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zsimp · 11-26-2007, 09:26 PM

A friend of mine who just bought a 240 was looking around for frame rails, and he found a site that makes "over rails" for the old z cars. They said they might be looking into making them for 240sx's when he emailed them, but they want to see if there's any interest out there first. Post up here if your interested and I'll link them to this thread to show that there's interest.

Their site is:
www.baddogparts.com

nwmrkt · 11-26-2007, 09:28 PM

i think these would be great since nissan discountinued making the s13 frame rails (i think)

LongGrain · 11-26-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nwmrkt

i think these would be great since nissan discountinued making the s13 frame rails (i think)

nah, they didnt, the friend that the OP speaks of just bought new frame rails from the dealer also.

these would be nice for all those rusty 240's out there.

zsimp · 11-26-2007, 09:40 PM

it would definetly save a lot of "rust cancer" 240's, not only that but its a stiffer subframe than the stock one is so you'd notice a lil gain in ur overall chassis rigidity

satty07 · 11-26-2007, 09:43 PM

ok well i just happen to be that "friend." My original problem is that I have a hole in my frame rail on the passenger side that is about the size of a golfball i would say, and I cannot stand rust. So i just ordered a new set of rails for both sides, even though i only needed the one, just to be safe, and I have now contacted John at baddogparts.com about making a set of over rails just to make sure i never have this problem again. My plan is to replace the stock ones, put on the over rails, fill it with chassis stiffening foam, and seal it up with some rust preventive coating and hopefully never have to worry about them again. Overkill? Maybe. I just cant stand rust.

KA24DESOneThree · 11-26-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by satty07

I just cant stand rust.

Move.

Seriously.

luftrofl · 11-26-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by satty07

So i just ordered a new set of rails for both sides,

So... you ordered them straight from the dealer? What's the part #?

I have a similar problem and I'd like to get that fixed.

satty07 · 11-26-2007, 10:01 PM

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Quote: KA24DESOneThree
Originally Posted by satty07

I just cant stand rust.

Move.

Seriously.

I wish it was just that easy. I am in the process of buying a winter car as well because the 240 is my only means of transportation right now and I really dont want to winter it. I just want to fix this because its basically the only thing that needs attention on the car, the rest is basically perfect.

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Quote:luftrofl
Originally Posted by satty07

So i just ordered a new set of rails for both sides,

So... you ordered them straight from the dealer? What's the part #?

I have a similar problem and I'd like to get that fixed.

I ordered them from midwaypartsteam.com. 90.71 shipped for both. Nissan part # 75171-53F00 for the drivers side and passenger side is 75172-53F00 i believe. They call them extensions and not rails.

luftrofl · 11-26-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by satty07

I wish it was just that easy. I am in the process of buying a winter car as well because the 240 is my only means of transportation right now and I really dont want to winter it. I just want to fix this because its basically the only thing that needs attention on the car, the rest is basically perfect.

I ordered them from midwaypartsteam.com. 90.71 shipped for both. Nissan part # 75171-53F00 for the drivers side and passenger side is 75172-53F00 i believe. They call them extensions and not rails.

Wow cool. Thanks a lot!

steve_o1989 · 11-26-2007, 10:11 PM

That would be great if they did start reproducing.. or replicating the nissan frame rails. There would deffinatly be demand from the eastern Canada guys. They salt the shit out of the roads there in the winter and those cars really suffer.

Though you still may be able to get the frame rails through some places, they are infact discontinued. Some dealers will still try to get some in (that are still kicking around) but alot will just tell you that it is a discountinued part..tough luck.

satty07 · 11-26-2007, 10:15 PM

Well when I ordered them it said nothing about being discontinued or anything like that, so i guess ill just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they still have some. If not ill just patch the spot and then do the over rails.

PoorMans180SX · 11-27-2007, 12:22 PM

Snap some pics when you put them on, will you?

I don't know why, but I have never heard of ordering frame rails before. Seems like it would be common with the problems with rust 240's have. I'd like to see what this is all about.

*NemeGuero* · 11-27-2007, 12:27 PM

If they make them, they'll probably be over-priced. Why not just have it fixed at a custom fab shop? Cheaper fo sho.

IIIXziuR · 11-27-2007, 01:17 PM

Someone on Ziptied made something like this IIRC.
Was pretty cool cos it also acts as a reinforcement, somewhat

satty07 · 11-27-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

If they make them, they'll probably be over-priced. Why not just have it fixed at a custom fab shop? Cheaper fo sho.

Looking at his other products, they should be pretty reasonable. The other rails he makes are 65 a side. Pretty damn cheap in my book especially if it can save a car.

satty07 · 11-27-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

If they make them, they'll probably be over-priced. Why not just have it fixed at a custom fab shop? Cheaper fo sho.

Looking at his other products, they should be pretty reasonable. The other rails he makes are 65 a side. Pretty damn cheap in my book especially if it can save a car.

burnsauto · 11-27-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by satty07

I wish it was just that easy. I am in the process of buying a winter car as well because the 240 is my only means of transportation right now and I really dont want to winter it. I just want to fix this because its basically the only thing that needs attention on the car, the rest is basically perfect.

