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AutoDestruct · 10-01-2002, 08:00 AM

I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this but SCC just put out an article for project Silvia its 89 coupe with SR20 and it details in full the 5 lug knuckle and brake swap from a 300zx.  This same article also has them install a JIC Flt-A2 Threaded perch coilover system as well as bushings and lower control(trailing link) arms.  They also have tested it and claim a .92g on the skid pad.    This is a extremely useful article.    

P.S. They also have phone numbers in the back as well as a section called doing it cheap(junkyard).  Bad press, good press I don't know.    Good for me though.

CoasTek240 · 10-01-2002, 08:19 AM

i agree. it's both good and bad.. it does bring publicity as well as give 240 enthusiasts some respect. howevere every rice boy and their mom is buying a 240 now. i heard  a kid in pol sci class the other day tell his friend he finally sold his 2nd gen eclipse and he's gonna buy a "silvia" and do everything that they did in scc. now that's a goo dplan but i figure he'll do it a little diff. maybe with more stickers <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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well b4 u know it its going to be too hard to get a 240 and parts will become more expensive bc of the demand.. as well as more "cheap"(as in flimsy)
well we'll see how is goes. i can just say i believe its the begining of the end

Yoshi · 10-01-2002, 10:12 AM

I don't mean to come off as elitist, but fuck SCC.  The article was very good, and very thorough... the problem lies in the rice factor that follows the mag; a high level of rice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Our community would be better off without the publicity.  I've been trying to buy another s13, my wife and a friend of mine, as well as myself called over 80 used car lots within 200 miles of my house, and couldn't find a single 240 to even look at!  The popularity of the car being bought up by kids who are trading in their 91 CRX or civic is a lot bigger that you might think!  Props to SCC for doing the article right, but it's hurting the true enthusiasts.

It's true that some of the new people jumping on the bandwagon WILL NOT be ricers, destroying our rapidly dwindling number of cars, but they'll by far be the minority.  As for more 3rd party manufacturers... wow, u mean I can finally get altezzas from APC for my 240? Weeeeeeee... all the crapass products from shite companies can continue to ignore nissan as a whole.  In fact I hope and pray they do.

This rant is nothing new, and isn't going away, we can only do 1 of 3 things: ignore it, be part of it, or the path I'm taking... make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge.
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HippoSleek · 10-01-2002, 12:00 PM

I agree - too much attention.  

FWIW, Don Nimi was over 1g w/ a lot less expensive hardware than than (tires and shocks, iirc).  .92 isn't too good considering C&D got .89, iirc, in 1989 on a bone stock weak tired car.

AKADriver · 10-01-2002, 01:43 PM

C&D actually only got .83g from their '89 SE. They got .87g from a '95 SE, though. Still, all SCC's done to their car suspension-wise is add a set of pricey coils, fresh bushings, and fresh street rubber. I'm sure the 5lb or whatever they saved with the 300ZX uprights was truly worth the mention <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Honestly I don't mind their "Silvia" project as much as their Neon project. First they start with a craptastic rental special SOHC Neon, then they seem to pick the most expensive solution to each problem. Of course, their Neon project only exists to begin with because Mr. Coleman didn't do his research.

KiDyNomiTe · 10-01-2002, 03:54 PM

This sucks for me, im gonna have to pay more money for a car, when I get one. If anyone wants to keep thier fastback stock and sell it to me in 6 months be my guest <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Loren · 10-01-2002, 04:13 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Oct. 01 2002,11:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge.
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everyone knows that knowledge is half the battle

GTR240 · 10-01-2002, 04:25 PM

yeah i saw the article, my friend and i were excited cuz we finally got some respect.  but then when i went driving i saw a couple riced out hondas and was like shit, our cars are going to be looking like that.  i am going to make signs and when i see a riced 240 i am going to put one on their car.  

one good thing that they did was that now manufactors will take some notice of us.  and maybe the one that dont want to do a SR swap and hop up their Ka's.  so who knows.  but the rice is going to bother me.

uiuc240 · 10-01-2002, 04:34 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Oct. 01 2002,11:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't mean to come off as elitist, but fuck SCC. The article was very good, and very thorough... the problem lies in the rice factor that follows the mag; a high level of rice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Our community would be better off without the publicity. I've been trying to buy another s13, my wife and a friend of mine, as well as myself called over 80 used car lots within 200 miles of my house, and couldn't find a single 240 to even look at! The popularity of the car being bought up by kids who are trading in their 91 CRX or civic is a lot bigger that you might think! Props to SCC for doing the article right, but it's hurting the true enthusiasts.

