Stupid @$$ hodas

[revat619]

I was driving around today, just minding my own buisness when out of my rear view mirror i see some dirty white car speeding up to get next to me at the stop light. Once i looked over it was 2 stupid guys in an @$$ ugly 91 honda prelude si/sh (whatever...i dont know and i dont care). Anyways, I knew his car sucked so i didnt think anything of it, but as soon as the light turned green, he does a small peal out and he's off. Idiot. I'm still driving regularly and i easily catch him...but that idiot swerves over so i cant pass...so i just wait until theres an opening in the next lane...i smoke past him, but the little queer goes into the left turn an exits laughing.

What a dumb@$$...what bugs me is the fact that this guy even had the nerve to do that (to try to race). Do honda owners have a clue?
This is like the third time some stupid either old or riced out honda has done this. Its gettin really annoying. This is in broad daylight at 5 in the afternoon, there's cars everywhere, innocent people could get hurt. I hate hondas with a passion (ex. S2000 and 2001 prelude SH...those are ok). This really is a stupid post, but i had to vent
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[SR20Fastback]

damn those "hoda" bastards &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;haha man just messin around, i feel ya. But I dont get challanged as much, they must think im slow because the tint on my hatch is bubbling <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[AKADriver]

Why hate Hondas? &nbsp;They're great cars, they just attract idiot owners sometimes.

Those early '90s Prelude Si's are interesting cars. &nbsp;They have a really nice style, low stance, and great handling for an FF. &nbsp;The 135hp 2.1L is pretty fun, too.

[tnord]

1) i like honda's. they are fast.
2) you my friend, are the one without a "clue."

[revat619]

sorry about the topic heading "hodas" i meant hondas of course. Anyways, S2000's and the newer model preludes are cool, but civics and accords...please...and the crx...oh wow what a sports car. The civic si is not that great. The accord...we dont get the type R...you figure it out. The jdm hondas are cool but the american stuff is way different...you should know that (ex. jdm silvia - us 240sx). I guess its the owners not the actual cars...although i still dont like them...

tnord : What do you mean i dont have a clue...what do hondas have thats better than a nissan...dont even say v-tech either.

The bottom line is... i'm sick of ricers challenging me...i dont understand why they do it...it just bugs

[whateverjames]

it's good to vent. but it's also good to ignore pricks like that.

[SimpleS14]

no need to hate on Honda, you should really be hating on the owners that act like complete idiots. This also goes to the owners of any car (even the 240SX) that act like a fool and really have no common sense. The one thing that Honda has over Nissan is good marketing (before the year 2000). Also lets not forget Honda has a better reputation(sp?) with other products such as lawn mower <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> and motorcycles <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> .

[my240likenoother]

i hate the hondas with the fart pipe that sounds like a lawn mower and the gay ass tail's with the shoping cart wing so when they do get that thing up to 120mph it bends the shit out of the trunk, i have seen so many up at my buddys shop getting new trunks put on and they still put the wing back on

morons.......... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[tnord]

honda's have better engines and transmissions as far as 4cyl available in the US go. and yes, VTEC is a part of that. the 6cyl in the NSX is probably better than any V6 nissan offers, but seing as i have limited direct experience with the NSX, i won't pass judgement on that. honda's as a whole are probably more reliable as well. &nbsp;the new RSX isn't due for service until 100k miles, that's pretty impressive. if you can't respect what honda does, you're just ignorant.

"i was driving regularly and easily caught him"
wow. i'm impressed. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> you caught up to an underpowered car who most likely wasn't even trying. way to go buddy, you deserve a prize. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ July 05 2002,10:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">honda's have better engines and transmissions as far as 4cyl available in the US go. and yes, VTEC is a part of that. the 6cyl in the NSX is probably better than any V6 nissan offers, but seing as i have limited direct experience with the NSX, i won't pass judgement on that. honda's as a whole are probably more reliable as well. the new RSX isn't due for service until 100k miles, that's pretty impressive. if you can't respect what honda does, you're just ignorant.

"i was driving regularly and easily caught him"
wow. i'm impressed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> you caught up to an underpowered car who most likely wasn't even trying. way to go buddy, you deserve a prize. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If they are so great why don't you go get one?