I ordered them from midwaypartsteam.com. 90.71 shipped for both. Nissan part # 75171-53F00 for the drivers side and passenger side is 75172-53F00 i believe. They call them extensions and not rails.

yeah can you snap a pic of the rails? are they the back portion of the rail only (..if you know..) everytime i see rotted rails...its always at the point when they curve up towards the firewall.

if the rails you ordered include that bend up to the firewall...i'd gladly order a set

if not...looks like im going to have to go with the original plan and cut out the rust/box in the rail.

EDIT: found some pics of the rails you get.

yaaaaaaaay!!

slideways2004 · 11-27-2007, 08:15 PM

so how do you exactly install these? do you have to remove everything from your chassis?? or do you just cut and weld?? do you have to worry about the actual car being lop-sided or anything??

*NemeGuero* · 11-27-2007, 08:27 PM

Still.. its probably cheaper to have a shop do them custom.

burnsauto · 11-27-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by slideways2004

so how do you exactly install these? do you have to remove everything from your chassis?? or do you just cut and weld?? do you have to worry about the actual car being lop-sided or anything??

these guys require cutting and welding. it would take someone with a decent amount of experience to do it correctly.

basically...if the rail isnt in that bad of shape....you might as well just fix the rust...

burnsauto · 11-27-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Still.. its probably cheaper to have a shop do them custom.

eh, depends. granted the custom work will be stronger....i've seen fixed frame rails go for 100 bucks for a patch job. ...but again...its all about where you go, and who you are.

pwhitersxs · 11-27-2007, 08:51 PM

Just because there is one big hole does not make both frame rails bad. Seriously, it takes 20 minutes to cut out a piece of steel and weld it into the hole. Buying new frame rails seems dumb to me. I think NemeGuero said it first, go to a custom fab shop. Cheapest and easiest fix.

And usually when there is one hole; there are more.

satty07 · 11-27-2007, 09:00 PM

Ok i know that the one rail is fine, but for 40 bux a piece, im just gonna do both and not have to worry about it. From what I can tell all i will have to do is grind/drill out the spot welds and weld the new ones in. I could be wrong, but i guess ill find out when I get to doing it. Im pretty sure I can figure it out. The hole I have isnt even that big, like 1.5 in round approximately. I just want it to be fixed for good and not have to worrk about it.

steve_o1989 · 11-28-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by satty07

Ok i know that the one rail is fine, but for 40 bux a piece, im just gonna do both and not have to worry about it. From what I can tell all i will have to do is grind/drill out the spot welds and weld the new ones in. I could be wrong, but i guess ill find out when I get to doing it. Im pretty sure I can figure it out. The hole I have isnt even that big, like 1.5 in round approximately. I just want it to be fixed for good and not have to worrk about it.

Good point, if you're going to do one you may as well do both. As for replacing them you are right, basically cut out the old spot welds and weld in the new rails. I need to do this with my rear passenger side rail. They are a little more pricey..something like $250. When I do that though it is going to be a bitch, I can gaurentee it. I think I may do the front ones aswell..Anyways good luck, and be sure to snap some before and afterpictures of the rails..maybe even a write-up

satty07 · 11-28-2007, 07:10 PM

Yea ill take some pics and probably do a write up of the whole process. Im just doing both of the front rails. One quick question tho, apparently there was a leaky master cylinder at one time, and it ate away some of the paint on the firewall, rail, and wheel well right under it. The rail has some very minor surface rust and the firewall is still clean, but the well right there is pretty well rusted. Is it possible to buy and replace that section? i searched online where i ordered my rails and could find the front half of the well but not the back. im thinkin im just going to half to cut a good one out of the yard.

steve_o1989 · 11-28-2007, 08:51 PM

I don't have the part numbers but it is under

Body parts
-Fender
-Structural components and rails
-Upper rail

www.onlyfactoryparts.com

satty07 · 11-28-2007, 08:56 PM

yea i saw that diagram but it looks like it just ends at the shock tower, i need the part between the tower and the firewall

ms!3 · 11-28-2007, 08:57 PM

for how many times i have hit my rails. i wouldnt mind overs.

LongGrain · 11-28-2007, 09:15 PM

save your money and buy a sweet steering wheel...

or even some tires for DD20...

who needs frame rails, honestly...

zsimp · 11-28-2007, 09:18 PM

wow ryan with posts like that, how do you get rep here? and quit sellin me steering wheels!

