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burgy240 · 01-31-2002, 10:09 AM

Well, what kind of setup is ideal for drifting? Wheel size/ suspension/ etc.  Also, is iteasier to learn to drift at moderate speeds or as slow as you can go and still be able to kick out the back end?  Just a thought.  thanks in advance

240meowth · 01-31-2002, 11:45 AM

take it from me, it's easier to drift faster, but MAKE SURE!!!! and i repeat MAKE SURE there are no curbs...

Takumi · 01-31-2002, 02:33 PM

...or guard rails, or cliffs to fall off of...etc, etc, etc.  It's good to have some dirt field on the sides to slow you down if you screw up.

White240sx · 01-31-2002, 04:48 PM

Kicking the back out isn't drifting, it's power sliding. Learn grip lines or a road corse first, unless that is you are comfortable controlling a car with no traction around a corner.

*DSC* · 01-31-2002, 06:36 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from White240sx on 4:48 pm on Jan. 31, 2002
Kicking the back out isn't drifting, it's power sliding. Learn grip lines or a road corse first, unless that is you are comfortable controlling a car with no traction around a corner.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>you still have to kick the back out to drift. From what I've seen kicking the back out past the apex of a turn is just, well kicking the back out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> a powerslide I guess (fun, easliy controlled but slower than gripping) whereas if you kick the back out (and do most of the sliding) before the apex of a turn than its a drift. IMO powersliding is an easy way to showoff to friends but serves no purpose, drifting is an actual driving technique.

To the original question...A lot of "drifters" like small wheels and such awful negative camber it's hard not to slide around every turn. As far as speed, start in a big (wet) empty parking lot...try to control figure8's and other stuff in 2nd gear. I dono about what speed to try it at on the street since I don't drift...I imagine 40mph in 2nd could be cool, you don't want to slide at 60+ your first time would you?

burgy240 · 02-01-2002, 09:43 AM

Thanks all,  I know the diff between power slide and drift.  I can power slide anytime, it's not difficult or technical at all,  Drifting however is and I want to learn.  I appreciate all your info.  

AJ · 02-01-2002, 10:30 AM

it is also extremely helpful to have 200+ hp so u can keep ur wheels spinning  in dry weather..  it is really ugly when the gain tracton when you don't exect them 2...  i jumpd myself into anohter lane doing that... just not enough power to keep the wheels spinning.. lucky for me it was late (i wasn't going to attempt this shit when there were cars on the road) and no one was in the other lane <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>..

*DSC* · 02-01-2002, 04:40 PM

Heh, I did that before.  I was trying to drift (real drifts) on dry pavement for the first time (stock HP) and I was sliding turning into it all nice and it just griped all of a sudden and spun me around the other way.  It would have been fun if it wasn't soo scary. I almost hit a curb...

Archangel · 02-02-2002, 01:26 AM

As far as an actual drift setup...
You want stiff suspension. The more suspension upgrades the better. (Sway bars, strut tie bars, lowering springs, after market struts or shocks). You want to reduce as much chassis flex and body roll as possible. This makes it much easier to control. Like if you actually drift a corner, and your body is leaning heavily to the outside, when the momentum lessens, the body will roll back to the inside, making you much more likely to lose control and have the car slide back the to the inside. Any supension upgrades will reduce/prevent this. Also, better supension will allow both of your rear wheels to have even pressure on them, which will make the car much more even and predictable. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Wheels - smaller wheels are easier to spin. The less traction the better for sliding. (in the rear)

Here's an idea that I have not tested, and my not be good for your car, but anyway: Keep those old bald tire on your stock rims when you buy aftermarket rims/tires. Slap the smaller factory wheels with no tread on them for a fun filled night of sliding your rear end around. (As long as the wheels are about the same size as the front wheels.)

BlankFlip · 02-02-2002, 02:22 AM

bald tires r cool, but r also dangerous for regular driving. but yeah, smaller, cheaper (stock) rims r better for the rear for "drifting."

sspikey · 02-02-2002, 02:13 PM

archangel: thats the best thing todo. in japan most drifters are do. what ive told some of my friends todo is goto the junkyard and pick up some used crappy old steel rims. makes hella fun and cheap drifting!

White240sx · 02-02-2002, 05:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Archangel on 1:26 am on Feb. 2, 2002
Here's an idea that I have not tested, and my not be good for your car, but anyway: Keep those old bald tire on your stock rims when you buy aftermarket rims/tires. Slap the smaller factory wheels with no tread on them for a fun filled night of sliding your rear end around. (As long as the wheels are about the same size as the front wheels.)
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Actually running small wheels opens up the option for an abundance of cheap used tires. There are a lot more cars with 15" wheels than 17" wheels. Also the “drifting” wheels are wide (7.5"+) so that when the narrow used tires (195) are installed they have to be "stretched" onto the wheel, which gives sharp immediate response and "low" traction, thus allowing more control and better predictability.