It's true that some of the new people jumping on the bandwagon WILL NOT be ricers, destroying our rapidly dwindling number of cars, but they'll by far be the minority. As for more 3rd party manufacturers... wow, u mean I can finally get altezzas from APC for my 240? Weeeeeeee... all the crapass products from shite companies can continue to ignore nissan as a whole. In fact I hope and pray they do.

This rant is nothing new, and isn't going away, we can only do 1 of 3 things: ignore it, be part of it, or the path I'm taking... make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge.
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Yoshi,

I agree, but don't forget some of the good things to come with all this publicity.  I remember when I got my coupe 3 years ago...there was NOTHING out there.  Now there are tons of people selling exhausts, intakes, suspensions, performance parts, etc.  And you don't have to get raped paying for JDM pieces because a lot of the nice Japanese companies are opening up offices in the US.  I love that.

I agree that rice is lame.  But rice has been here forever.  Have you seen all the CRAP sold for hot-rodders?  They buy the lame stuff too.  Truckers are worse about it.  They all have the lame headlight covers and Chevy bowtie tailpipes, and whatnot.

Don't worry about what other people buy for their 240s.  Just be thankful that by having an industry, now we can actually get some parts for our cars.  It's nice being able to get coilovers for less than 3 grand.  Now if only I could convince Rays to sell wheels for cheap here.

Eric

fodive · 10-01-2002, 04:37 PM

i agree w/eric, rice is someething that we're going to have to live with, so lets at least look at the benefits of the pulicity and take advantage of that

gemoose23 · 10-01-2002, 06:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 01 2002,2:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">C&D actually only got .83g from their '89 SE. They got .87g from a '95 SE, though. Still, all SCC's done to their car suspension-wise is add a set of pricey coils, fresh bushings, and fresh street rubber. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Why do you think the JIC FLT-A2 is only a "pricey" set of coils?

Isn't what SCC did what everyone does to their car?

Just thinking they did an article where most 240sx owners can do the same mods.........

particleeffect · 10-01-2002, 07:48 PM

link please, i went over to scc but didn't have much luck and don't normaly read them.

KiDyNomiTe · 10-01-2002, 08:01 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (particleeffect @ Oct. 01 2002,8:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">link please, i went over to scc but didn't have much luck and don't normaly read them.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The articles don't go on site for a bit, usually a week or two after they hit newstands, usually the actual month the article is advertised.

If you order the magazine you get it liek a month and a half early, pretty cheap, I might order SuperStreet (its got good pics <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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I am happy with the mag though, I liked how they did a small feature on a shop then a feature on the shops car (i.e. C-West, RX-7; Feast-Racing, S13; some other cars and such.

adey · 10-01-2002, 09:47 PM

hey, what's wrong with JIC FLT-A2s?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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while I agree that SCCs numbers on the skidpad seem *somewhat* low for a car with coilovers and tires, I think they happened to make a v. good choice of suspension. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

Or did you mean that you were unimpressed that that was the ONLY susp. mod they had (i.e. no rear upper arm, TC rods, traction rods, anti-sway, etc) and that it wasn't enough to get into a magazine?

AKADriver · 10-02-2002, 07:30 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gemoose23 @ Oct. 01 2002,7:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do you think the JIC FLT-A2 is only a "pricey" set of coils?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
They're not JUST expensive, but they are expensive.

