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Boostforlife · 01-01-2003, 02:04 AM

I have a s13 coupe, and I want to do a vg30dett swap< nissan 300 z twin turbo 3.o> does anyone know any information relating to this swap, please help if anyone does

whether motor bolts up
whether motor mounts are same
whether drive shaft bolts up
whether wiring is compadible or not
wether there is body modifications or not
whether gauge cluster is compadible or not
anything will help at this point

any advice or info
thanks a lot
ben
fl

*ca18guy* · 01-01-2003, 03:25 AM

Its been done before. Its been said that you need a new custom hood to make it fit. The 300zx motor mounts need to be customized also and also a custom driveshaft. I couldn't find any info on wiring. It kinda sounds like a money pit waiting to happen.

gschroeder78 · 01-01-2003, 05:10 AM

I definetly wouldn't recommend it. Like CA18GUY said there is alot of stuff that needs to be changed and it wouldn't be worth it in the end. I'm replacing the engine in my 300zx and I can tell you even when it belongs in the car it barely fits. Of course if you have your heart set on it go for it.

Boostforlife · 01-01-2003, 11:19 AM

thanks for advice, anything is helpful at this point, I am just tired of seeing sr20dets, so I wanted to do something different, but the motor is so much larger and twin turbo at that

thanks
ben

*ca18guy* · 01-01-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boostforlife
thanks for advice, anything is helpful at this point, I am just tired of seeing sr20dets, so I wanted to do something different, but the motor is so much larger and twin turbo at that

thanks
ben

An older 300ZX engine (vg30et) would be alot more reasonable to do if you want different. Its a ton cheaper, presumably easier to fit, and is fast and reliable. Just a thought.

Boostforlife · 01-01-2003, 11:30 AM

good thought, maybe

thanks
ben

SxMachine · 01-01-2003, 08:45 PM

Why not go CA or RB?

Boostforlife · 01-01-2003, 08:58 PM

rb and ca have been done so many times

thanks
ben

misnomer · 01-01-2003, 10:14 PM

I've only seen one 302 in a 240sx. . .

If you want to be unique, go Briggs and Stratton. Nobody will see that one coming!!

gschroeder78 · 01-01-2003, 10:20 PM

If you are really going for originality and have the $$ and patience, go for the VG30DETT. It would definitly be cool to see one work and look good. If you just want something with turbos, and don't have serious money to invest, a more common engine is probably the best choice.

AKADriver · 01-01-2003, 10:21 PM

KA, SR, RB, CA have been done so many times because they work.

VG30s are cheap, if it was a worthwhile swap it would be more popular.

Kreator · 01-02-2003, 09:35 AM

Oh so it's not about being fast now, it's about being different...

I've heard of 1 RB25 swap, and no rb26 swap yet in the US... 3.0 will be different and fast, but awy more expensive and deadly on handling... rbs are way better in the money/performance ratio

Boostforlife · 01-02-2003, 11:19 AM

Misnomer, what is Briggs and Stratton?

thanks guys for advice, you all are help

I do have a large amount of money at this point to do a unique swap, so thats why I am interested in doing something different
Just curious, but what would it take to swap a rb motor into s13 chasis?If I was even going to consider a rb swap it would be the twin turbo if possible, but the vg is still tempting, but talking to everyone everywhere about this swap, it doesnt seem worth it.
anyone feel different?

thanks

gfisch · 01-02-2003, 12:09 PM

hehe, Briggs and Stratton makes lawnmower engines.

Anyways, if ya do go for it, definately get some pics up here. Id love to see that.

Good luck.

Boostforlife · 01-02-2003, 02:23 PM

thanks

DamnedButDetermined · 01-02-2003, 04:42 PM

Can't remember how long ago, but there was a good thread on here about this swap. They said that since the vg30's tranny was larger, and the engine mounts further back in the engine bay, the extra weight is almost redundent (sp?). Basically the extra weight is centered further back on the car so it doesn't interupt the weight balance very much. The guy was going to sell a bolt up kit for that engine, and the only really big things that needed to be changed were the drive shaft, engine/tranny mounts, and a new hood so the valve cover doesn't hit the hood.

The guy said he had it in his S13 and was dragging at like 11.7 sec

1/4 mile.

Hopefully someone else knows more about this, and will actually help instead of try and change your mind.

If he wants a VG30DETT then answer his questions, don't try and change his mind!