And the best/first suspension mod would be a set of Whiteline adjustable sway bars. Control during body lean is more of a priority than weight transfer during braking and accelerating.

(Edited by White240sx at 5:44 pm on Feb. 2, 2002)

*DSC* · 02-02-2002, 09:45 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from White240sx on 5:42 pm on Feb. 2, 2002

...And the best/first suspension mod would be a set of Whiteline adjustable sway bars. Control during body lean is more of a priority than weight transfer during braking and accelerating.
(Edited by White240sx at 5:44 pm on Feb. 2, 2002)
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Are you makeing this suggestion based on first hand experiance or just from what you've heard?

02-02-2002, 09:46 PM

Very Important, get an LSD, either KAZZ, Cusco, etc.
Second: Hard Compound Tires in the rear, soft in the front.
Third: Straight Camber in the Rear, negative in the front
Fourth: JIC Magic Suspension
5th: Endless Brake Pads NA-D in the Rear VN in the Front
=)
IMO
Shawn
www.autoimaging.com

White240sx · 02-02-2002, 11:41 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from DSC on 9:45 pm on Feb. 2, 2002
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are you makeing this suggestion based on first hand experiance or just from what you've heard?
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I don't drift so; I guess it's based more on my driving style and preferences paired with inferences (I don't like body roll). Basically I'm saying $300 sway bars would be more beneficial to a starting drifter over buying $1500 Tein/Cusco/JIC coilovers as a first modification.

*DSC* · 02-02-2002, 11:46 PM

Oh, thats cool...I don't really drift much either, I just wanted to know if you had the whiteline bars
Actually I was mostly just being a dick cauz nobody helped me solve my problems with my sway bar and now I'm bitter...

Edit: actually kid zelda helped me a bit if I remember correctly but nobody was around for my last problem...STILL BITTER <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

(Edited by DSC at 12:11 am on Feb. 3, 2002)

01-31-2002, 10:09 AM	#1
burgy240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa Age: 49 Posts: 2,151 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well, what kind of setup is ideal for drifting? Wheel size/ suspension/ etc.  Also, is iteasier to learn to drift at moderate speeds or as slow as you can go and still be able to kick out the back end?  Just a thought.  thanks in advance

01-31-2002, 11:45 AM	#2
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	take it from me, it's easier to drift faster, but MAKE SURE!!!! and i repeat MAKE SURE there are no curbs...

01-31-2002, 02:33 PM	#3
Takumi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Age: 44 Posts: 836 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	...or guard rails, or cliffs to fall off of...etc, etc, etc.  It's good to have some dirt field on the sides to slow you down if you screw up.

01-31-2002, 04:48 PM	#4
White240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 219 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Kicking the back out isn't drifting, it's power sliding. Learn grip lines or a road corse first, unless that is you are comfortable controlling a car with no traction around a corner.

01-31-2002, 06:36 PM	#5
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from White240sx on 4:48 pm on Jan. 31, 2002 Kicking the back out isn't drifting, it's power sliding. Learn grip lines or a road corse first, unless that is you are comfortable controlling a car with no traction around a corner.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>you still have to kick the back out to drift. From what I've seen kicking the back out past the apex of a turn is just, well kicking the back out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> a powerslide I guess (fun, easliy controlled but slower than gripping) whereas if you kick the back out (and do most of the sliding) before the apex of a turn than its a drift. IMO powersliding is an easy way to showoff to friends but serves no purpose, drifting is an actual driving technique. To the original question...A lot of "drifters" like small wheels and such awful negative camber it's hard not to slide around every turn. As far as speed, start in a big (wet) empty parking lot...try to control figure8's and other stuff in 2nd gear. I dono about what speed to try it at on the street since I don't drift...I imagine 40mph in 2nd could be cool, you don't want to slide at 60+ your first time would you?

02-01-2002, 09:43 AM	#6
burgy240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa Age: 49 Posts: 2,151 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Thanks all,  I know the diff between power slide and drift.  I can power slide anytime, it's not difficult or technical at all,  Drifting however is and I want to learn.  I appreciate all your info.

