one tooth to the left, and reinstall. try again. likewise, if you ran out of room turning the distributor left, you need to take out the distributor, rotate it over onen tooth to the right, and reinstall. continue until the car starts.
13. yay, the car started. if it starts and dies, and you don't have enough adjustment room to get it to idle on its own, you are one tooth off. do the procedure in 12. if it starts and idles, go to 14.
14. now break out the timing light. disconect the throttle position sensor and wait for the idle to level out. now set the car to 20 degree BDTC using the timing gun.
15. your car is done. congratulations. drink a beer. after typing all that shit out, i might just drink one myself.

I robbed this off another thread on tech talk, it will set you right!!! good luck!

NIK90s13 · 03-06-2006, 07:24 PM

''My timings Fucked...where do i begin? ''
Is the name of the thread, check it out, it has photos that are great, good luck!!!

03-06-2006, 02:14 PM	#2
DJPimpFlex Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Age: 39 Posts: 6,158 Trader Rating: (115) Rides Gallery: DJPimpFlex Feedback Score: 115 reviews	WTF????!?! I'm SO confued by your post. Did you do the lower guide? If you did you might have put the distributor back in wrong. __________________

03-06-2006, 02:15 PM	#3
Pank Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 42 Posts: 3,627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have no idea why you'd pull the distributor to get to the upper timing chain guide, at all __________________ high performance driveway photography zenki s14---v8 fc rx7 my crappy flickr page (drift cars whoo)

03-06-2006, 01:58 PM	#1
onehalfasia Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SPOKANE Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Removed chain guide. Car wont start. Hello. I just got done taking the upper right timing chain guide off. I didnt see a top one so it must have been removed. Put everything back together. When i turn the key it cranks, or turns over...not sure whats its called, usually its like uh uh uh uh start...but now its like uuuuuuh uuuuuuuuh weird sound, sounds like its struggling to turn over, and the power kinda dies for a second and it doesnt start. It turns over all slow and ghetto. Does this sound like anything you've experienced? Please help. I dont know what could be wrong. Just went back outside, this time it was like...eh eh eh eh eh waaayyyooou. Thats more the sound. It make a kind of rewind type sound insted of a engine starting woooooom. Messed with the distributer, didnt help. I'll try to discribe it better. Its like eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eeewwwwwww, and it stops till i stop turning the key. Then it i'll do it again, eh eh eh eh eh ewwwwwww, and the lights dim when it stops. It just doesnt spark or something? I went back outside, and its like ewwwwwww, then i stoped and there was a buzzing from the engine bay for a while. John Thank you John M. Last edited by onehalfasia; 03-06-2006 at 03:27 PM..

03-06-2006, 02:22 PM	#4
onehalfasia Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SPOKANE Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry for the confusion. I thought there was two guides on the upper chain, the one on top...and the one thats kinda in the middle right where the top chain is going down. So its like the lower top chain guide. You have to take the Chain cover thing(fatty in the front of engine with liquid gasket), and distributer out to get to it. But i didnt mess with anything on the lower timing chain. So you think the distrubuter could be wrong. I'll go mess with it. I just put it in. It bolted up though? Any thoughts will help. Thank you. John

03-06-2006, 03:00 PM	#5
onehalfasia Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SPOKANE Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Took the distrubuter out, put it in, messed around, still cant seem to think of any problems. Everything seems to be back to same, minus the lower chain guide. John

03-06-2006, 03:29 PM	#6
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	If you took the distributor out (I can't tell from your sloppy, misworded writing), then the timing is off. Reset it.

03-06-2006, 03:47 PM	#8
onehalfasia Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SPOKANE Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, i'm pretty sure its the timing then. I didnt note where it was when i removed it. Its probably pretty f'ed. Thanks for the info though, I appreciate it. John

03-06-2006, 07:20 PM	#9
NIK90s13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: texas Age: 58 Posts: 471 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	in the interests of not typing this procedure out over and over again, i'm just going to type it out now and link people to this response anytime this question comes up in the future. how to reset timing, the aznpoopy way. 1. remove spark plug #1. stick something long and thin into the cylinder, so that it rests on the piston. 2. distributor out 3. put a breaker bar + socket on the main crank pulley bolt. spin the engine. it's supposed to spin clockwise, iirc. 4. this is your crank pulley and the timing marks on that pulley, circled in green. (to borrow from 240sx.org) 5. tdc is the 2nd mark from the left 6. turn the engine until the pin lines up with that mark. as you turned the engine, whatever you stuck in cylinder #1 should be going up and down. it should be at the top of an 'up stroke.' if its not, you are at tdc for another cylinder. spin it again until you have tdc on the crank pulley, and cylinder #1 is at the top. that is TDC for cylinder #1. 7. take whatever you put in cylinder #1 out and put the spark plug back in. 8. now it's time to align the distributor. look for the marks at the base of the distributor. align it as shown. 9. put it in. do NOT torque down the adjusting bolts. 10. put the cap on and connect all your wires. plug the battery in, etc. make sure the spark plug wires are on the correct plugs on the distributor cap. 11. have a buddy crank the car. you now get to turn the distributor. most likely it will not start on the first turn. you want to turn it gently left and right until the car starts to sputter and catch. it should 'want' to start more as you turn it more towards the proper position. if it starts, good. skip the next step. 12. if you are here, that means it's not starting. it wants to start more as you turn the distributor more one way. but you ran out of adjustment room! this means you are are tooth or two off. if you ran out of room turning the distributor right, you need to take out the distributor, rotate it over one tooth to the left, and reinstall. try again. likewise, if you ran out of room turning the distributor left, you need to take out the distributor, rotate it over onen tooth to the right, and reinstall. continue until the car starts. 13. yay, the car started. if it starts and dies, and you don't have enough adjustment room to get it to idle on its own, you are one tooth off. do the procedure in 12. if it starts and idles, go to 14. 14. now break out the timing light. disconect the throttle position sensor and wait for the idle to level out. now set the car to 20 degree BDTC using the timing gun. 15. your car is done. congratulations. drink a beer. after typing all that shit out, i might just drink one myself. I robbed this off another thread on tech talk, it will set you right!!! good luck!

03-06-2006, 07:24 PM	#10
NIK90s13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: texas Age: 58 Posts: 471 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	''My timings Fucked...where do i begin? '' Is the name of the thread, check it out, it has photos that are great, good luck!!!