If you have a good bit of money, then i say more power to you!

gschroeder78 · 01-02-2003, 10:24 PM

I'll just say that if a little scepticism steers him away from attempting it, there wasn't much hope in the first place. But like I said if you have the money and patience to do it right, I'd love to see how it turns out. Good luck no matter what direction you take.

Garrett

jOeHaCk98 · 01-03-2003, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKADriver
Oh so it's not about being fast now, it's about being different...

I've heard of 1 RB25 swap, and no rb26 swap yet in the US... 3.0 will be different and fast, but awy more expensive and deadly on handling... rbs are way better in the money/performance ratio

.

I bet you know this as a fact. Right.
vg- 300
kit -1000

that is about the HP of a SR. for alot cheaper. Oh, and about weight. Nissan didnt brag that the sohc VG was the lightest V6 in the world for nothing.

I am going that route asap.

Kreator · 01-03-2003, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jOeHaCk98
I bet you know this as a fact. Right.
vg- 300
kit -1000

that is about the HP of a SR. for alot cheaper. Oh, and about weight. Nissan didnt brag that the sohc VG was the lightest V6 in the world for nothing.

I am going that route asap.

Ummm dude, i'd be happy if you gave me 10% of the money you are planning to spend. I'm pretty sure i'd be able to turbo my KA with that.

AKADriver · 01-03-2003, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jOeHaCk98
I bet you know this as a fact. Right.

Actually I didn't say that, Kreator did.

But you're talking about a VG30ET, everyone else is talking about a VG30DETT... which is much more expensive and much heavier than the VG30ET.

By the way, the VG30E was the lightest V6 in the world in 1984. Things change in 19 years.

Nerfdude · 01-03-2003, 10:10 AM

if you've got the money, go for it... but in the end i don't think it'd be worth it. i'd just do an rb25 swap if i wanted to be different.. but since i just want to be faster, the sr20 will do for me.

Boostforlife · 01-03-2003, 11:44 AM

thanks all of you, your posts have been much helpful to me

I will post pics of what ever I do on this forum if I decide to do it

thanks guys
ben

jOeHaCk98 · 01-03-2003, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreator
Ummm dude, i'd be happy if you gave me 10% of the money you are planning to spend. I'm pretty sure i'd be able to turbo my KA with that.

sorry about the quote mistake. I know that it was awhile ago, but it still shows that it is light.

Oh you can turbo your car for about 10 percent of 1300. Last time I checked junk yard Intercooler cores were about 100 bucks.

Kreator · 01-03-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jOeHaCk98
sorry about the quote mistake. I know that it was awhile ago, but it still shows that it is light.

Oh you can turbo your car for about 10 percent of 1300. Last time I checked junk yard Intercooler cores were about 100 bucks.

Ummm i got my eclipse side mount for $50 shipped. Don't know where you were looking for an ic. Oh, and i don't know where you will get a swap for 1300. Unless you are saying there is a kit to swap that into a 240 for $1000.... If that's what you mean, please show me where you found it. And if it's so great and cheap why is everyone doing an sr swap which is 1200 more expensive and 1L smaller.

jOeHaCk98 · 01-03-2003, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreator
Ummm i got my eclipse side mount for $50 shipped. Don't know where you were looking for an ic. Oh, and i don't know where you will get a swap for 1300. Unless you are saying there is a kit to swap that into a 240 for $1000.... If that's what you mean, please show me where you found it. And if it's so great and cheap why is everyone doing an sr swap which is 1200 more expensive and 1L smaller.

When I said IC, I meant an IC worth getting. Like a supra or Starion. Those run about 100 bucks. And when I said 1300 that is parts. Labor will be done by me. The reason more people do an SR is because Its popular, A lot of shops swap it, And the myth about that most JDM engines have 30,000 miles or less. That is the reason, most likely. The reason that people dont go VG is because custom fabbing must be done. Custom Oil Pan, Xmember, etc. The vg is a proven engine. Parts are cheap and the streetablity is awsome. A V6 turbo with a easily modded redline of 7k. You can spool some Nice sized turbos as if they were T25.

Kreator · 01-03-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jOeHaCk98
When I said IC, I meant an IC worth getting. Like a supra or Starion. Those run about 100 bucks. And when I said 1300 that is parts. Labor will be done by me. The reason more people do an SR is because Its popular, A lot of shops swap it, And the myth about that most JDM engines have 30,000 miles or less. That is the reason, most likely. The reason that people dont go VG is because custom fabbing must be done. Custom Oil Pan, Xmember, etc. The vg is a proven engine. Parts are cheap and the streetablity is awsome. A V6 turbo with a easily modded redline of 7k. You can spool some Nice sized turbos as if they were T25.

