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ESmorz · 07-09-2008, 04:10 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/...t_surveillance

Ugh, I can't believe they passed that so unanimously... well I can, but you know what I mean.

eastcoastS14 · 07-09-2008, 05:48 PM

holy fuck that is insane....its unbelievable that in an election year with the most unpopular president in US history on his way out of office, that the senate would give into passing a bill like this. The US constitution is getting completely steam rolled and its absolutely unbelievable that the fear of terrorist attacks would allow something like this to happen, I also cant believe that obama voted for this

in all seriousness this is pretty damn scary ...I sure as fuck dont wanna live under a govt with unchecked power, its only a matter of time before US citizens start getting disappeared

....We are becoming the USSR

ESmorz · 07-09-2008, 05:52 PM

My favorite part is that it exonerates Bush from all the wire tapping etc...

Seriously, dudes got balls to press a bill that saves his own ass from crimes he already committed.

BustedS13 · 07-09-2008, 06:37 PM

Andrew Bohan · 07-09-2008, 07:24 PM

maybe congress has a "yea yea whatever" attitude just to avoid static

then in january they'll undo all his crazy shit.

i hope

ESmorz · 07-09-2008, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Bohan

maybe congress has a "yea yea whatever" attitude just to avoid static

then in january they'll undo all his crazy shit.

i hope

Ha.

Not if this

Is going into

Or the other way around.

drift freaq · 07-09-2008, 07:30 PM

Oh, I am sure once the election is over, someone in congress will get lobbied by the ACLU and some constituents. They will write a new bill, to change what just got passed. This kind shit happens all the time in election years. There are still people that believe in freedom in Congress.

Oh and please no conspiracy theory they are taking away all our freedoms posts. Yes they have infringed on a few, no we are nowhere near a police state, so stop being paranoid.

svensko · 07-09-2008, 08:15 PM

It should be noted that Obama voted FOR this bill. What the hell?!

Mi Beardo es Loco · 07-09-2008, 11:13 PM

The senate will pass almost any bill if the word terra is stated by Bush. He has a hillbilly way with words. ridiculous.

OptionZero · 07-10-2008, 12:20 AM

I'm pretty sure we'll all still be able to drift after this, so why are we complaining?

Andrew Bohan · 07-10-2008, 12:26 AM

we are complaining because...

“In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

-Pastor Martin Niemoller

murda-c · 07-10-2008, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svensko

It should be noted that Obama voted FOR this bill. What the hell?!

Maybe because wiretaps are deemed necessary?

They failed to amend the immunity clause of the bill out, but the part that allowed them to continue wiretaps was still deemed necessary.

ESmorz · 07-10-2008, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Bohan

we are complaining because...

“In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

-Pastor Martin Niemoller

Amen.

I can't wait for the black baggers.

corwin · 07-10-2008, 01:11 AM

If they need wiretaps then they just need to get a damn warrant under the FISA court. But now, they can tap anymore for whatever reason they wish with no justification. Yea, because thats such a good idea...

unwed_transient · 07-10-2008, 01:29 AM

liberals in congress got you down? lol.

seriously though, read the article. most targets are not american citizens. there is a give and take with the new bill also with added restrictions and removed restrictions.

but who cares anyway? right? bush is the devil and can do no good. lol.

DohcKA · 07-10-2008, 11:28 AM

a nation with uncheck power is no good... where is the balance of power going to lie... man all this terrorist shit is bull they just wanna keep an eye on all americans... make us live with no privacy... soon enough we'll have no say

azndoc · 07-10-2008, 11:45 AM

Damn ain't this some shit.

Yeah.

Reminds me of another form of government.

SexPanda · 07-10-2008, 12:30 PM

SO just for fun now, im going to call up my friend Kashif Sadat and all im going to say are "whitehouse, bomb, plane, terror, allah, jihad, bush, kill, iran, nuclear, and giraffe"

Think I'll get a nasty text message from the pentagon? lol.

DOOK · 07-10-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

SO just for fun now, im going to call up my friend Kashif Sadat and all im going to say are "whitehouse, bomb, plane, terror, allah, jihad, bush, kill, iran, nuclear, and giraffe"

Think I'll get a nasty text message from the pentagon? lol.

I wouldn't suggest you do that... technically speaking that is a federal offense and you could end up in an off shore US prison being held for an undetermined time. yeah, bad idea.

hitman · 07-10-2008, 12:46 PM

way to go to all the "liberals" in congress
i dont know why people think obama is gonna do shit. look at the last elections in congress, lots of democrats won and now have the majority, everyone was like "oh sick this is gonna be good!" and nothing happened. get used to it.

azndoc · 07-10-2008, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

SO just for fun now, im going to call up my friend Kashif Sadat and all im going to say are "whitehouse, bomb, plane, terror, allah, jihad, bush, kill, iran, nuclear, and giraffe"

Think I'll get a nasty text message from the pentagon? lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOOK

I wouldn't suggest you do that... technically speaking that is a federal offense and you could end up in an off shore US prison being held for an undetermined time. yeah, bad idea.