Sorry tnord, but yer posts sometimes geton my nerves &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[gsu240]

I don't see why everyone says they hate hondas. &nbsp;I mean yes you may be driving a Nissan, but probably more than 1/2 the people on this board were given a Nissan by their parents, not able to choose. &nbsp;You could have easily been given a Civic. &nbsp;
Just because there are a shitload "ricers" that drive hondas that think they can beat everyone just because of the massive wing and annoying exhaust doesn't mean hondas sucks. &nbsp;On my way home from work today i saw a '96 240sx with 18 in chrome rims, aluminum wing, and yellow street glows and an automatic who tried racing me. &nbsp;Me or someone else could have easily said they hate Nissan just because this guy fucked with him/her.
So just because you see some ricer that thinks he's cool doesnt mean all hondas suck. Have some common sense.

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ July 05 2002,10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If they are so great why don't you go get one?

Sorry tnord, but yer posts sometimes geton my nerves <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Speaking for tnord, because we like our 240SX's better, I assume.

Liking your 240SX doesn't mean you have to hate everything else. &nbsp;Why is this such a difficult problem for people on this board?

[Y-49CRXsi]

ha ha ha. i liked that story. i like my honda too though...but i know EXACTLY what you mean! Just the other day i raced a CIVIC SIR! Well, at least is said, "SIR" on the side on the gas cap cover! I asked him what he had...his reply, "CIVIC". Gee, i wouldn't have known it was a civic until he told me and put the big white vinal sticker on the windshield that said "CIVIC" 3 ft wide! It turns out that....."GASP!" it wasn't an SIR! It was an automatic 92 civic LX. &nbsp;damn, i was sure it was a real SIR cause it even had the "Super Street" logo where the "H" emblem was on the back! &nbsp;Ha ha ha ha, my friend's GEO STORM beat it too....that was a good day to rip apart ricers. Oh, i'm saving still for my 240sx, don't worry people, the crx is going away.

[tnord]

i do want a honda. i want an itr very badly, but from a financial standpoint it's not a smart decision on my part. i have no problem if my posts get on your nerves, i don't hate you for it. i don't like everyone, and i don't expect everybody to like me. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[AKADriver]

I'd love an ITR, but they're too much of a theft magnet for this area... &nbsp;I'd have to hire a 24 hour guard.

[Griffon2k]

There goes &nbsp;those words again, Honda and VTEC. I will admit Honda's aren't bad cars. I make that statement because I don't stereotype cars by their owners. However, when looking at Honda cars mechanically, I have to say there is not much to be astonished by. I have my favorites, the ITR, CTR, and NSX, but the run of the mill VTEC is nothing impressive. Honda's can be fast but that takes a lot of work. They have low torque ratios, and regardless of how much HP you have, torque moves your damn car (VIPER HP=500, VIPER TORQUE=500, perfect ratio, fast car, think about it) Now onto the VTEC. Sure it's a boost of power, but you have to rev your engine into 5500 rpms before it decides to kick in. That is a weak power band. Honda has good marketing and a great hold on the aftermarket that is why it has such a following. Don't be mistaken, Honda is not untouchable, and while they may deserve some respect, they certainly don't deserve the ass kissing that some people (pay attention tnord) give them. nuff said.

[Griffon2k]

And further more, to answer AKADriver's question, having a 240sx doesn't mean you have to hate every other car. The reason why Kreator made that statement is probably because some people are so damn quick in here to jump on another car's dick. ISN'T THIS A 240sx FORUM?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> If you can't stand by the car you drive, maybe you should be driving something else. Why promote Honda or any other car in a 240 forum? I'm pretty sure that the people in Honda forums aren't sitting around talking about how great a 240sx is. There is a difference between respecting a car, and riding dick.Tnord's posts certifies as pure dick riding. You should be in this forum because your parent gave you a 240sx, or even because you simply got stuck with a 240sx, you should be here because you love the 240sx.