11-26-2007, 09:26 PM	#1
zsimp Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Omro, WI Age: 36 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	interest in over rails? A friend of mine who just bought a 240 was looking around for frame rails, and he found a site that makes "over rails" for the old z cars. They said they might be looking into making them for 240sx's when he emailed them, but they want to see if there's any interest out there first. Post up here if your interested and I'll link them to this thread to show that there's interest. Their site is: www.baddogparts.com

11-26-2007, 10:11 PM	#10
steve_o1989 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Regina, SK Age: 35 Posts: 541 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	That would be great if they did start reproducing.. or replicating the nissan frame rails. There would deffinatly be demand from the eastern Canada guys. They salt the shit out of the roads there in the winter and those cars really suffer. Though you still may be able to get the frame rails through some places, they are infact discontinued. Some dealers will still try to get some in (that are still kicking around) but alot will just tell you that it is a discountinued part..tough luck. __________________ 1997 240sx SE 1998 Frontier SE 1990 240sx Coupe - Sold 1992 Talon Tsi - Sold

11-27-2007, 12:22 PM	#12
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 37 Posts: 5,616 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Snap some pics when you put them on, will you? I don't know why, but I have never heard of ordering frame rails before. Seems like it would be common with the problems with rust 240's have. I'd like to see what this is all about. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

11-27-2007, 12:27 PM	#13
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	If they make them, they'll probably be over-priced. Why not just have it fixed at a custom fab shop? Cheaper fo sho. __________________

11-27-2007, 08:27 PM	#19
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Still.. its probably cheaper to have a shop do them custom. __________________

11-26-2007, 09:28 PM	#2
nwmrkt Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 155 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	i think these would be great since nissan discountinued making the s13 frame rails (i think)

11-26-2007, 09:40 PM	#4
zsimp Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Omro, WI Age: 36 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it would definetly save a lot of "rust cancer" 240's, not only that but its a stiffer subframe than the stock one is so you'd notice a lil gain in ur overall chassis rigidity

11-26-2007, 09:43 PM	#5
satty07 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carol Stream, IL Age: 36 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok well i just happen to be that "friend." My original problem is that I have a hole in my frame rail on the passenger side that is about the size of a golfball i would say, and I cannot stand rust. So i just ordered a new set of rails for both sides, even though i only needed the one, just to be safe, and I have now contacted John at baddogparts.com about making a set of over rails just to make sure i never have this problem again. My plan is to replace the stock ones, put on the over rails, fill it with chassis stiffening foam, and seal it up with some rust preventive coating and hopefully never have to worry about them again. Overkill? Maybe. I just cant stand rust.

11-26-2007, 10:15 PM	#11
satty07 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carol Stream, IL Age: 36 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well when I ordered them it said nothing about being discontinued or anything like that, so i guess ill just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they still have some. If not ill just patch the spot and then do the over rails.

11-27-2007, 01:17 PM	#14
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,655 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Someone on Ziptied made something like this IIRC. Was pretty cool cos it also acts as a reinforcement, somewhat

11-27-2007, 08:15 PM	#18
slideways2004 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Age: 38 Posts: 1,706 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so how do you exactly install these? do you have to remove everything from your chassis?? or do you just cut and weld?? do you have to worry about the actual car being lop-sided or anything??

11-27-2007, 08:51 PM	#22
pwhitersxs Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just because there is one big hole does not make both frame rails bad. Seriously, it takes 20 minutes to cut out a piece of steel and weld it into the hole. Buying new frame rails seems dumb to me. I think NemeGuero said it first, go to a custom fab shop. Cheapest and easiest fix. And usually when there is one hole; there are more. __________________ s13 sr20det

11-27-2007, 09:00 PM	#23
satty07 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carol Stream, IL Age: 36 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok i know that the one rail is fine, but for 40 bux a piece, im just gonna do both and not have to worry about it. From what I can tell all i will have to do is grind/drill out the spot welds and weld the new ones in. I could be wrong, but i guess ill find out when I get to doing it. Im pretty sure I can figure it out. The hole I have isnt even that big, like 1.5 in round approximately. I just want it to be fixed for good and not have to worrk about it.

11-28-2007, 07:10 PM	#25
satty07 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carol Stream, IL Age: 36 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yea ill take some pics and probably do a write up of the whole process. Im just doing both of the front rails. One quick question tho, apparently there was a leaky master cylinder at one time, and it ate away some of the paint on the firewall, rail, and wheel well right under it. The rail has some very minor surface rust and the firewall is still clean, but the well right there is pretty well rusted. Is it possible to buy and replace that section? i searched online where i ordered my rails and could find the front half of the well but not the back. im thinkin im just going to half to cut a good one out of the yard.

11-28-2007, 08:51 PM	#26
steve_o1989 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Regina, SK Age: 35 Posts: 541 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I don't have the part numbers but it is under Body parts -Fender -Structural components and rails -Upper rail www.onlyfactoryparts.com __________________ 1997 240sx SE 1998 Frontier SE 1990 240sx Coupe - Sold 1992 Talon Tsi - Sold

11-28-2007, 08:56 PM	#27
satty07 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Carol Stream, IL Age: 36 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea i saw that diagram but it looks like it just ends at the shock tower, i need the part between the tower and the firewall

11-28-2007, 08:57 PM	#28
ms!3 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Age: 35 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	for how many times i have hit my rails. i wouldnt mind overs.

11-28-2007, 09:15 PM	#29
LongGrain Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,741 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	save your money and buy a sweet steering wheel... or even some tires for DD20... who needs frame rails, honestly...

11-28-2007, 09:18 PM	#30
zsimp Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Omro, WI Age: 36 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow ryan with posts like that, how do you get rep here? and quit sellin me steering wheels!