My point was that the suspension's basically stock except for springs and dampers, and that I wouldn't expect a huge gain from that, especially since they're still on street rubber.  Nothing against the Azenis Sport, it's an awesome street tire.

hurleyboi514 · 10-02-2002, 08:02 AM

i dont think we are gonna have a rice problem b/c of that article.  look at the mods they did:  stuff you cant see!!  thats what ricer's are all about, what people see and think about their cars.  they may get coilovers for the drop (sure would be expensive just for a drop! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>), but not all those sweet endlinks.  they are like $300 for each set, and that adds up to almost a few grand in links!!  they wont do that.  they for one cant afford it, two it doesnt matter to them.  now they can copy the exaust, and if they are rich ricers, they can get the SR swapped in for them.  (hopefully they will so when the wreck i can salvage their engine for cheap! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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**Phlip** · 10-02-2002, 08:51 AM

Does this mean that because of Dave Coleman's exposure of the tuning potential of the 240SX/Silvia, APC will finally make "euro tails" for my car.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> YES!!! I FINALLY GET MY RICE-BOY HIBACHI KILLER tail lights... Okay, bullshit aside. This means 2 things... 1) I can stop that asshole at the gas station from asking me stupid questions like "What kinda car is that?" or "Did they even MAKE those here?" and 2) I can NOW expect parts to skyrocket in price. Remember that the fact that more people WANT the car doesn't mean that Nissan provided the market with enough to go around. Factor in that 18 year old with a truckload of mommy-daddy money to blow on vinyl stickers and hood lights and that means that someone who actually gave a damn before the car ever saw run in a magazine will have to pay a premium for a car he could have gotten for hundreds or thousands less a year prior. Do I agree with what is happening? Yes and no... Yes, I like the fact that the car is becoming more popular and for some reason (or no apparent reason at all, depending on how you see it) our egos are padded when some rice-fuck says "hey, nice car." No in that I don't like the fact that the same aforementioned rice-fuck will sell his civic, keeping the vinyl, hoodlights and neon. This could all come to an end, however, with the assasination of Dave Coleman and the burning and looting of the SCC offices  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

flipboi13 · 10-02-2002, 12:23 PM

As people have mentioned before, its going to be alot harder for "ricers" to get into the 240 scene b/c there really weren't that many produced compared to the high production civies.... and on top of that, the 240 isn't made anymore. Maintaining a 240 is also kinda pricey and so is the swap and conversions. Probobly and I hope that when these kids realize what they are getting into, they will stray away, b/c what it takes to make the 240 a great car is not its rice appeal, but the love for everything that we have found in this old KA powered Nissan cornering machine.

But hey, I whats all the hate about Dave Coleman and Josh Jacquot? Sure they are giving alot of attention to the 240s, but its not like anything ricey, these are things people who don't have internet will read and get alot of info from. These guys really do know their stuff and the two of them are regular competitors in rallying events (and from what i hear, they are pretty good at it too). They even work with the drifting god Steve Millen and the rest of his demi-god family. Sure they have alot of bullshit comments, and Dave needs to get rid of that picture of him pointing to an ITR but thats their opinion, they aren't trying to press it on anyone. Just like a newspaper column, people have their opinions and you agree and dis-agree with what they have to say. Its not because everyone is talking about the 240 that SCC is publshing columns on them, its because they have pretty much liked Nissan from the get-go. Read their first issue up till today, you can't find a single mag that doesn't mention Nissan in it. Ask that about Toyota or Subaru?

AKADriver · 10-02-2002, 02:34 PM

They choose topics and projects for their articles the same way we all choose our topics of conversation... They talk about what everyone else is talking about.

The devil here really isn't SCC. Ricers read it but guess what - so does everyone in this thread! Knowledgeable people pick it up too.

If you want to bash a magazine for overexposure/rice factor, talk about Import Tuna or Super Street. They've both run 240SX features complete with glaring technical inaccuracies (like publishing a backwards picture of an SR and calling it a KA!) and photo shoots with barely clothed models.

Tyler Durdan · 10-02-2002, 03:57 PM

SCC = good mag with knowledgeable stuff 90% of the time.
High-Rev Tuners on Speed Channel = Rice.

I agree with yoshi on the part about making a badass sleeper. My car will be completely stock on the outside minus rims and the front lip (which is kinda stock because it's a nissan part). It's under the hood that will get the attention and shine...sr soon to come. Just my .02.

By the way, I believe we should let every ricer know he's a ricer. Don't tell the guy "do what you like"...tell his ass he's a ricer and gay for being one. Anyone else backing me on this?

