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Rocko · 03-10-2008, 03:55 PM

Iv been doing some research here on Zilvia lately trying to get an idea of what would be the best suspension to go with to have good performance for competition in AutoX events. So far it looks like the best way to go for the most part is either a Koni/GC Setup or a set of KW coilovers judging by what alot of the more experienced guys say.

Which brings me to my question:

Both the Koni/GC and KW Coilover setups offer a limited amount of lowering. What would be the best Coilover setup to go with to get comparable performance to those setups while being capable of going lower when I want to?

From what iv read it sounds like the Tanabe Sevens might be the way to go. Does anyone have an opinion about how they compare in handling to the above mentioned suspensions or know of any other options that would meet my needs?

Thanks in advance guys

Cw

GabeS14 · 03-10-2008, 04:02 PM

there is a coilover thread (coilover thread to end it all)
you should post on there!

95KA-Turbo · 03-10-2008, 06:56 PM

The reason you can't slam your car on those suspensions is because the car can only go so low before it becomes hazardous to the function of the suspension - aka suspension travel.

Koni has a PDF file on their website that tells you where your optimum hight should be, I'd be willing to bet it is higher then I'd like my car to be, haha.

If there is a happy median I'd love to know what it is...although I was under the impression KWs went fairly low - they do on S2000s anyway.

Jgrand03 · 03-10-2008, 07:45 PM

i think i read max for s13s is 2.5in front 2.25 rear

240trainee · 03-10-2008, 07:46 PM

yea, KW's don't go low on S13 at all.

Decide what you want to do, be low, or have optimum suspension articulation.

LongGrain · 03-10-2008, 07:52 PM

if you want some good track coilovers, i have some ZEALs for sale. PM me if your interested.

Def · 03-10-2008, 09:17 PM

Veilside180sx's housings with Koni 8610/8611 - can go low, and get great dampers.

NI_YON_Zenki · 03-10-2008, 11:57 PM

Zeal /Functions are great "J.D.M" (road/track) options, my replacements shall the be the function B2 series, the Functions are well off, but I feel the street/ability will be more comfortable.Including dampening adjustment from servos (TEAS) or Cuscos - (They're suspension setups are great as well) EDFC. GT style setups are the way you will want to look toward tuning.

Q1/ is your 13 setup more for schooling soccer moms/pops, or schooling track officials?. .. .or BOTH!?

do you have the budget to have a set of KW's imported for a 13, I'm not positive I've ever seen a setup for nissans other than that of the 04+ lineup (350, G35maybe)

but functions are the bang for the high performance/longevity buck here stateside, HKS also has a good time attack series out now you can look into, I've got the '03 HKS Hypermax II system, 8/6? you have to look at convenience, repair options. Zeal has more dated track logs than Tanabe IMO. but are harder to locate for a decent price. Tanabe is right in torrance. Or you can Try TEIN from Downey, they got great repore for track time. I can figure they're close. 1970's or so w/ tanabe/TEIN 60's or so w/ Zeal/HKS.

make sure your chassis itself is up to the daunting task of controlling those High end dampening rates you're charging for. KW is ALMS BTCC etc! serious levels of development, pricey and well worth any chassis the system sits upon.

Rocko · 03-11-2008, 03:43 AM

Thanks for the advice guys I appreciate it.

Im willing to spend the cash on the KW's and judging by their price listing on 240sxmotoring they are within my budget

I understand fully that a slammed ride height is usualy not the answer for maximum performance. I just want the option to be able to slam the car if I ever want to.

I heard the JIC a1's have some decent performance and can give me the ride height adjustability I desire. any opinions on them?

I would have posted this in the suspension thread but it seemed like a new thread might be a good idea since it seemed there were others looking for better ride height adjustability with quality dampning and i couldn't really get a solid answer in my searches.

95KA-Turbo · 03-11-2008, 06:57 AM

I've got FLA2s...they're okay, they have way too much rebound though. It can be scary going fast on a bumpy off ramp, I haven't hit the rumble strip with this car yet so I am not sure how that would be. They're 10000 times better then the megans I had on my old car, but that is not saying much.

spool_sample · 03-11-2008, 08:07 AM

If you want something similar to KWs in terms of performance, you're going to need Koni 86xx or Yellows at the minimum. As Def said, go with veilside180sx's housings with the custom inserts.

AceInHole's car on veilside's 8611s up front and Yellows (I think) in the back:

Rocko · 03-11-2008, 07:09 PM

Ill have to look into those. I read about them in the suspenion thread but figured they would have the same height issues since they were on GC sleeves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spool_sample

If you want something similar to KWs in terms of performance, you're going to need Koni 86xx or Yellows at the minimum. As Def said, go with veilside180sx's housings with the custom inserts.

AceInHole's car on veilside's 8611s up front and Yellows (I think) in the back:

Def · 03-11-2008, 07:37 PM

Veilside's housings use a much shorter, better valved strut(8610 single adjustable, or 8611 double adjustable). They are custom housings made with a "race height" in mind. They are not like using a stock length Koni yellow and fighting with lack of suspension travel.

In summary - they are pimp.

Rocko · 03-11-2008, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

Veilside's housings use a much shorter, better valved strut(8610 single adjustable, or 8611 double adjustable). They are custom housings made with a "race height" in mind. They are not like using a stock length Koni yellow and fighting with lack of suspension travel.

In summary - they are pimp.