Ok you better freshen up on yer sr stuff before you start posting crap.

As for the vg, yeah, 1300 in parts. sounds reasonable. Then another 4000 in tools and custom work you'll have to do. No thanx.

jOeHaCk98 · 01-03-2003, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreator
Ok you better freshen up on yer sr stuff before you start posting crap.

As for the vg, yeah, 1300 in parts. sounds reasonable. Then another 4000 in tools and custom work you'll have to do. No thanx.

What are you talking about? Freshen up on my SR crap what does that mean? I own an SR, so what do you mean.

Oh and about the 4000 in air tools, I think you are just a little slow. Last time I checked you didnt need air tools to put an oil pan on. Nor to change an Xmember.

Anything else. You think my information is off. Its all in your head buddy.

*ca18guy* · 01-03-2003, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kreator
Ok you better freshen up on yer sr stuff before you start posting crap.

As for the vg, yeah, 1300 in parts. sounds reasonable. Then another 4000 in tools and custom work you'll have to do. No thanx.

OK, i can find vg30et's for alittle over $500 whole. Anything else that might be missing is a junkyard away. Unless your uber incopmetent I don't see how it would cost a person an extra $4000 to install it.

Crashed7 · 01-03-2003, 10:03 PM

I would recommend the VG30ET. Unless you want to go for like 800 hp, you wont really need the dett engine. The single cam motor can handle 500 hp fairly easily with an upgraded turbo. you will probably need custom mounts, which might run you up into big money, though. Go to Z31.com and ask about the swap there. I know I've seen pictures of the swap, so it's possible. Maybe Mattback at Z31.com would know.
Larry

jOeHaCk98 · 01-03-2003, 11:42 PM

As I posted above. ~1000 for a kit including a fabbed oil pan. Not too much

Compare:

SR: 205hp @ $2500 @ ~8psi

VG: 200hp @ $300 @ 4psi IIRC

v6 will be a smoother than an I4. I do love the SR. Its a great engine with much potential. But dont over look the USDM side. It isnt JDM bling, but its still a good engine. I wont preach to those who dont want to listen. Im not selling this to anyone. Parts are just a dealership, pepboys, or a junkyard away.

01-01-2003, 02:04 AM	#1
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	vg30dett swap I have a s13 coupe, and I want to do a vg30dett swap< nissan 300 z twin turbo 3.o> does anyone know any information relating to this swap, please help if anyone does whether motor bolts up whether motor mounts are same whether drive shaft bolts up whether wiring is compadible or not wether there is body modifications or not whether gauge cluster is compadible or not anything will help at this point any advice or info thanks a lot ben fl

01-01-2003, 05:10 AM	#3
gschroeder78 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Westminster, CO Age: 46 Posts: 507 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I definetly wouldn't recommend it. Like CA18GUY said there is alot of stuff that needs to be changed and it wouldn't be worth it in the end. I'm replacing the engine in my 300zx and I can tell you even when it belongs in the car it barely fits. Of course if you have your heart set on it go for it. __________________ 1989 240SX Coupe -Eibach Prokit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Apex-i N1 Dual Exhaust Westminster, CO

01-01-2003, 08:45 PM	#7
SxMachine Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Jerzie2Atl, Ga Posts: 181 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why not go CA or RB? __________________ 91 Bmw 318is 90 S13 (sr20det)

01-01-2003, 10:14 PM	#9
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've only seen one 302 in a 240sx. . . If you want to be unique, go Briggs and Stratton. Nobody will see that one coming!! __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!

01-01-2003, 10:20 PM	#10
gschroeder78 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Westminster, CO Age: 46 Posts: 507 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you are really going for originality and have the $$ and patience, go for the VG30DETT. It would definitly be cool to see one work and look good. If you just want something with turbos, and don't have serious money to invest, a more common engine is probably the best choice. __________________ 1989 240SX Coupe -Eibach Prokit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Apex-i N1 Dual Exhaust Westminster, CO

01-01-2003, 03:25 AM	#2
ca18guy Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Clearwater FL Age: 42 Posts: 3,226 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ca18guy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its been done before. Its been said that you need a new custom hood to make it fit. The 300zx motor mounts need to be customized also and also a custom driveshaft. I couldn't find any info on wiring. It kinda sounds like a money pit waiting to happen.

