Go figure...eh?

[RJF]

Canada Has the Most Pot Smokers in Industrialized World
Tuesday , July 10, 2007

By Marrecca Fiore

Canada ranks fifth worldwide when it comes to marijuana usage, but ranks first among industrialized nations, according to the 2007 World Drug Report.

About 16.8 percent of Canadians ages 15 to 64 light up, compared to 12.6 percent of Americans in the same age bracket, according to the report. Canada’s usage is about four times the worldwide average of 3.8 percent, while the United States' usage is about three times the average.

Marijuana, or cannabis, remains the most commonly used drug in the world with almost 160 million people ages 15 to 64 using it in 2005, said the report, which was put out by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Usage is down slightly from 162 million, according to last year’s World Drug Report, which reviewed data from 2004.

The majority of it is grown in the Americas (46 percent), followed by Africa (26 percent). Canada’s usage trails behind Papua New Guinea and Micronesia at 29 percent each, Ghana at 21.5 percent, and Zambia at 17.7 percent. Among European nations, Cyprus topped the list at 14.1 percent, followed by Italy and Spain, both at 11.2 percent.

Although Canada is a top five user of marijuana, its use among high school students in Ontario declined 19 percent between 2003 and 2005. Cannabis use amongst 12th graders in the U.S. declined 18 percent between 1997 and 2006, and is 38 percent lower than it was at its peak in 1979, the report said.

Cocaine Use Twice as High for U.S. Students

Canada may have cornered the North American market on marijuana use, but U.S. teens are twice as likely to use cocaine as teens in the rest of the world, according to the report.

About 4.8 percent of U.S. 10th graders have used cocaine compared to an average of 2.35 percent of 15 and 16-year-olds in South America countries and an average of 2.4 percent of similarly aged students in European nations.

Overall, Spain had the highest percentage of cocaine users between the ages of 15 and 64 at 3 percent, followed by the U.S. at 2.8 percent, England at 2.4 percent and Canada at 2.3 percent.

[Farzam]

I will outsmoke any Canadian.

USA ALL THE WAY USA ALL THE WAY USA ALL THE WAY

[S14DB]

It all makes sense now...

[Ca_laurier]

lol i can fess up that 90% of my friends are freaking pot heads, hell they just smoked a joint

[C. Senor]

lol damn always wondered why canadians are always so peaceful..now i know. stupid american kids usin coke. figured columbia or peru would be up there.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by s13coupeluv

lol damn always wondered why canadians are always so peaceful..now i know. stupid american kids usin coke. figured columbia or peru would be up there.

It would help if the people in Canada, actually caught using these drugs, were actually punished. Most cops don't bother them, because they know the person is just going to get a slap on the wrist, and be on his/her way. SO many people here just say "It's only marijuana... it's not like they're doing crack"

Well, I've known a few pot smokers (have I ever tried it?... not a chance), and EVERY one of them is now into harder drugs, crime, a couple are dead and I'm sure the rest have severe medical issues by now. I don't see them anymore, because they only hang with other users, and worry about getting there next fix.

Meh... it's all part of Canada's stupid legal system. For fucks sake, you commit murder(s) in Canada, and you likely won't see 10 years of prison. It would also help if the prison was actually a punishment... not more like a vacation resort (some prisons allow prisoners to have computers, TV's etc. in there CELL!) Why should people be scared of what's going to happen if they're caught with drugs. They know the judge is going to be some hippie who goes easy on them.

[Howard92884]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

It would help if the people in Canada, actually caught using these drugs, were actually punished. Most cops don't bother them, because they know the person is just going to get a slap on the wrist, and be on his/her way. SO many people here just say "It's only marijuana... it's not like they're doing crack"

Well, I've known a few pot smokers (have I ever tried it?... not a chance), and EVERY one of them is now into harder drugs, crime, a couple are dead and I'm sure the rest have severe medical issues by now. I don't see them anymore, because they only hang with other users, and worry about getting there next fix.

Meh... it's all part of Canada's stupid legal system. For fucks sake, you commit murder(s) in Canada, and you likely won't see 10 years of prison. It would also help if the prison was actually a punishment... not more like a vacation resort (some prisons allow prisoners to have computers, TV's etc. in there CELL!) Why should people be scared of what's going to happen if they're caught with drugs. They know the judge is going to be some hippie who goes easy on them.