Not as much info on them in the search I did as I would have liked to have found. looks like he didnt make too many sets. I wonder why KW or someone doesnt just produce something like this in the first place...even if they just used yellows.....

spool_sample · 03-12-2008, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocko

Not as much info on them in the search I did as I would have liked to have found. looks like he didnt make too many sets. I wonder why KW or someone doesnt just produce something like this in the first place...even if they just used yellows.....

They're made to order. You'll have to wait a while once you pay, but it'll be worth it.

03-10-2008, 03:55 PM	#1
Rocko Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Louisville Ky Age: 38 Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	KW Performance but lower? Iv been doing some research here on Zilvia lately trying to get an idea of what would be the best suspension to go with to have good performance for competition in AutoX events. So far it looks like the best way to go for the most part is either a Koni/GC Setup or a set of KW coilovers judging by what alot of the more experienced guys say. Which brings me to my question: Both the Koni/GC and KW Coilover setups offer a limited amount of lowering. What would be the best Coilover setup to go with to get comparable performance to those setups while being capable of going lower when I want to? From what iv read it sounds like the Tanabe Sevens might be the way to go. Does anyone have an opinion about how they compare in handling to the above mentioned suspensions or know of any other options that would meet my needs? Thanks in advance guys Cw

03-10-2008, 04:02 PM	#2
GabeS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sin City Las Vegas Posts: 4,521 Trader Rating: (27) Rides Gallery: GabeS14 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	there is a coilover thread (coilover thread to end it all) you should post on there! __________________ E92 M3 19" wheels for sale///JWT Cams and Springs +30whp for sale... cheap.

03-10-2008, 07:46 PM	#5
240trainee Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 37 Posts: 3,861 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yea, KW's don't go low on S13 at all. Decide what you want to do, be low, or have optimum suspension articulation. __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

03-10-2008, 11:57 PM	#8
NI_YON_Zenki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 885 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Zeal /Functions are great "J.D.M" (road/track) options, my replacements shall the be the function B2 series, the Functions are well off, but I feel the street/ability will be more comfortable.Including dampening adjustment from servos (TEAS) or Cuscos - (They're suspension setups are great as well) EDFC. GT style setups are the way you will want to look toward tuning. Q1/ is your 13 setup more for schooling soccer moms/pops, or schooling track officials?. .. .or BOTH!? do you have the budget to have a set of KW's imported for a 13, I'm not positive I've ever seen a setup for nissans other than that of the 04+ lineup (350, G35maybe) but functions are the bang for the high performance/longevity buck here stateside, HKS also has a good time attack series out now you can look into, I've got the '03 HKS Hypermax II system, 8/6? you have to look at convenience, repair options. Zeal has more dated track logs than Tanabe IMO. but are harder to locate for a decent price. Tanabe is right in torrance. Or you can Try TEIN from Downey, they got great repore for track time. I can figure they're close. 1970's or so w/ tanabe/TEIN 60's or so w/ Zeal/HKS. make sure your chassis itself is up to the daunting task of controlling those High end dampening rates you're charging for. KW is ALMS BTCC etc! serious levels of development, pricey and well worth any chassis the system sits upon. __________________ "GHOST"

03-10-2008, 06:56 PM	#3
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	The reason you can't slam your car on those suspensions is because the car can only go so low before it becomes hazardous to the function of the suspension - aka suspension travel. Koni has a PDF file on their website that tells you where your optimum hight should be, I'd be willing to bet it is higher then I'd like my car to be, haha. If there is a happy median I'd love to know what it is...although I was under the impression KWs went fairly low - they do on S2000s anyway.

03-10-2008, 07:45 PM	#4
Jgrand03 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portland Age: 36 Posts: 359 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Jgrand03 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i think i read max for s13s is 2.5in front 2.25 rear

03-10-2008, 07:52 PM	#6
LongGrain Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,741 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	if you want some good track coilovers, i have some ZEALs for sale. PM me if your interested.

03-10-2008, 09:17 PM	#7
Def Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,701 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Veilside180sx's housings with Koni 8610/8611 - can go low, and get great dampers.

03-11-2008, 03:43 AM	#9
Rocko Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Louisville Ky Age: 38 Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for the advice guys I appreciate it. Im willing to spend the cash on the KW's and judging by their price listing on 240sxmotoring they are within my budget I understand fully that a slammed ride height is usualy not the answer for maximum performance. I just want the option to be able to slam the car if I ever want to. I heard the JIC a1's have some decent performance and can give me the ride height adjustability I desire. any opinions on them? I would have posted this in the suspension thread but it seemed like a new thread might be a good idea since it seemed there were others looking for better ride height adjustability with quality dampning and i couldn't really get a solid answer in my searches.

03-11-2008, 06:57 AM	#10
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I've got FLA2s...they're okay, they have way too much rebound though. It can be scary going fast on a bumpy off ramp, I haven't hit the rumble strip with this car yet so I am not sure how that would be. They're 10000 times better then the megans I had on my old car, but that is not saying much.

03-11-2008, 08:07 AM	#11
spool_sample Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 269 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: spool_sample Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you want something similar to KWs in terms of performance, you're going to need Koni 86xx or Yellows at the minimum. As Def said, go with veilside180sx's housings with the custom inserts. AceInHole's car on veilside's 8611s up front and Yellows (I think) in the back:

03-11-2008, 07:37 PM	#13
Def Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,701 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Veilside's housings use a much shorter, better valved strut(8610 single adjustable, or 8611 double adjustable). They are custom housings made with a "race height" in mind. They are not like using a stock length Koni yellow and fighting with lack of suspension travel. In summary - they are pimp.