240SxTYLE · 10-02-2002, 04:39 PM

its funny how this topic has come up because the other day while i was driving i had two 240's pass me on the other side of the road, one right behind another ...i was like "HUH?!?!". i live in orlando and im damn sure that s13 and s14 are, or were, the rarest car on the streets... i've looked everywhere just to see how many 240's are around to buy and when i did my search the closest one i found was tampa... i dont know if you guys know this but orlando is a big city, to have to go 100+ miles out of town is shocking to me..

if there is one thing i've noticed about 240's is that alot of them are NOT riced out. i'd like to say its the surviving species in a dying race... but we will survive... viva la zilvia
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Chicken Magnet · 10-02-2002, 08:56 PM

damn!  All this RICE talk is making me hungry! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

AutoDestruct · 10-03-2002, 09:31 AM

Very hungry.  Time to go scarf some civic.    <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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SIEKER · 10-03-2002, 04:38 PM

rice-boys are funny. i'm just glad that 240s aren't riced out nearly as much as other cars (i think the accord takes the 1st place trophy of riceness).

It will be a sad day when i see a rice boy with a 240 and a big "VTEC" decal across the windshield!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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i'm ashamed to own a honda sometimes...hahaha

Nerfdude · 10-03-2002, 04:43 PM

actually, this works out, because now i can buy a second 240 with lower miles on it, wait a few weeks, and sell my '92 with 182000 miles on it for around 3 grand. rice-fucks'll eat it up, it's got a muffler on it!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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of course, i'm glad i haven't had time to get attached to my car... or else the thought of some ricer slapping APC banners on it and painting select parts of it's red exterior with yellow engine enamel would have me vomiting uncontrollably.

Woodie · 10-03-2002, 04:49 PM

bah, i don't even have a 240sx but im angry... I was going to get one (I'm extremely poor) soon now if ricers are starting to get them, the price will probably rise and i will have to buy a riced out crx that those kids are selling..... yay for me  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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SR20Fastback · 10-03-2002, 04:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tyler Durdan @ Oct. 02 2002,2:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, I believe we should let every ricer know he's a ricer. Don't tell the guy "do what you like"...tell his ass he's a ricer and gay for being one. Anyone else backing me on this?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Im down...

btw theres this kid in my auto tech class. I go to a diff school for this class, but anyways. He has the identical color of my car, except its a 93... Anyways he has just about everything you can in the engine painted blue. Hes got some ADRice rims, STREET GLOW!!! and then some other ghey shit. Painted silver interior, etc. This car licks my left nut. Then on top of it, everyday he tells me how hes gonna do the SR swap...

I wonder if he knows that drifting is?

KEIVmx · 10-03-2002, 05:15 PM

Fellow 240SX owners, don't get pissed off become some FF novice is throwing away their plastic Honda's for a 240SX.

Do you guys seriously think these ricers can drive an FR?
They'll just crash and burn...great for population control.

Things will work out in a positive way.
There is a reason why those ricers don't drive FR cars in the first place.

RedSuns · 10-03-2002, 05:26 PM

i have seen a SiR 240 before it was tiiiiiight.....NOT

SimpleS14 · 10-03-2002, 08:44 PM

hmm......you shouldn't really let this get you (well most of you).  People have been driving "riced out" 240s before they became popular and there is nothing you can do about it.  Just know there is not too many 240s around to become the next "Civic".

Have you guys ever thought about how the decent Civic owners feel?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

The only thing we should worry about is whether or not our cars will reach the top ten list of most stolen cars.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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<font size="1" color="#c0c0c0">sleep......i need sleep</font>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleeping.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzzz:'>

10-01-2002, 08:19 AM	#2
CoasTek240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,034 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i agree. it's both good and bad.. it does bring publicity as well as give 240 enthusiasts some respect. howevere every rice boy and their mom is buying a 240 now. i heard  a kid in pol sci class the other day tell his friend he finally sold his 2nd gen eclipse and he's gonna buy a "silvia" and do everything that they did in scc. now that's a goo dplan but i figure he'll do it a little diff. maybe with more stickers <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> well b4 u know it its going to be too hard to get a 240 and parts will become more expensive bc of the demand.. as well as more "cheap"(as in flimsy) well we'll see how is goes. i can just say i believe its the begining of the end