Just because your friends are hardcore into other drugs and got into trouble doesn't mean everyone is like that. I quit smoking about 4 1/2 years ago but many of my friends still smoke. They have good jobs, are not in trouble with the law, some have families and are generally good people. Yes its Illegal, and all you should get for having a little marijuana is a little slap on the wrist, if not anything at all. Marijuana does not cause people to kill other people or commit serious crimes. Remember when you make something Illegal you create a black market for it, thus creating criminals, and in a black market you can't go to police to solve your disputes you have to take care of them on your own, hence the murders. Just look at the prohibition, everything was fine until they made alcohol Illegal. Alcohol kills shit loads of people every day, but noone seems to think that it should be illegal. Just because someone smokes some pot does not make them a bad person. Sorry for ranting but I think marijuana being Illegal is bullshit and hypocrytical when you have alcohol causing shit loads of problems and killing people.

Chris

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by RJF

Cannabis use amongst 12th graders in the U.S. declined 18 percent between 1997 and 2006, and is 38 percent lower than it was at its peak in 1979, the report said.

This sounds about right. I was a Junior in 97. We smoked weed a lot. We had songs about weed. Doesn't seem like kids are smoking weed much anymore. Everyone has to be a baller and do blow.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by Howard92884

Just because your friends are hardcore into other drugs and got into trouble doesn't mean everyone is like that. I quit smoking about 4 1/2 years ago but many of my friends still smoke. They have good jobs, are not in trouble with the law, some have families and are generally good people. Yes its Illegal, and all you should get for having a little marijuana is a little slap on the wrist, if not anything at all. Marijuana does not cause people to kill other people or commit serious crimes. Remember when you make something Illegal you create a black market for it, thus creating criminals, and in a black market you can't go to police to solve your disputes you have to take care of them on your own, hence the murders. Just look at the prohibition, everything was fine until they made alcohol Illegal. Alcohol kills shit loads of people every day, but noone seems to think that it should be illegal. Just because someone smokes some pot does not make them a bad person. Sorry for ranting but I think marijuana being Illegal is bullshit and hypocrytical when you have alcohol causing shit loads of problems and killing people.

Chris

I know it may have sounded like I was implying anyone who tries pot will always go for harder drugs, but I wasn't. However the relation between the two cannot be ignored. A friend of mine in university is doing a whole study on the behavior etc. of drug addicts. She interviews people who are addicts to crack, heroine, meth and a boatload of other drugs routinely. One major common factor, between all of them, is that they started with pot at a young age. Some as young as 10.

People who use it legally for medicinal use, I have zero problem with. Other narcotics are used in hospitals daily. However, the reasons drugs are illegal, and should stay that way, is not only for the effect on the users, but also, much more importantly, due to the effects on those around them, and the community as a whole. Legalizing them would solve a small portion of the problem, but it would create a whole new load of problems you haven't even thought of. People are always going to abuse things, whether they're legal or illegal, and a comparison between drugs and alcohol is not a fair one. Drugs have far more serious implications to health, and mental impairment etc. etc. then alcohol does.

[azndoc]

No wonder Mats (Mr. 240sx) sounds high when I'm on the phone with him.

Makes sense to me now.

[Howard92884]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

People are always going to abuse things, whether they're legal or illegal, and a comparison between drugs and alcohol is not a fair one. Drugs have far more serious implications to health, and mental impairment etc. etc. then alcohol does.

Alcohol is a drug, it has tons of implications to your health, csiriosis(that liver disease I can't spell) including others, drinking seriously impares your mind and makes you do things you would'nt normally do. But putting non-violent criminals in jail for a little pot is not the answer either. Yes people abuse everything and those people that do "ABUSE" drugs should be punished. But look at amsterdam, legal and a very low non-violent and violent crime rate. I will post the stat when I find it.

P.S. I am not flaming anyone or saying your argument is stupid. A constructive argument is a good thing, so lets not turn this into a farzam-baka sama thing. LOL.

[Farzam]

Ummmmm. 2 cents.

Pot is way more readily available than crack, it is cheaper than crack, and it's not as big of a deal as crack...that's why people try pot first. I don't see weed as a gateway drug cause it really isn't. Marijuana is a lot more casual as well. You can smoke a blunt with some friends, but I haven't ever heard of someone smoking up their buddies with a 20 rock.

