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itsmeviet · 07-22-2006, 10:28 PM

i have a stock KA planning to go ka-t. would u rather do ka-t or http://www.skipbarber.com/driving_sc...hp_school.aspx and crappy bolt ons?

CaoBoY · 07-22-2006, 10:50 PM

go to the school. you will learn way more, worth your money. learn to outperform the machine you already have, then upgrade it to your driving ability!

***S14DB*** · 07-22-2006, 10:52 PM

Skip barber.

1)You can shave a second off with his class. Then you have that knowledge to any car you have.
2)To much power can make you a worse driver. You'll learn more in the school.

I think you'll be faster with boltons and school then KAT.

itsmeviet · 07-22-2006, 11:20 PM

how about ka-t and autox? u think i would be able to learn as much? or is skipbarber just that good and worth going to?

Flybert · 07-22-2006, 11:53 PM

How about save the money and do a shitload of track events. I think you'll learn way more by getting more seat time.

***S14DB*** · 07-22-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmeviet

how about ka-t and autox? u think i would be able to learn as much? or is skipbarber just that good and worth going to?

That puts you in a class with Supercharged M3's and shit. Defiantly not going to learn anything with that kind of competition. just going to plow thru the course.

Auto-x is about control not power. Bewst is not going to help you as much as a suspension work would.

Spend the money on school. You'll always have it with you.

WhiteGLX · 07-23-2006, 12:01 AM

skip barber is a proven school, everyone learns, but everyone also spends a rediculous amount of money. Lik e previously said, use that money to sign up for like 8 track events, the seat time alone and small classroom time will teach you moe and help your learning curve with all the on track time. I personally woudl take the 8-9 more events over the SKip Barber school, thats just me tho, i thrive on HPDE's.

HyperTek · 07-23-2006, 12:08 AM

skip barber all the way!! the learning experience can never be taken away.

MikeisNissan · 07-23-2006, 12:09 AM

+1 for school

OptionZero · 07-23-2006, 12:23 AM

being fast driver is way more fun than being a shitty one with a pumped up car

itsmeviet · 07-23-2006, 12:36 AM

so i guess lots of track time or school.

thanks for the advice guys

!Zar! · 07-23-2006, 01:35 AM

Learn how to go fast before you go fast.

IMPerfection · 07-23-2006, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteGLX

skip barber is a proven school, everyone learns, but everyone also spends a rediculous amount of money. Lik e previously said, use that money to sign up for like 8 track events, the seat time alone and small classroom time will teach you moe and help your learning curve with all the on track time. I personally woudl take the 8-9 more events over the SKip Barber school, thats just me tho, i thrive on HPDE's.

HPDE's for life.

KA24DESOneThree · 07-23-2006, 03:09 PM

The most instruction I've had is BMWCCA ride-alongs at their autocrosses three years ago.

I have 520+ track miles. The only power mods my S13 has are a JWT ECU (probably doesn't help at this low a tune level and might actually hinder but whatever... it's in there and it's not coming out until a standalone has been put together to replace it) and a 3" cat and exhaust. I regularly keep up with modified Evos at the Streets of Willow and Horsethief Mile. Suspension and, to a lesser extent in my case, driver experience DOES make that much of a difference.

Could I gain from a driving school or even a track day with a professional driver in one-on-one instruction? You bet your ass.

kawika219 · 07-23-2006, 03:10 PM

go to the school...i wish we had a track/racing school in hawaii...i'm gonna have to save up to fly to the mainland and take a class

theicecreamdan · 07-23-2006, 03:25 PM

I would go to school, and then keep going to HPDE's. And then I would pwn everybody

g6civcx · 07-23-2006, 04:06 PM

Each school has their own approach. A lot of the theory you can read and learn on your own.

Focus more on asking a lot of questions about things that confuse you, and getting feedback from your classroom experience. Focus on learning instead of being competitive from your track time. Talk with as many people as you can. You will learn a lot.