10-01-2002, 10:12 AM	#3
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I don't mean to come off as elitist, but fuck SCC.  The article was very good, and very thorough... the problem lies in the rice factor that follows the mag; a high level of rice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Our community would be better off without the publicity.  I've been trying to buy another s13, my wife and a friend of mine, as well as myself called over 80 used car lots within 200 miles of my house, and couldn't find a single 240 to even look at!  The popularity of the car being bought up by kids who are trading in their 91 CRX or civic is a lot bigger that you might think!  Props to SCC for doing the article right, but it's hurting the true enthusiasts. It's true that some of the new people jumping on the bandwagon WILL NOT be ricers, destroying our rapidly dwindling number of cars, but they'll by far be the minority.  As for more 3rd party manufacturers... wow, u mean I can finally get altezzas from APC for my 240? Weeeeeeee... all the crapass products from shite companies can continue to ignore nissan as a whole.  In fact I hope and pray they do. This rant is nothing new, and isn't going away, we can only do 1 of 3 things: ignore it, be part of it, or the path I'm taking... make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ www.360realms.com/S13-S15

10-01-2002, 01:43 PM	#5
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	C&D actually only got .83g from their '89 SE. They got .87g from a '95 SE, though. Still, all SCC's done to their car suspension-wise is add a set of pricey coils, fresh bushings, and fresh street rubber. I'm sure the 5lb or whatever they saved with the 300ZX uprights was truly worth the mention <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Honestly I don't mind their "Silvia" project as much as their Neon project. First they start with a craptastic rental special SOHC Neon, then they seem to pick the most expensive solution to each problem. Of course, their Neon project only exists to begin with because Mr. Coleman didn't do his research.

10-01-2002, 03:54 PM	#6
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This sucks for me, im gonna have to pay more money for a car, when I get one. If anyone wants to keep thier fastback stock and sell it to me in 6 months be my guest <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

10-01-2002, 04:13 PM	#7
Loren Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 344 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Oct. 01 2002,11:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> everyone knows that knowledge is half the battle __________________ And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini parti, E Fili, E Spiriti sancti.

10-01-2002, 08:00 AM	#1
AutoDestruct Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Burg, Harrisburg Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this but SCC just put out an article for project Silvia its 89 coupe with SR20 and it details in full the 5 lug knuckle and brake swap from a 300zx.  This same article also has them install a JIC Flt-A2 Threaded perch coilover system as well as bushings and lower control(trailing link) arms.  They also have tested it and claim a .92g on the skid pad.    This is a extremely useful article.     P.S. They also have phone numbers in the back as well as a section called doing it cheap(junkyard).  Bad press, good press I don't know.    Good for me though.

10-01-2002, 12:00 PM	#4
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree - too much attention.   FWIW, Don Nimi was over 1g w/ a lot less expensive hardware than than (tires and shocks, iirc).  .92 isn't too good considering C&D got .89, iirc, in 1989 on a bone stock weak tired car.

10-01-2002, 04:25 PM	#8
GTR240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah i saw the article, my friend and i were excited cuz we finally got some respect.  but then when i went driving i saw a couple riced out hondas and was like shit, our cars are going to be looking like that.  i am going to make signs and when i see a riced 240 i am going to put one on their car.   one good thing that they did was that now manufactors will take some notice of us.  and maybe the one that dont want to do a SR swap and hop up their Ka's.  so who knows.  but the rice is going to bother me. __________________ 1995 240sx Se w/ -polish AEM intake -Aerospeed front strut bar -Bosch platnium 4-tip -HKS Super Dragger exhuast -205/55ZR-16 Yokohama AVS-I