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 06 2002,01:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There goes those words again, Honda and VTEC. I will admit Honda's aren't bad cars. I make that statement because I don't stereotype cars by their owners. However, when looking at Honda cars mechanically, I have to say there is not much to be astonished by. I have my favorites, the ITR, CTR, and NSX, but the run of the mill VTEC is nothing impressive. Honda's can be fast but that takes a lot of work. They have low torque ratios, and regardless of how much HP you have, torque moves your damn car (VIPER HP=500, VIPER TORQUE=500, perfect ratio, fast car, think about it) Now onto the VTEC. Sure it's a boost of power, but you have to rev your engine into 5500 rpms before it decides to kick in. That is a weak power band. Honda has good marketing and a great hold on the aftermarket that is why it has such a following. Don't be mistaken, Honda is not untouchable, and while they may deserve some respect, they certainly don't deserve the ass kissing that some people (pay attention tnord) give them. nuff said.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh boy did you walk into this.

i don't see how VTEC is nothing to be impressed by. considering it was developed in the ?mid 80's? and is still an extremely effective method over 20 years later is quite the achievement. i am by no means claiming that honda was the first to develop a vvt system, but i'm willing to bet their near the top. do you know of a way to have 4 different cam profiles on only two sticks? can you figure out a way to transition between those cam's without damaging rocker arms (does vtec use a rocker arm, or do the cams act "directly" on the valves themselves?) or the cam itself? how about this, VTEC is one of the main reasons that honda's are flying under the DOT?/EPA? gov't radar for fuel economy standards. how about this......by using VTEC honda has the ability to appeal to 2 separate demographics at once. both the "cars are a point A to B tool" crowd, and the "i want to go fast" crowd, all with the same car, for the same price. not only has VTEC enhanced the engineering side of the company, but it helps keep the company operating in the black as well (do you know what, &nbsp; in the black means?) basic VTEC may not be a nobel prize winning technique, of course BMW's Valvetronic system is vastly superior, but as i stated, VTEC is not exactly new.

and about this whole torque thing.....torque doesn't really matter if you got REVS (yes i'm aware that torque is a measure of twisting force (force x length) and without any of that force you go nowhere). in case you didn't know.....hp is just a measurement of (torque x RPM)/5250, so you see, it really doesn't matter what you have, ftlbs, or RPM's, it comes out the same. by your theory our 240's should walk all over a Si, but they don't. why? because the Si has 2000 usable rpm's on us. who cares if you gotta get to 5500 rpm before something interesting happens, the next 2500 rpm is all you need if you want to go fast. how the fuck is that a weak powerband? ours is from what, 4-6 grand? i know if i see my rpm below 4500 on the throttle application point of a corner i'll grab a lower gear next time around. &nbsp;sure, torque is good for everyday driving and low gear, low speed corners, but in pure performance applications, i'll take the high strung screamer please. and what is this "perfect ratio" you speak of? hp/ftlbs? i've never heard of this. if it is of any significance, please explain. the viper is a fast car cause it's got 10 FREAKIN CYLINDERS AND TIRES THE SIZE OF A KING SIZE BED. the viper is not a part of this discussion, it impresses me in no way. honda has great marketing? their main market is the everyday family that just need a reliable car. they don't put much effort into the performace side of things. and who's kissing up to honda? i think honda as a company is amazing, and it's no secret i like their engines, but their only reasonably affordable sports car is a convertable, and everyone knows if you want performance you gotta have an enclosed roof and rwd. why would i kiss their ass for that? if you wanna see me kiss ass, lets talk about BMW.

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 06 2002,01:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And further more, to answer AKADriver's question, having a 240sx doesn't mean you have to hate every other car. The reason why Kreator made that statement is probably because some people are so damn quick in here to jump on another car's dick. ISN'T THIS A 240sx FORUM?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> If you can't stand by the car you drive, maybe you should be driving something else. Why promote Honda or any other car in a 240 forum? I'm pretty sure that the people in Honda forums aren't sitting around talking about how great a 240sx is. There is a difference between respecting a car, and riding dick.Tnord's posts certifies as pure dick riding. You should be in this forum because your parent gave you a 240sx, or even because you simply got stuck with a 240sx, you should be here because you love the 240sx.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