Also...beer is a wayyyyyy bigger gateway drug. I know plenty of people who just smoke weed...but I know a ton of people who got drunk at a party and did a free line and became a coke dealer's bitch for 2 years of their lives until they went to rehab. These aren't your hood rat kids either, i'm talking about a kid who worked at Hollister and was on the football team for his school, a girl who's going to cosmotology, people you see every day.

Cigarettes are also the root of all evil.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by Howard92884

Alcohol is a drug, it has tons of implications to your health, csiriosis(that liver disease I can't spell) including others, drinking seriously impares your mind and makes you do things you would'nt normally do. But putting non-violent criminals in jail for a little pot is not the answer either. Yes people abuse everything and those people that do "ABUSE" drugs should be punished. But look at amsterdam, legal and a very low non-violent and violent crime rate. I will post the stat when I find it.

P.S. I am not flaming anyone or saying your argument is stupid. A constructive argument is a good thing, so lets not turn this into a farzam-baka sama thing. LOL.

I had a whole long post typed up... and then my computer crashed.

I got into much more detail before, but drugs produce a drain on society is one of the main problems. That will not go away with legalization. The physical and psychlogical effects of addiction are what creates that problem. Giving addicts MORE of the drug, and freely, will only make that worse.

Yes, alcohol has serious health affects when abused. The difference between drugs and alcohol is significant though. With drugs the damage is done quicker, with much less exposure, and is more severe in nature (IE: brain damage and mental deterioration for instance) and these effects are not temporary, as they are with responsible alcohol use. A hard drug addict can become legally incompentent within a couple years of starting use with the damage that can be done.

Originally Posted by Farzam

Ummmmm. 2 cents.

Pot is way more readily available than crack, it is cheaper than crack, and it's not as big of a deal as crack...that's why people try pot first. I don't see weed as a gateway drug cause it really isn't. Marijuana is a lot more casual as well. You can smoke a blunt with some friends, but I haven't ever heard of someone smoking up their buddies with a 20 rock.

Also...beer is a wayyyyyy bigger gateway drug. I know plenty of people who just smoke weed...but I know a ton of people who got drunk at a party and did a free line and became a coke dealer's bitch for 2 years of their lives until they went to rehab. These aren't your hood rat kids either, i'm talking about a kid who worked at Hollister and was on the football team for his school, a girl who's going to cosmotology, people you see every day.

Cigarettes are also the root of all evil.

I have to disagree with you when you say pot is not a gateway drug. Yes, not ALL people who use pot, become addicted to hard drugs, but a VERY high number (upwards of 90%) of addicts who are, started drugs with casual pot smoking. Also, in your post, your wording implies the employment of pot as a gateway drug by people.

... and it's not as big of a deal as crack...that's why people try pot first...

Well, when does crack not become as big of a deal? I'm not flaming you or anything, and you do have valid points in your post. But do you see the progression here? Slowly more and more things in society are becoming OK, and society itself is deteriorating as a result. Technology has made people more efficient, but not more intelligent and more responsible. Behaviors of a certain nature were condemned in the past for a reason. Maybe the fact that we have now accepted many of them, should give us a clue as to why society is going the direction it is.

[bamaboy]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Yes, alcohol has serious health affects when abused. The difference between drugs and alcohol is significant though. With drugs the damage is done quicker, with much less exposure, and is more severe in nature (IE: brain damage and mental deterioration for instance) and these effects are not temporary, as they are with responsible alcohol use. A hard drug addict can become legally incompentent within a couple years of starting use with the damage that can be done.

you do realize that responsible alcohol use is limited to no more than 2 drinks at one sitting less than 3 times per month. Tell me where to find these kinds of drinkers and I will show you the casual heroine user. You sound like one of those counselors or some kind of probation officer.

Yes, most addicts did start with pot, but do most pot smokers become addicts, hell no. Look at any 10 people in the USA, any 10, no matter where you find them. I'll be willing to bet the dismemberment of my own cock that at least 7 of them have tried pot and of those 7 at least 4 of them have/will/has casually used pot at some time in their life. If you have never used pot how is it that you seem to know so much. Put the books down. As far as your friend goes, people are honest in that kind of research and there are so many variable in surveys that they are never accurate and most scientific surveys also figure in an equation for the possibility of the accuracy itself. You are entitled to your opinion, but please come with facts before you try to take the high road above other people. Premie or not.