02-01-2002, 10:30 AM	#7
AJ Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 793 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it is also extremely helpful to have 200+ hp so u can keep ur wheels spinning  in dry weather..  it is really ugly when the gain tracton when you don't exect them 2...  i jumpd myself into anohter lane doing that... just not enough power to keep the wheels spinning.. lucky for me it was late (i wasn't going to attempt this shit when there were cars on the road) and no one was in the other lane <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>..

02-01-2002, 04:40 PM	#8
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Heh, I did that before.  I was trying to drift (real drifts) on dry pavement for the first time (stock HP) and I was sliding turning into it all nice and it just griped all of a sudden and spun me around the other way.  It would have been fun if it wasn't soo scary. I almost hit a curb...

02-02-2002, 01:26 AM	#9
Archangel Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as an actual drift setup... You want stiff suspension. The more suspension upgrades the better. (Sway bars, strut tie bars, lowering springs, after market struts or shocks). You want to reduce as much chassis flex and body roll as possible. This makes it much easier to control. Like if you actually drift a corner, and your body is leaning heavily to the outside, when the momentum lessens, the body will roll back to the inside, making you much more likely to lose control and have the car slide back the to the inside. Any supension upgrades will reduce/prevent this. Also, better supension will allow both of your rear wheels to have even pressure on them, which will make the car much more even and predictable. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Wheels - smaller wheels are easier to spin. The less traction the better for sliding. (in the rear) Here's an idea that I have not tested, and my not be good for your car, but anyway: Keep those old bald tire on your stock rims when you buy aftermarket rims/tires. Slap the smaller factory wheels with no tread on them for a fun filled night of sliding your rear end around. (As long as the wheels are about the same size as the front wheels.)

02-02-2002, 02:22 AM	#10
BlankFlip Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Future Posts: 1,627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bald tires r cool, but r also dangerous for regular driving. but yeah, smaller, cheaper (stock) rims r better for the rear for "drifting."

02-02-2002, 02:13 PM	#11
sspikey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 394 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	archangel: thats the best thing todo. in japan most drifters are do. what ive told some of my friends todo is goto the junkyard and pick up some used crappy old steel rims. makes hella fun and cheap drifting!

02-02-2002, 05:42 PM	#12
White240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 219 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Archangel on 1:26 am on Feb. 2, 2002 Here's an idea that I have not tested, and my not be good for your car, but anyway: Keep those old bald tire on your stock rims when you buy aftermarket rims/tires. Slap the smaller factory wheels with no tread on them for a fun filled night of sliding your rear end around. (As long as the wheels are about the same size as the front wheels.) </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Actually running small wheels opens up the option for an abundance of cheap used tires. There are a lot more cars with 15" wheels than 17" wheels. Also the “drifting” wheels are wide (7.5"+) so that when the narrow used tires (195) are installed they have to be "stretched" onto the wheel, which gives sharp immediate response and "low" traction, thus allowing more control and better predictability. And the best/first suspension mod would be a set of Whiteline adjustable sway bars. Control during body lean is more of a priority than weight transfer during braking and accelerating. (Edited by White240sx at 5:44 pm on Feb. 2, 2002)

02-02-2002, 09:45 PM	#13
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from White240sx on 5:42 pm on Feb. 2, 2002 ...And the best/first suspension mod would be a set of Whiteline adjustable sway bars. Control during body lean is more of a priority than weight transfer during braking and accelerating. (Edited by White240sx at 5:44 pm on Feb. 2, 2002) </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Are you makeing this suggestion based on first hand experiance or just from what you've heard?

02-02-2002, 09:46 PM	#14
Guest Posts: n/a	Very Important, get an LSD, either KAZZ, Cusco, etc. Second: Hard Compound Tires in the rear, soft in the front. Third: Straight Camber in the Rear, negative in the front Fourth: JIC Magic Suspension 5th: Endless Brake Pads NA-D in the Rear VN in the Front =) IMO Shawn www.autoimaging.com

02-02-2002, 11:41 PM	#15
White240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 219 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from DSC on 9:45 pm on Feb. 2, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are you makeing this suggestion based on first hand experiance or just from what you've heard? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I don't drift so; I guess it's based more on my driving style and preferences paired with inferences (I don't like body roll). Basically I'm saying $300 sway bars would be more beneficial to a starting drifter over buying $1500 Tein/Cusco/JIC coilovers as a first modification.

02-02-2002, 11:46 PM	#16
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh, thats cool...I don't really drift much either, I just wanted to know if you had the whiteline bars Actually I was mostly just being a dick cauz nobody helped me solve my problems with my sway bar and now I'm bitter... Edit: actually kid zelda helped me a bit if I remember correctly but nobody was around for my last problem...STILL BITTER <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> (Edited by DSC at 12:11 am on Feb. 3, 2002)