ESmorz · 07-10-2008, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azndoc

Antihero983 · 07-10-2008, 02:23 PM

see ya! i'm heading to england. ill let you know where to send my cars to.

98s14inaz · 07-10-2008, 08:11 PM

Fear is the most powerful weapon ever. If you can scare the populace of sheeple then you can control them and pretty much do what you want in the name of "National Security".

98s14inaz · 07-10-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedEvilRPS13

see ya! i'm heading to england. ill let you know where to send my cars to.

England is more socialist than we are. You are sadly mistaken if you think you will have it better there.

murda-c · 07-10-2008, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

SO just for fun now, im going to call up my friend Kashif Sadat and all im going to say are "whitehouse, bomb, plane, terror, allah, jihad, bush, kill, iran, nuclear, and giraffe"

Think I'll get a nasty text message from the pentagon? lol.

Nah man, you have to call him and tell him NOT to blow up the whitehouse with a dirty bomb in order to assasinate the president.

DOOK · 07-10-2008, 08:27 PM

you guys think it's funny... lemme tell yah... when you end up with a black cloth bag over your head getting the hell beat out of you and having water torture as a means of death, don't call me to get your ass out of the sling, I told yah so.

S13_Nightkid · 07-10-2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman

way to go to all the "liberals" in congress
i dont know why people think obama is gonna do shit. look at the last elections in congress, lots of democrats won and now have the majority, everyone was like "oh sick this is gonna be good!" and nothing happened. get used to it.

Then who would be able to do the job? McCain?Ron Paul?hmmm endless possibilities.

back on topic. I really dont know why some of you are suprised this would happen.Good ol' Uncle Sam has been f'ed up for awhile. Being realistic. even if we do get a promising president(highly unlikely) we wont have the "instant gratification" the we want so much.

ESmorz · 07-10-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S13_Nightkid

Then who would be able to do the job? McCain?Ron Paul?hmmm endless possibilities.

back on topic. I really dont know why some of you are suprised this would happen.Good ol' Uncle Sam has been f'ed up for awhile. Being realistic. even if we do get a promising president(highly unlikely) we wont have the "instant gratification" the we want so much.

I don't think anyone is "surprised" it's just really gay that this has become the norm.

*radhaz* · 07-11-2008, 02:12 AM

It's hard not to get a little depressed if you sit and look at the path we (the US) are heading down. It's all too easy to become very polarized on these topics but in reality there's a tremendous amount of "grey area" that allows for too much ambiguity. I personally don't think that our current government is anything our founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution; however, too many people are ok with "status quo" and until a majority of people are not then no change will come.

Andrew, thank you for posting that Paster Niemoller quote I think i can safely say I am a better person for having read that.

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ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Way To Go Checks and Balances http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/...t_surveillance Ugh, I can't believe they passed that so unanimously... well I can, but you know what I mean. __________________

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ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	My favorite part is that it exonerates Bush from all the wire tapping etc... Seriously, dudes got balls to press a bill that saves his own ass from crimes he already committed. __________________

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svensko Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 444 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It should be noted that Obama voted FOR this bill. What the hell?! __________________ Respect begets respect.

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eastcoastS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: the land of snow potholes and no tracks Posts: 3,984 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	holy fuck that is insane....its unbelievable that in an election year with the most unpopular president in US history on his way out of office, that the senate would give into passing a bill like this. The US constitution is getting completely steam rolled and its absolutely unbelievable that the fear of terrorist attacks would allow something like this to happen, I also cant believe that obama voted for this in all seriousness this is pretty damn scary ...I sure as fuck dont wanna live under a govt with unchecked power, its only a matter of time before US citizens start getting disappeared ....We are becoming the USSR

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Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	maybe congress has a "yea yea whatever" attitude just to avoid static then in january they'll undo all his crazy shit. i hope

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Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	we are complaining because... “In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me — and by that time no one was left to speak up.” -Pastor Martin Niemoller

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corwin Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA Posts: 160 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If they need wiretaps then they just need to get a damn warrant under the FISA court. But now, they can tap anymore for whatever reason they wish with no justification. Yea, because thats such a good idea...

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unwed_transient Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 760 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	liberals in congress got you down? lol. seriously though, read the article. most targets are not american citizens. there is a give and take with the new bill also with added restrictions and removed restrictions. but who cares anyway? right? bush is the devil and can do no good. lol.

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DohcKA BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NorCal,East Bay Age: 37 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a nation with uncheck power is no good... where is the balance of power going to lie... man all this terrorist shit is bull they just wanna keep an eye on all americans... make us live with no privacy... soon enough we'll have no say

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