EDIT; removal of useless insults.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ July 05 2002,03:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 06 2002,01:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And further more, to answer AKADriver's question, having a 240sx doesn't mean you have to hate every other car. The reason why Kreator made that statement is probably because some people are so damn quick in here to jump on another car's dick. ISN'T THIS A 240sx FORUM?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> If you can't stand by the car you drive, maybe you should be driving something else. Why promote Honda or any other car in a 240 forum? I'm pretty sure that the people in Honda forums aren't sitting around talking about how great a 240sx is. There is a difference between respecting a car, and riding dick.Tnord's posts certifies as pure dick riding. You should be in this forum because your parent gave you a 240sx, or even because you simply got stuck with a 240sx, you should be here because you love the 240sx.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you have no brain do you?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well he is confused...he thinks we r closed minded people and think our cars r the greatest....hmmm....if he drove a honda he would think the honda was the greatest...wow...just like the people he is critizizing....how here'z my point...there r lots of car manufacturese...and they all make good cars &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> ...well most of them......and saying htat i like all nice cars...not dependable on make

[Griffon2k]

LMAO @ tnord


You the reason assholes with SI's pull up next to me and get waxed every other day. SI's aren't god's gift tnord, a bs SOHC Neon can slaughter one. And another thing, for all the info you know about the Honda VTEC, how much info do you have on the 240sx? Variable Valve Timing, yes I admit, it is an engineering feat, but that is pretty much where it stops. On the street a VTEC isn't shit unless you frankenstein the hell out of the engine. That is why SI's can get bent over so damn easily now. If you want to talk about a Honda engine, talk to me about the Integra Type R, I respect that engine, it was built for out of the box performance, I'll even take the Integra GS-R, but just a VTEC or an SI, you have got to be kidding me. And how does torque fit into all of this? Well, lets think for a minute. The Viper (And I used that because of its perfect ratio) is fast not because of tires (when have you ever known tires to make a car fast???) and it isn't just because it has a v10, it is because it's engine works up to 500 horses, and puts it to the asphalt using that 500 ft/lb of breakneck torque. Torque doesn't matter??? Typical Honda lover. 200 Hp doesn't mean a thing if your torque is 145. That means you're doing less than 175 at the wheels. Torque doesn't matter, that is real funny tnord. Well at least I have learned something from you today, that you are pretty good at making an ass out of yourself, posterboy. Go have an SI and a smile.

[Griffon2k]

Oh and before I forget tnord, my powerband starts at about 3000-3500 rpms and only gets stronger as i go up. What in god's name did you do to your 240 for it to wait until 4500 rpms before doing something?? Maybe that's why you think 240's are so slow... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[SR20Fastback]

damn this is gonna be a blood bath, I think im gonna go grab some popcorn between rounds.

and so this post has a point:

Hondas are good cars, the only reason they're stereotyped is because of some of the asshole, im 16 like APC stickers and think Im Vin Diesel/Paul Walker kids.

I dunno maybe Im talkin outta my ass, hondas can be fast, the only dislike I have of them is their drive trains. I've had so much more fun with my 240 than I ever did with my Prelude. Although I will never stop loving my old white somewhat beast of a prelude <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[AKADriver]

There is no such thing as a "perfect ratio". &nbsp;Having such a "perfect ratio" of 1:1 usually results in what I'd describe as uninspiring engines to drive, unless they're forcefed or very large displacement.

Torque is multiplied by gearing. &nbsp;If the engine doesn't make the torque, extend the rev band and add shorter gears. &nbsp;That's exactly what Honda has done with their cars - and it works. &nbsp;Thus the point of variable valve timing, to make a high winding engine agreeable at low revs. &nbsp;It's true that the run of the mill SOHC VTEC engines are pretty much bland, but the DOHC VTEC engines from the B16A on up are quite exciting.

A '99-'00 Si might lose a few races to SOHC Neons, but in general they're a bit quicker. &nbsp;SOHC Neons are for the most part consistent high-16-second cars, except for the 3.94:1 geared ACR sedan which is in the lower 16's. &nbsp;Si dragstrip times vary widely, from craptastic high 16's at the hands of riceboys to a 15.29 at the hands of a friend of mine.

The Si's main drawback is that it's heavy - as heavy as an S13. &nbsp;The B16A is a lot of fun in a hatchback or CRX body.