[Ninjabread]

Originally Posted by azndoc

No wonder Mats (Mr. 240sx) sounds high when I'm on the phone with him.

Makes sense to me now.

And his eyes are always bloodshot... Hmmm...

On a serious note...

Ohhh Canada,
Our home and native land

[steve shadows]

people smoke more when its cold

russians cant afford cigarettes

theres your answer

[eastcoastS14]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

It would help if the people in Canada, actually caught using these drugs, were actually punished. Most cops don't bother them, because they know the person is just going to get a slap on the wrist, and be on his/her way. SO many people here just say "It's only marijuana... it's not like they're doing crack"

Well, I've known a few pot smokers (have I ever tried it?... not a chance), and EVERY one of them is now into harder drugs, crime, a couple are dead and I'm sure the rest have severe medical issues by now. I don't see them anymore, because they only hang with other users, and worry about getting there next fix.

Meh... it's all part of Canada's stupid legal system. For fucks sake, you commit murder(s) in Canada, and you likely won't see 10 years of prison. It would also help if the prison was actually a punishment... not more like a vacation resort (some prisons allow prisoners to have computers, TV's etc. in there CELL!) Why should people be scared of what's going to happen if they're caught with drugs. They know the judge is going to be some hippie who goes easy on them.

Man I gotta completely disagree with all your posts in this thread and agree with what others have said. Just because your friends turned to harder drugs in no evidence that this is always the case. I also have to agree with bamaboy and say that the problem is that the statistics are skewed, they are saying that a majority of drug addicts start with weed but do not tell you the number of weed smokers who do not become drug addicts. assuming that there are 301,139,947 according to the CIA and 12.6% smoke weed then that is 23,899,995 weed smokers and Im willing to bet that there are no where near that many drug addicts in this country. As far as weed damaging society I dont believe this is true because so many people already do it that legalization would most likely not have as big of an impact as you think. As for your alcohol argument alcohol causes way more problems that weed ever would. When was the last time you heard about someone killing innocent people as a result of high driving? Or when was the last time you heard about a family getting torn apart because the dad had a weed problem? or when was the last time you ever even heard of someone dying cause they smoked too much weed or dying of weed poising? Never. but you do hear about alcoholism and alcohol poisoning, and drunk driving and people needing liver transplants because they drank for years. Yet, you can walk right into any of millions of liquor stores and buy a single bottle that you could pontentially consume the entire contents of and kill yourself or get behind the wheel and kill innocent people. Weed is harmless, it makes you hungry and sleepy and goofy, and if you end up blowing coke in some grimey bathroom wondering where your life went, blame your self and your lack of self control not weed. I would also like to point out the fact that you are making statements about the affect of a drug which you openly admit you have never tried. How can you say this or that leads to whatever if youve never experienced the feeling it gives you. I can say that progression to harder drugs is vouluntary and weed in no way compels you to do anything because I have experienced it I did it and never felt the compulsion to move on, but you are making statements watching from the sidelines. I firmly believe that the reason weed is not legal is because the govt has no way to make money from it. To much weed is readily available for the government to control the supply and impose any kind of tax on it like they do tobacco or alcohol, remember companies own all the tobacco plants in the US. The government keeps things illegal partially because its bad but also because its not profitable and they would rather you use their drugs to feel better, and if youve ever had surgery you know that the medical companies have some good ass drugs...sorry for the essay but your OP really sounded like the movie reefer madness from the 50s lol...I say smoke a joint and make up your own mind...it wont kill you after all

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by bamaboy

you do realize that responsible alcohol use is limited to no more than 2 drinks at one sitting less than 3 times per month. Tell me where to find these kinds of drinkers and I will show you the casual heroine user. You sound like one of those counselors or some kind of probation officer.

Yes, most addicts did start with pot, but do most pot smokers become addicts, hell no. Look at any 10 people in the USA, any 10, no matter where you find them. I'll be willing to bet the dismemberment of my own cock that at least 7 of them have tried pot and of those 7 at least 4 of them have/will/has casually used pot at some time in their life. If you have never used pot how is it that you seem to know so much. Put the books down. As far as your friend goes, people are honest in that kind of research and there are so many variable in surveys that they are never accurate and most scientific surveys also figure in an equation for the possibility of the accuracy itself. You are entitled to your opinion, but please come with facts before you try to take the high road above other people. Premie or not.