01-01-2003, 11:19 AM	#4
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for advice, anything is helpful at this point, I am just tired of seeing sr20dets, so I wanted to do something different, but the motor is so much larger and twin turbo at that thanks ben

01-01-2003, 11:30 AM	#6
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	good thought, maybe thanks ben

01-01-2003, 08:58 PM	#8
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	rb and ca have been done so many times thanks ben

01-01-2003, 10:21 PM	#11
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	KA, SR, RB, CA have been done so many times because they work. VG30s are cheap, if it was a worthwhile swap it would be more popular.

01-02-2003, 09:35 AM	#12
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh so it's not about being fast now, it's about being different... I've heard of 1 RB25 swap, and no rb26 swap yet in the US... 3.0 will be different and fast, but awy more expensive and deadly on handling... rbs are way better in the money/performance ratio __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

01-02-2003, 11:19 AM	#13
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Misnomer, what is Briggs and Stratton? thanks guys for advice, you all are help I do have a large amount of money at this point to do a unique swap, so thats why I am interested in doing something different Just curious, but what would it take to swap a rb motor into s13 chasis?If I was even going to consider a rb swap it would be the twin turbo if possible, but the vg is still tempting, but talking to everyone everywhere about this swap, it doesnt seem worth it. anyone feel different? thanks

01-02-2003, 12:09 PM	#14
gfisch Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2001 Location: Warren,NJ / Baltimore,MD Age: 44 Posts: 576 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hehe, Briggs and Stratton makes lawnmower engines. Anyways, if ya do go for it, definately get some pics up here. Id love to see that. Good luck. __________________ Greg Fischer [email protected] '97 240SX SE '98 Ford Explorer XLT

01-02-2003, 02:23 PM	#15
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks

01-02-2003, 04:42 PM	#16
DamnedButDetermined Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Jax, Fl Age: 43 Posts: 637 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Can't remember how long ago, but there was a good thread on here about this swap. They said that since the vg30's tranny was larger, and the engine mounts further back in the engine bay, the extra weight is almost redundent (sp?). Basically the extra weight is centered further back on the car so it doesn't interupt the weight balance very much. The guy was going to sell a bolt up kit for that engine, and the only really big things that needed to be changed were the drive shaft, engine/tranny mounts, and a new hood so the valve cover doesn't hit the hood. The guy said he had it in his S13 and was dragging at like 11.7 sec 1/4 mile. Hopefully someone else knows more about this, and will actually help instead of try and change your mind. If he wants a VG30DETT then answer his questions, don't try and change his mind! If you have a good bit of money, then i say more power to you!

01-02-2003, 10:24 PM	#17
gschroeder78 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Westminster, CO Age: 46 Posts: 507 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll just say that if a little scepticism steers him away from attempting it, there wasn't much hope in the first place. But like I said if you have the money and patience to do it right, I'd love to see how it turns out. Good luck no matter what direction you take. Garrett __________________ 1989 240SX Coupe -Eibach Prokit Springs -KYB AGX Struts -Apex-i N1 Dual Exhaust Westminster, CO

01-03-2003, 10:10 AM	#21
Nerfdude BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 495 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you've got the money, go for it... but in the end i don't think it'd be worth it. i'd just do an rb25 swap if i wanted to be different.. but since i just want to be faster, the sr20 will do for me.

01-03-2003, 11:44 AM	#22
Boostforlife Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: fl Age: 42 Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks all of you, your posts have been much helpful to me I will post pics of what ever I do on this forum if I decide to do it thanks guys ben

01-03-2003, 10:03 PM	#29
Crashed7 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Stuart, FL Age: 39 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would recommend the VG30ET. Unless you want to go for like 800 hp, you wont really need the dett engine. The single cam motor can handle 500 hp fairly easily with an upgraded turbo. you will probably need custom mounts, which might run you up into big money, though. Go to Z31.com and ask about the swap there. I know I've seen pictures of the swap, so it's possible. Maybe Mattback at Z31.com would know. Larry

01-03-2003, 11:42 PM	#30
jOeHaCk98 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As I posted above. ~1000 for a kit including a fabbed oil pan. Not too much Compare: SR: 205hp @ $2500 @ ~8psi VG: 200hp @ $300 @ 4psi IIRC v6 will be a smoother than an I4. I do love the SR. Its a great engine with much potential. But dont over look the USDM side. It isnt JDM bling, but its still a good engine. I wont preach to those who dont want to listen. Im not selling this to anyone. Parts are just a dealership, pepboys, or a junkyard away.