0100 · 07-23-2006, 08:09 PM

Skip!

I have a bone stock 240sx and can kill 99% of drivers on any on/off ramps and the touge! I love it. Learn how to be a fast driver. A good driver in a bone stock S13 or AE86 is so much fun to watch.

itsmeviet · 07-24-2006, 12:18 AM

“I have a bone stock 240sx and can kill 99% of drivers on any on/off ramps and the touge! I love it. Learn how to be a fast driver”

"The only power mods my S13 has are a JWT ... and a 3" cat and exhaust. I regularly keep up with modified Evos at the Streets of Willow and Horsethief Mile"

hahah awesome, that sounds more fun than ka-t

*NemeGuero* · 07-24-2006, 12:32 AM

Dont' be a fool! GO TO THE SCHOOL

kenversusryu · 07-24-2006, 02:00 AM

I honestly don't think it's worth 2700 bucks. But that's me.

gamedog85 · 07-24-2006, 03:17 AM

i agree waste of money unless u got 2700 to throw out n have nothin to show for it

itsmeviet · 07-24-2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gamedog85

i agree waste of money unless u got 2700 to throw out n have nothin to show for it

hmmmmm a good driver and nothing to show... or a jdm blinged out 240 and drive like shit..... but 2700 does seem steep

*Jonnie Fraz* · 07-24-2006, 06:13 AM

How much would it be worth to see the guys face as you own him in your 240 and he just dropped 40k on a brand new EVO?
+1 for school.

0100 · 07-24-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gamedog85

i agree waste of money unless u got 2700 to throw out n have nothin to show for it

We have to do a track day at LRP. My bone stock S13 vs whatever you got.

Or a touge run, I'm in MA too.

I will show you where the money went.

Seriously a skilled driver is worth so much hp on the track(and street

) it isn't even funny. Yeah if you are just into straight line power get the turbo, but anyone can mash the R pedal. I have been racing wheel to wheel for 3 years now so I'm not talking out my ass. Trust me it is worth the money. $2700 does sound high. I think I paid $1800 like 3 years ago for the skip school. Check out the clubs that are in your area. They all have schools and are just as good but much cheaper. I went with skip because they are open wheel cars which is what I race. May be better off with a club school as it would be a tin top.

yudalicious · 07-24-2006, 07:32 AM

if it's $2700 I would skip the Barber school (lame pun intended) and spend the money on cheaper/local schools + track time... good luck, it'll be frustrating at first when crappier drivers and better cars pass you on the straights, but in the end it'll be worth it.

WhiteGLX · 07-24-2006, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The most instruction I've had is BMWCCA ride-alongs at their autocrosses three years ago.

I have 520+ track miles. The only power mods my S13 has are a JWT ECU (probably doesn't help at this low a tune level and might actually hinder but whatever... it's in there and it's not coming out until a standalone has been put together to replace it) and a 3" cat and exhaust. I regularly keep up with modified Evos at the Streets of Willow and Horsethief Mile. Suspension and, to a lesser extent in my case, driver experience DOES make that much of a difference.

a stock 240sx keeping up with modified EVO's? From all my track events ive done, i dont see any stock 240's moving that fast, seems like a pretty bold statement, sorry if im stepping over the line here. Ive been on track with high HP evos that could driver very well, which worked to my advantage but i also run an SR....a KA just has no where near any kind of pull to keep up anywhere on track with an evo.

undercoverdjay · 07-24-2006, 08:19 AM

My vote is go with a cheaper KA-T setup, learn how to tune it, and use the remainder of the money for track time. Talk to the more seasoned drivers there and get tips on braking, cornering, suspension setup, etc etc. Learn where you need the power ie, torque for corners, top end for straights and such.