I'm not trying to come down on anyone here. If pot became legal, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I just think the problem would still remain, and probably get worse, not better. I'm not talking about crime, I'm talking about the health and social problems that come with addiction etc. I've also traveled to countries where all drugs (hard and soft) are readily available and seen the results. I don't know you, but I doubt you've seen some of the things I'm refering to when I say results, and if you have; my apologise for the assumption, and we obviously took different things away from that experience. No, I've never used pot, and I'll admit I DO have a bias in the fact that a large part, of the not so good memories in my life, involve drugs, those that use and sell them and even those that produce them.

As for my friends research; it's WAY more then a survey. It's the major part of her research for a PhD. It won't be done for awhile yet, otherwise I'd post up a link to the final paper etc. Just for the record as well, she admitted to me that before her research, she had ZERO problem with legalizing pot. She's done a total 180 now.

Essentially my main problem with legalizing pot is that I don't see it being much longer till hard drugs are legal. I just see one thing leading to another here.

[mrmephistopheles]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here (because I've always been against the use of ANY drugs from cerveza to crack), and suggest that pot is considered a gateway drug simply for the fact that it's far more benign than the harder drugs out there (coke/meth/crack/heroin, etc), but still has the appeal of getting one high.

Succinctly, who (in their right minds) would try heroin or crack as their first illicit substance?
I'm not the brightest guy in the world but it makes sense to me that progressing from one drug to the next is the more logical way to do it.

Think of it like climbing mountains.
Let's say Everest and K2 are crack and meth.
Let's say Mt Fuji is cocaine and marijuana is a 5000ft mountain.
Beer is Blueberry Hill.

For the sake of the argument, let's say that the entire population is of good enough health to summit everest.

Let's say I've tried Coke. It stands to reason that if I've tried coke, I've probably tried pot and drank beer. Those are both substances that aren't terribly hard to come by, and carry little risk (compared to coke and onwards).

Most of the US is content climbing up Blueberry Hill from time to time, and a few more like to hit that 5000ft peak now and then.

Let's take a look at the Everest and K2 climbers. Real-world climbers who want to summit those peaks have climbed the Blueberry Hills, and the 5000ft peaks and the Mt Fujis of the world and seek to go further. They want the adventure and the glory and the excitement and the challenge of climbing the highest peaks.

A skewed version of that holds true for users of crack and meth. More often than not, they've tried beer and pot and coke and while they've probably enjoyed it all, they've wanted MORE. They wanted the bigger high, the more profound feeling of euphoria, the greater buzz, etc. They understood (to some degree) the risks associated with those drugs and they chose to take them.

It stands to reason that a large majority of them smoked pot at some point along the journey, even if climbing Mt. McKinley isn't a prerequisite to climbing Everest. It was their personality or other factors that drove them to want to try harder drugs, not necessarily the use of pot. Certainly, having a stepping stone in the transition between alcohol and harder drugs is a boon, but it's not necessarily the fault of marijuana.

I have begun lately to waffle about my opinion of pot. I think any drug, legal or otherwise cannot be used irresponsibly. Alcohol can be drunk to excess, and all manner of consequences can result. Same with pot smoking.

I have HEARD that it's impossibly to OD on pot, but I have NOTHING to back that up.
I know for a fact that people can and do succumb to alcohol poisoning.
Coke and onwards can all be easily OD'd on.
I don't believe that all drugs are inherently evil or bad.
Marijuana has medicinal uses. Morphine is a hospital-grade painkiller.

I think that (from what I know) legalizing marijuana might be an OK idea, so long as the same restrictions and consequences are placed on it that are on alcohol. Perhaps more regulation of it would be prudent as well, I can't say for sure.

I don't feel the same way about meth or crack or coke or heroin. One could argue that we should legalize everything and let the Darwin effect weed out the stupid ones. Perhaps as a sardonic theory, that's a great idea, but in practice it would only result in a greater drain on society, more heartbreak and suffering among families, and outlash from those who were previously punished for breaking the newly-repealed law. I don't think that legalizing pot will lead to the legalization of hard drugs. ANY idiot can see a difference in the societal, physical and social effects of those drugs. Who in their right mind would legalize meth or crack?




I'm long winded today I guess.

Out of curiosity (and I can't guess for myself as I'm not a pot smoker), how much would one be willing to pay for a 100% legal marijuana cigarette? Let's say a pack of 20, just like tobacco.