10-01-2002, 04:34 PM	#9
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Oct. 01 2002,11:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't mean to come off as elitist, but fuck SCC. The article was very good, and very thorough... the problem lies in the rice factor that follows the mag; a high level of rice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Our community would be better off without the publicity. I've been trying to buy another s13, my wife and a friend of mine, as well as myself called over 80 used car lots within 200 miles of my house, and couldn't find a single 240 to even look at! The popularity of the car being bought up by kids who are trading in their 91 CRX or civic is a lot bigger that you might think! Props to SCC for doing the article right, but it's hurting the true enthusiasts. It's true that some of the new people jumping on the bandwagon WILL NOT be ricers, destroying our rapidly dwindling number of cars, but they'll by far be the minority. As for more 3rd party manufacturers... wow, u mean I can finally get altezzas from APC for my 240? Weeeeeeee... all the crapass products from shite companies can continue to ignore nissan as a whole. In fact I hope and pray they do. This rant is nothing new, and isn't going away, we can only do 1 of 3 things: ignore it, be part of it, or the path I'm taking... make the most badass sleeper I can and blow away the ricers with speed, tuning, power and knowledge. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yoshi, I agree, but don't forget some of the good things to come with all this publicity.  I remember when I got my coupe 3 years ago...there was NOTHING out there.  Now there are tons of people selling exhausts, intakes, suspensions, performance parts, etc.  And you don't have to get raped paying for JDM pieces because a lot of the nice Japanese companies are opening up offices in the US.  I love that. I agree that rice is lame.  But rice has been here forever.  Have you seen all the CRAP sold for hot-rodders?  They buy the lame stuff too.  Truckers are worse about it.  They all have the lame headlight covers and Chevy bowtie tailpipes, and whatnot. Don't worry about what other people buy for their 240s.  Just be thankful that by having an industry, now we can actually get some parts for our cars.  It's nice being able to get coilovers for less than 3 grand.  Now if only I could convince Rays to sell wheels for cheap here. Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

10-01-2002, 04:37 PM	#10
fodive Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Age: 40 Posts: 548 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i agree w/eric, rice is someething that we're going to have to live with, so lets at least look at the benefits of the pulicity and take advantage of that __________________ roots.

10-01-2002, 06:09 PM	#11
gemoose23 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 01 2002,2:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">C&D actually only got .83g from their '89 SE. They got .87g from a '95 SE, though. Still, all SCC's done to their car suspension-wise is add a set of pricey coils, fresh bushings, and fresh street rubber. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Why do you think the JIC FLT-A2 is only a "pricey" set of coils? Isn't what SCC did what everyone does to their car? Just thinking they did an article where most 240sx owners can do the same mods......... __________________ GeMoose23 92 GSX 91 240sx 00 TL1000R

10-01-2002, 07:48 PM	#12
particleeffect Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 27 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	link please, i went over to scc but didn't have much luck and don't normaly read them. __________________ it doesn't need to work tomorrow, it just needs to win today.

10-01-2002, 08:01 PM	#13
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (particleeffect @ Oct. 01 2002,8:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">link please, i went over to scc but didn't have much luck and don't normaly read them.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> The articles don't go on site for a bit, usually a week or two after they hit newstands, usually the actual month the article is advertised. If you order the magazine you get it liek a month and a half early, pretty cheap, I might order SuperStreet (its got good pics <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> ) its only like 12 bucks a year. I am happy with the mag though, I liked how they did a small feature on a shop then a feature on the shops car (i.e. C-West, RX-7; Feast-Racing, S13; some other cars and such. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

10-01-2002, 09:47 PM	#14
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey, what's wrong with JIC FLT-A2s?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> while I agree that SCCs numbers on the skidpad seem somewhat low for a car with coilovers and tires, I think they happened to make a v. good choice of suspension. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> Or did you mean that you were unimpressed that that was the ONLY susp. mod they had (i.e. no rear upper arm, TC rods, traction rods, anti-sway, etc) and that it wasn't enough to get into a magazine? __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

10-02-2002, 07:30 AM	#15
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gemoose23 @ Oct. 01 2002,7:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do you think the JIC FLT-A2 is only a "pricey" set of coils?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> They're not JUST expensive, but they are expensive. My point was that the suspension's basically stock except for springs and dampers, and that I wouldn't expect a huge gain from that, especially since they're still on street rubber.  Nothing against the Azenis Sport, it's an awesome street tire.

10-02-2002, 08:02 AM	#16
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont think we are gonna have a rice problem b/c of that article.  look at the mods they did:  stuff you cant see!!  thats what ricer's are all about, what people see and think about their cars.  they may get coilovers for the drop (sure would be expensive just for a drop! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>), but not all those sweet endlinks.  they are like $300 for each set, and that adds up to almost a few grand in links!!  they wont do that.  they for one cant afford it, two it doesnt matter to them.  now they can copy the exaust, and if they are rich ricers, they can get the SR swapped in for them.  (hopefully they will so when the wreck i can salvage their engine for cheap! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>)  so thats why it shouldnt be a problem. __________________ HighTach Motorsports