My KA-T setup cost me peanuts after doing research to find out whats a proven setup and what works

SR T25
SR 370CC
88-94 Maxima MAF
Apexi BOV
Ebay FMIC/piping
X02 racing bottom mount manifold
Ebay SR 3 inch downpipe
Apexi SAFC
LC-1 wideband O2 sensor
Boost/Oil pressure/AFR gauges
Auto KADE ECU

With that I've taken a couple LT-1 powered F Body cars, and my buddies 96 M3

I think it cost me around $900-$1000 (including the price of the T25, since it came off of my SR)

Leaving you with $1,700 left (assuming the $2,700 budget) with that you can get plenty of track time. Make sure you invest in some Z32 brakes though, the stock brakes are just horrible. Learn on this setup, sell it off at the end of the season, and buy a better setup for next year

*HaLo* · 07-24-2006, 09:45 AM

Go to the school! It's a mod that will follow you, in any car you drive...

*Jonnie Fraz* · 07-31-2006, 06:30 AM

^Well put HaLo...I was talking to a Skip Barber Graduate, and continuning student this weekend and he is doing the mods to his car a little later after he gets a little better. This gentleman also showed me a video of him driving Buttonwillow and he was pushing cars with much more horsepower and suspension mods.

07-22-2006, 10:28 PM	#1
itsmeviet Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: norcal and sometimes socal Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ka-t or skip barber? i have a stock KA planning to go ka-t. would u rather do ka-t or http://www.skipbarber.com/driving_sc...hp_school.aspx and crappy bolt ons?

07-22-2006, 10:50 PM	#2
CaoBoY Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central Valley Posts: 916 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	go to the school. you will learn way more, worth your money. learn to outperform the machine you already have, then upgrade it to your driving ability! __________________ pulling outta the game: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...wpost&t=119867 parting out, just let me know.

07-22-2006, 10:52 PM	#3
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Skip barber. 1)You can shave a second off with his class. Then you have that knowledge to any car you have. 2)To much power can make you a worse driver. You'll learn more in the school. I think you'll be faster with boltons and school then KAT. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

07-23-2006, 12:01 AM	#7
WhiteGLX Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 41 Posts: 872 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	skip barber is a proven school, everyone learns, but everyone also spends a rediculous amount of money. Lik e previously said, use that money to sign up for like 8 track events, the seat time alone and small classroom time will teach you moe and help your learning curve with all the on track time. I personally woudl take the 8-9 more events over the SKip Barber school, thats just me tho, i thrive on HPDE's. __________________ *NASA HPDE Instructor*

07-23-2006, 12:08 AM	#8
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,224 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	skip barber all the way!! the learning experience can never be taken away. __________________ Keep it Classy

07-22-2006, 11:20 PM	#4
itsmeviet Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: norcal and sometimes socal Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how about ka-t and autox? u think i would be able to learn as much? or is skipbarber just that good and worth going to?

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Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	How about save the money and do a shitload of track events. I think you'll learn way more by getting more seat time.

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MikeisNissan Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Earth, Section 301 Posts: 3,732 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	+1 for school

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OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	being fast driver is way more fun than being a shitty one with a pumped up car

07-23-2006, 12:36 AM	#11
itsmeviet Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: norcal and sometimes socal Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so i guess lots of track time or school. thanks for the advice guys

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!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Learn how to go fast before you go fast. __________________

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KA24DESOneThree Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 39 Posts: 2,564 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The most instruction I've had is BMWCCA ride-alongs at their autocrosses three years ago. I have 520+ track miles. The only power mods my S13 has are a JWT ECU (probably doesn't help at this low a tune level and might actually hinder but whatever... it's in there and it's not coming out until a standalone has been put together to replace it) and a 3" cat and exhaust. I regularly keep up with modified Evos at the Streets of Willow and Horsethief Mile. Suspension and, to a lesser extent in my case, driver experience DOES make that much of a difference. Could I gain from a driving school or even a track day with a professional driver in one-on-one instruction? You bet your ass.

07-23-2006, 03:10 PM	#15
kawika219 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 283 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	go to the school...i wish we had a track/racing school in hawaii...i'm gonna have to save up to fly to the mainland and take a class

07-23-2006, 04:06 PM	#17
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Each school has their own approach. A lot of the theory you can read and learn on your own. Focus more on asking a lot of questions about things that confuse you, and getting feedback from your classroom experience. Focus on learning instead of being competitive from your track time. Talk with as many people as you can. You will learn a lot.