[eastcoastS14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83vL7DdXUQ0

and oh yeah Id probably pay $10 or $20 for a pack of joints

[eastcoastS14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIMQcdDmrY4

^^ watch this...pretty interesting lol these guys take weed pretty serious but good facts as well

[Howard92884]

Has anyone ever heard of the show called "Bullshit" on Showtime. Check it out they have a very good show on marijuana and legality and the so called "drain" on society.

[undergroundman]

Marijuana is a flower that grows in nature, its not a drug.


Its a shame that that government officals are too big headed and afraid of the cultural revolution that would happen if weed became legal. Think of the possibilities! The market would solve so many problems and there would be gov and private ran marijuana stores. Just like the meineke ad, for 70K you can start your own kron-n-stop shop. It would stimulate buisness ventures and employment. I would spend $60 on a legal G-13 Eighth from the gov. pot shop, all that gov. revenueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee made would be pumped right back into country; its the type of revenue needed to solve the internal problems (education, social, etc) of the US aka the police of the world.

and the black market would dissipate due to competitive legal pricing! So now cops can focus more on the shitty drugs aka coke, crack, anything synthetic.

BTW you have THC receptorcites in your brain.

[axiomatik]

I've never smoked pot, but I know people who do/have. None of them have ever done anything harder than LSD. The people who graduate on towards harder drugs would do so anyway regardless of whether or not pot even existed.

personally, I think marijuana should be legalized, and taxed and regulated just like cigarettes and alcohol. In fact, I think it is much more benign than alcohol. More than 15,000 people die every year due to drunk driving alone, I guarantee that you won't find that many pot-related deaths. Do you have any idea how many people are jailed every year for just possesseing pot? And how much it costs taxpayers in jail-time and court costs? It's astronomical. Plus, every year legitimite scientific studies come out finding medicinal uses for pot. Just recently one came out that found that pot was the most effective pain-killer for this one particular type of pain (I forget what it was caused by), performing much better than 'traditional' pain killers such as morphine. I just don't understand why it is illegal.

[chmercer]

Originally Posted by undergroundman

Marijuana is a flower that grows in nature, its not a drug.


Its a shame that that government officals are too big headed and afraid of the cultural revolution that would happen if weed became legal. Think of the possibilities! The market would solve so many problems and there would be gov and private ran marijuana stores. Just like the meineke ad, for 70K you can start your own kron-n-stop shop. It would stimulate buisness ventures and employment. I would spend $60 on a legal G-13 Eighth from the gov. pot shop, all that gov. revenueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee made would be pumped right back into country; its the type of revenue needed to solve the internal problems (education, social, etc) of the US aka the police of the world.

and the black market would dissipate due to competitive legal pricing! So now cops can focus more on the shitty drugs aka coke, crack, anything synthetic.

BTW you have THC receptorcites in your brain.

you decided to join zilvia to post this???

ps coke isnt a shitty drug

coke is a rockstar drug

[undergroundman]

Originally Posted by chmercer

ps coke isnt a shitty drug

coke is a rockstar drug

yea id like to do a drug that makes my penis small, makes my nose bleed, makes my heart explode, and sucks all my money out of the bank; is that possible plz?

I like to make this face all night bwhwhwbhwhwhbhwhhwhwhw. I like to sit in a bathroom and talk to some asshole stranger for 7 hours on end, is that possible plz? With no penis and a nose bleed, where do I sign up!?

[Matej]

Dooood, I can't listen to your scientific arguments if you're constantly going to repeat yourself while giggling at Spongebob.

[BustedS13]

regardless of what benefits weed may have, nobody in this thread, or any thread, or in real life, wants it legalized for those benefits. you want it legal so you can get high, so shut the fuck up with your "it's a plant from nature" "it's an herb not a drug" hippie bullshit. admit you want to abuse it like alcohol, then make your argument.

i fucking hate it when stoners and politics cross paths.

[SimpleSexy180]

LETS GO GET FUCKING HIGH
VS
LETS GO GET FUCKING WASTED

hmmm which is more safe busted s13?

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by downshift180

LETS GO GET FUCKING HIGH
VS
LETS GO GET FUCKING WASTED

hmmm which is more safe busted s13?

this is exactly the mentality that keeps everyone from listening to this argument. people who say they can still drive while high. i can drive drunk, that doesn't mean i should. i could steer with my feet if i wanted to.