10-02-2002, 08:51 AM	#17
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Does this mean that because of Dave Coleman's exposure of the tuning potential of the 240SX/Silvia, APC will finally make "euro tails" for my car.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> YES!!! I FINALLY GET MY RICE-BOY HIBACHI KILLER tail lights... Okay, bullshit aside. This means 2 things... 1) I can stop that asshole at the gas station from asking me stupid questions like "What kinda car is that?" or "Did they even MAKE those here?" and 2) I can NOW expect parts to skyrocket in price. Remember that the fact that more people WANT the car doesn't mean that Nissan provided the market with enough to go around. Factor in that 18 year old with a truckload of mommy-daddy money to blow on vinyl stickers and hood lights and that means that someone who actually gave a damn before the car ever saw run in a magazine will have to pay a premium for a car he could have gotten for hundreds or thousands less a year prior. Do I agree with what is happening? Yes and no... Yes, I like the fact that the car is becoming more popular and for some reason (or no apparent reason at all, depending on how you see it) our egos are padded when some rice-fuck says "hey, nice car." No in that I don't like the fact that the same aforementioned rice-fuck will sell his civic, keeping the vinyl, hoodlights and neon. This could all come to an end, however, with the assasination of Dave Coleman and the burning and looting of the SCC offices  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

10-02-2002, 12:23 PM	#18
flipboi13 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As people have mentioned before, its going to be alot harder for "ricers" to get into the 240 scene b/c there really weren't that many produced compared to the high production civies.... and on top of that, the 240 isn't made anymore. Maintaining a 240 is also kinda pricey and so is the swap and conversions. Probobly and I hope that when these kids realize what they are getting into, they will stray away, b/c what it takes to make the 240 a great car is not its rice appeal, but the love for everything that we have found in this old KA powered Nissan cornering machine. But hey, I whats all the hate about Dave Coleman and Josh Jacquot? Sure they are giving alot of attention to the 240s, but its not like anything ricey, these are things people who don't have internet will read and get alot of info from. These guys really do know their stuff and the two of them are regular competitors in rallying events (and from what i hear, they are pretty good at it too). They even work with the drifting god Steve Millen and the rest of his demi-god family. Sure they have alot of bullshit comments, and Dave needs to get rid of that picture of him pointing to an ITR but thats their opinion, they aren't trying to press it on anyone. Just like a newspaper column, people have their opinions and you agree and dis-agree with what they have to say. Its not because everyone is talking about the 240 that SCC is publshing columns on them, its because they have pretty much liked Nissan from the get-go. Read their first issue up till today, you can't find a single mag that doesn't mention Nissan in it. Ask that about Toyota or Subaru?

10-02-2002, 02:34 PM	#19
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	They choose topics and projects for their articles the same way we all choose our topics of conversation... They talk about what everyone else is talking about. The devil here really isn't SCC. Ricers read it but guess what - so does everyone in this thread! Knowledgeable people pick it up too. If you want to bash a magazine for overexposure/rice factor, talk about Import Tuna or Super Street. They've both run 240SX features complete with glaring technical inaccuracies (like publishing a backwards picture of an SR and calling it a KA!) and photo shoots with barely clothed models.

10-02-2002, 03:57 PM	#20
Tyler Durdan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Don't mess with Texas Posts: 546 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SCC = good mag with knowledgeable stuff 90% of the time. High-Rev Tuners on Speed Channel = Rice. I agree with yoshi on the part about making a badass sleeper. My car will be completely stock on the outside minus rims and the front lip (which is kinda stock because it's a nissan part). It's under the hood that will get the attention and shine...sr soon to come. Just my .02. By the way, I believe we should let every ricer know he's a ricer. Don't tell the guy "do what you like"...tell his ass he's a ricer and gay for being one. Anyone else backing me on this? __________________ "Pure adrenaline attached to a license plate.  Isn't it time to experience one yourself?"                           -Dan Gurney Turbo for Sale