07-23-2006, 08:09 PM	#18
0100 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 1,581 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Skip! I have a bone stock 240sx and can kill 99% of drivers on any on/off ramps and the touge! I love it. Learn how to be a fast driver. A good driver in a bone stock S13 or AE86 is so much fun to watch. __________________ TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com

07-24-2006, 12:18 AM	#19
itsmeviet Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: norcal and sometimes socal Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	“I have a bone stock 240sx and can kill 99% of drivers on any on/off ramps and the touge! I love it. Learn how to be a fast driver” "The only power mods my S13 has are a JWT ... and a 3" cat and exhaust. I regularly keep up with modified Evos at the Streets of Willow and Horsethief Mile" hahah awesome, that sounds more fun than ka-t

07-24-2006, 12:32 AM	#20
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Dont' be a fool! GO TO THE SCHOOL __________________

07-24-2006, 02:00 AM	#21
kenversusryu Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: cali Posts: 259 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I honestly don't think it's worth 2700 bucks. But that's me.

07-24-2006, 03:17 AM	#22
gamedog85 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: springfield ma Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i agree waste of money unless u got 2700 to throw out n have nothin to show for it

07-24-2006, 06:13 AM	#24
Jonnie Fraz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Age: 56 Posts: 1,371 Trader Rating: (29) Rides Gallery: Jonnie Fraz Feedback Score: 29 reviews	How much would it be worth to see the guys face as you own him in your 240 and he just dropped 40k on a brand new EVO? +1 for school. __________________ Stealth-Custom-Fab.com

07-24-2006, 07:32 AM	#26
yudalicious Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 700 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	if it's $2700 I would skip the Barber school (lame pun intended) and spend the money on cheaper/local schools + track time... good luck, it'll be frustrating at first when crappier drivers and better cars pass you on the straights, but in the end it'll be worth it.

07-24-2006, 08:19 AM	#28
undercoverdjay Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Potsdam New York Age: 41 Posts: 594 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	My vote is go with a cheaper KA-T setup, learn how to tune it, and use the remainder of the money for track time. Talk to the more seasoned drivers there and get tips on braking, cornering, suspension setup, etc etc. Learn where you need the power ie, torque for corners, top end for straights and such. My KA-T setup cost me peanuts after doing research to find out whats a proven setup and what works SR T25 SR 370CC 88-94 Maxima MAF Apexi BOV Ebay FMIC/piping X02 racing bottom mount manifold Ebay SR 3 inch downpipe Apexi SAFC LC-1 wideband O2 sensor Boost/Oil pressure/AFR gauges Auto KADE ECU With that I've taken a couple LT-1 powered F Body cars, and my buddies 96 M3 I think it cost me around $900-$1000 (including the price of the T25, since it came off of my SR) Leaving you with $1,700 left (assuming the $2,700 budget) with that you can get plenty of track time. Make sure you invest in some Z32 brakes though, the stock brakes are just horrible. Learn on this setup, sell it off at the end of the season, and buy a better setup for next year

07-24-2006, 09:45 AM	#29
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 46 Posts: 5,201 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Go to the school! It's a mod that will follow you, in any car you drive... __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Drivers: '23 Audi Q4 e-tron & '13 VW Touareg SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

07-31-2006, 06:30 AM	#30
Jonnie Fraz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Age: 56 Posts: 1,371 Trader Rating: (29) Rides Gallery: Jonnie Fraz Feedback Score: 29 reviews	^Well put HaLo...I was talking to a Skip Barber Graduate, and continuning student this weekend and he is doing the mods to his car a little later after he gets a little better. This gentleman also showed me a video of him driving Buttonwillow and he was pushing cars with much more horsepower and suspension mods. __________________ Stealth-Custom-Fab.com