[tnord]

statements tha show this person is of less than normal intelligence;

1)If you want to talk about a Honda engine, talk to me about the Integra Type R, I respect that engine, it was built for out of the box performance, I'll even take the Integra GS-R, but just a VTEC or an SI, you have got to be kidding me.

you are aware that these are all B series engines right? they all use basically the same techniques, hence why you can "frankenstein" them. i'm pretty sure both the itr and the gsr are both 1.8L engines. one's a B18C (itr) and the other is a B18A (gsr) er somethin like that i really don't know. because of the higher rev capability of the itr i'm guessing it just has beefier valve springs and lighter valves. it also most likely runs higher compression, possibly via a head gasket. i do know that the cams are a bit "hotter" because people put them in other B series motors all the time. so basically, when you say the Si sucks, but the itr is impressive.......you really stick your foot in your mouth seeing as how the motor differences really aren't that distant.

2) The Viper is fast not because of tires.
&nbsp;
i just don't even know what to say about this <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> . Hey Einstein, toss on some 185's, take a few laps, then put some 355's (roughly the size of the vipers rear tires) and tell me tires don't make you faster. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

3) And I used that because of its perfect ratio

once again, of what significance is this ratio? how did you come up with this?

4) 200 Hp doesn't mean a thing if your torque is 145.

sure it does, it means to make 200hp with only 145ftlbs you have to be able to operate at 7241.38rpm, not out of reach by any means. especially not out of reach for any HONDA/TOYOTA &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> . (wasn't expecting the toyota were you?)

5) 200 Hp doesn't mean a thing if your torque is 145. That means you're doing less than 175 at the wheels

assuming you're talking about a fwd honda, and what measurement are you referring to, hp or torque? making a couple assumptions of my own, you're pretty much right. but i'm anxious to see how you came up with that number, please show me.

6) a bs SOHC Neon can slaughter one

considering a 97 SOHC neon makes 132hp, and a 99 Si makes 160 with a couple thousand more rpm available, i'm gonna go ahead and say you're lying.



thank you and come again. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Griffon2k @ July 06 2002,02:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh and before I forget tnord, my powerband starts at about 3000-3500 rpms and only gets stronger as i go up. What in god's name did you do to your 240 for it to wait until 4500 rpms before doing something?? Maybe that's why you think 240's are so slow... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you go right ahead and keep those revs at 3k at throttle application point. i'll throw in an extra downshift while braking, and we'll see who gets to the next braking point first. that is, if you don't shit your pants because you've never been on a track before.

[SR20Fastback]

tnord- to answer your question or pondering the ITR engine is the B18C5 and the GSR engine is the B18C1

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ July 06 2002,03:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tnord- to answer your question or pondering the ITR engine is the B18C5 and the GSR engine is the B18C1</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thank you for clarifying.........btw.......i like your sig.

[negular]

well i'll be dammed...u all go off man

[Griffon2k]

If the engines of the SI and the ITR and GS-R are so similar, why don't you get an SI and try to take an ITR. You would get hosed, wouldn't you. The engines are very different, you can't bullshit around that. The ITR and the GTR have higher compression, but that is not because of just a head gasket (where the hell did you get that from anyway?)

To finally keep your asshole from continuing speak for you on a tire's contribution to speed, a tire can shave a couple tenths off of your time, but there is no way in hell you are going to tell me that a damn viper is fast because of its tires, the thought of that statement is ignorant, repulsive, and repugnant all at the same tire. GEE, MAYBE I SHOULD GET SOME VIPER TIRES TO MAKE MY CAR FAST... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> Oh, and that ratio, I didn't have to make that up, Dodge did it for me. Ask them how to figure it out......

Funny that you brought up Toyota, don't celica's whoop up on SI's too? Yeah they do, I used to drive one, I would know....

And lastly, they say on paper that SI's have 160 hp, but their torque is much lower than that which gives it about as much hp as a SOHC Neon at the wheels (and in a race, whp is all that matters) and that is why Neons can rape an SI pretty easily. Like I said before, if you want to talk about a honda car, talk to me about and ITR, GS-R, maybe even a CTR or NSX, but you can hang all that SI and VTEC bs up.


Kind of embarrassing isn't it. Your post proved absolutely nothing. I guess since your facts on the VTEC couldn't hold water you decided to try to pick my words apart, nice try. Then you bring up another company (Toyota) whose car (Celica) could wipe the floor with your beloved SI too...hmm. Would you like a bandage man, you just f**ked yourself pretty bad......