10-02-2002, 04:39 PM	#21
240SxTYLE Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: orlando Posts: 290 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its funny how this topic has come up because the other day while i was driving i had two 240's pass me on the other side of the road, one right behind another ...i was like "HUH?!?!". i live in orlando and im damn sure that s13 and s14 are, or were, the rarest car on the streets... i've looked everywhere just to see how many 240's are around to buy and when i did my search the closest one i found was tampa... i dont know if you guys know this but orlando is a big city, to have to go 100+ miles out of town is shocking to me.. if there is one thing i've noticed about 240's is that alot of them are NOT riced out. i'd like to say its the surviving species in a dying race... but we will survive... viva la zilvia <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ Second love First Love (my girl, not the honda)

10-02-2002, 08:56 PM	#22
Chicken Magnet Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Modesto, Ca Age: 48 Posts: 176 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn!  All this RICE talk is making me hungry! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> __________________ '98 240SX Apex-i Dual N1 exhaust, Injen CAI, 17"OZ Racing Nova Wheels, Tein S-Tech Springs and KYB AGX Struts

10-03-2002, 09:31 AM	#23
AutoDestruct Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Burg, Harrisburg Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Very hungry.  Time to go scarf some civic.    <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

10-03-2002, 04:38 PM	#24
SIEKER Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	rice-boys are funny. i'm just glad that 240s aren't riced out nearly as much as other cars (i think the accord takes the 1st place trophy of riceness). It will be a sad day when i see a rice boy with a 240 and a big "VTEC" decal across the windshield!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> i'm ashamed to own a honda sometimes...hahaha

10-03-2002, 04:43 PM	#25
Nerfdude BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 495 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	actually, this works out, because now i can buy a second 240 with lower miles on it, wait a few weeks, and sell my '92 with 182000 miles on it for around 3 grand. rice-fucks'll eat it up, it's got a muffler on it!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> of course, i'm glad i haven't had time to get attached to my car... or else the thought of some ricer slapping APC banners on it and painting select parts of it's red exterior with yellow engine enamel would have me vomiting uncontrollably.

10-03-2002, 04:49 PM	#26
Woodie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bah, i don't even have a 240sx but im angry... I was going to get one (I'm extremely poor) soon now if ricers are starting to get them, the price will probably rise and i will have to buy a riced out crx that those kids are selling..... yay for me  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

10-03-2002, 04:52 PM	#27
SR20Fastback Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Bay Age: 40 Posts: 1,637 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tyler Durdan @ Oct. 02 2002,2:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, I believe we should let every ricer know he's a ricer. Don't tell the guy "do what you like"...tell his ass he's a ricer and gay for being one. Anyone else backing me on this?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Im down... btw theres this kid in my auto tech class. I go to a diff school for this class, but anyways. He has the identical color of my car, except its a 93... Anyways he has just about everything you can in the engine painted blue. Hes got some ADRice rims, STREET GLOW!!! and then some other ghey shit. Painted silver interior, etc. This car licks my left nut. Then on top of it, everyday he tells me how hes gonna do the SR swap... I wonder if he knows that drifting is? __________________ Fodive STILL blows goats, I have proof.

10-03-2002, 05:15 PM	#28
KEIVmx Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 68 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Fellow 240SX owners, don't get pissed off become some FF novice is throwing away their plastic Honda's for a 240SX. Do you guys seriously think these ricers can drive an FR? They'll just crash and burn...great for population control. Things will work out in a positive way. There is a reason why those ricers don't drive FR cars in the first place. __________________ &#12300;&#20693;&#12399;&#36208;&a mp;#12426;&#23627;&#12391;&#12399;&amp ;#12354;&#12426;&#12414;&#12379;&# 12435;&#12290;&#12301; <<http://kein.5u.com>>

10-03-2002, 05:26 PM	#29
RedSuns Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northern VA Age: 43 Posts: 1,865 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i have seen a SiR 240 before it was tiiiiiight.....NOT __________________ Johnathan 2005 Titan 1996 240SX 1991 240SX 1974 260Z 1996 Honda CBR 600 F3

10-03-2002, 08:44 PM	#30
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm......you shouldn't really let this get you (well most of you).  People have been driving "riced out" 240s before they became popular and there is nothing you can do about it.  Just know there is not too many 240s around to become the next "Civic". Have you guys ever thought about how the decent Civic owners feel?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'> The only thing we should worry about is whether or not our cars will reach the top ten list of most stolen cars.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> <font size="1" color="#c0c0c0">sleep......i need sleep</font>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleeping.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzzz:'> __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.