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**RJF** · 10-20-2008, 03:35 PM

DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT - New York Post

SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of Congress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast radio, the one medium they dominate.

Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't seek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airtime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Gore - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness."

Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted one? It's doubtful.

The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting power for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democratic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on radio and TV.

Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the dial. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura Ingraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But liberals don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed all other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely trim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones.

Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulators measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage?

murda-c · 10-20-2008, 03:38 PM

so if i had a viewpoint that i wanted to say fuckshitassbitchcumpussygooch on the radio i'd get to say it?

but seriously wtf that sounds like a shitty idea.

The FCC is bigger than it should be as it is.

vodka2 · 10-20-2008, 03:40 PM

i hope barack wins .. even if people dont like black people .. lets see what he can do .. it'll be history im amazed that he hasnt got sniped down yet .. if you go out n vote please vote for barack .. i wish i could.

jrocslider · 10-20-2008, 03:40 PM

why do you always post threads that are negative towards Barack Obama and the democratic party?

where are the negative republican threads at? we all know how smart and experienced Sarah Palin is

ESmorz · 10-20-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrocslider

we all know how smart and experienced Sarah Palin is

Better watch what you say.

Or you'll end up

When she becomes President in 2012.

murda-c · 10-20-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrocslider

why do you always post threads that are negative towards Barack Obama and the democratic party?

where are the negative republican threads at? we all know how smart and experienced Sarah Palin is

because any idiot can see that stuff.

Has Obama said anything about his views on the fairness doctrine?

shishcabobers · 10-20-2008, 04:03 PM

Icy13 · 10-20-2008, 05:15 PM

^^

I salute the repost. (the Video, the thread topic otherwise is pretty much shit and not worth explaining)

Icy13 · 10-20-2008, 06:18 PM

unless they are advocating government ownership akin to the soviet union, it aint socialism people. Socialism is what china, the USSR and north vietnam HAD, yes HAD. There is no country in the world that is socialist in the sense that keeps being mentioned. Even Hugo Chavez isnt really a socialist (what he is is unclear, but we will see after the oil wealth drys up...)

what you meant to say is social democratic and england, second only to ireland, is probably the worst example in the world. Fuck our anglocentrism. England does not represent europe by both their own and european admission.

if you had family members live there, were they citizens? did they have jobs? what sort? more important why did it suck? I am pretty sure is someone came to this country from europe and lived the way we treat most latin american immigrants they wouldnt have kind things to say about us. We probably shouldnt have kind things to say about us either.

My point is that you really need to be born and grow up in a regime to understand it or invest serious effort in attempting to understand it. Going there on business or as a troop deployment certainly will not give you an acurate representation of the situation (because you arent living like a normal citizen, Parts of life are closed to you. If you think this is wrong, try to vote in england

)

oh, and because it is fun:

ranger240 · 10-22-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrocslider

why do you always post threads that are negative towards Barack Obama and the democratic party?

where are the negative republican threads at? we all know how smart and experienced Sarah Palin is

wow your post indirectly supports the fairness doctrine and you didnt even notice that

az_240 · 10-20-2008, 03:45 PM

*starts chanting*

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

Matej · 10-20-2008, 05:16 PM

Yes, less annoying backwards politics talk shows infesting the airwaves.

Icy13 · 10-20-2008, 05:19 PM

and

I like Colin Powell more than RJF

Havent met either so I guess I could be wrong about both though...

Walperstyle · 10-28-2008, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy13

I like Colin Powell more than RJF

Havent met either so I guess I could be wrong about both though...

Powell? Is he not the guy that helped stop the Gulf War the first go-around? back when there was a reason to go in and finish the job? Would have been far better off to have the support back then in the 90's to do the full counter-attack and take them out then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

In 2,000 years people will look back and say "that was the united states. They were a great country. But the citizens got complacent. They fell apart, got invaded, and became the country you live in today. No go finish your soylent green and pray to Mecca."

You mean to Buddah? lol China is already the superpower it needs to be. It'll figure out how to throw circut boards into aircraft one day and they'll have a descent air superiority for 1/8 the price lol

HalveBlue · 10-28-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

You mean to Buddah?

No, the OP was referring to the fact that Islam is the second largest and fastest growing religion on earth. In, fact, Islam is growing so rapidly - mostly due to birth rates found in Muslim countries than conversions - that it's set to become the largest religion here eventually.

According to Tytler, all great civilizations go through similar cycles, which he proposed to be as follows:

* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.

IF we assume Tytler's theory to be correct, where does that place our current generation along the time scale?

98s14inaz · 10-28-2008, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalveBlue

No, the OP was referring to the fact that Islam is the second largest and fastest growing religion on earth. In, fact, Islam is growing so rapidly - mostly due to birth rates found in Muslim countries than conversions - that it's set to become the largest religion here eventually.

According to Tytler, all great civilizations go through similar cycles, which he proposed to be as follows:

* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.

IF we assume Tytler's theory to be correct, where does that place our current generation along the time scale?

* From complacency to apathy; <---We're here now.
* From apathy to dependence; <---We'll be here with a socialist president.

**Phlip** · 10-28-2008, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

* From complacency to apathy; <---We're here now.
* From apathy to dependence; <---We'll be here with a socialist president.

We'll be there with a president who borrows money from China to keep us at war as well.
Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other, but we can NOT let a minority lead us into ruin, so we MUST STOP BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!

jrocslider · 10-20-2008, 05:23 PM

shows how fucken ignorant people are. reminds me of the videos i've seen on the worthless klan.

its as if the republican party is perfect with nothing negative to post about them.

all the political threads that RJF has posted have been negative towards the democratic party but nothing at all about the republicans.

why is that?

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrocslider

shows how fucken ignorant people are. reminds me of the videos i've seen on the worthless klan.

its as if the republican party is perfect with nothing negative to post about them.

all the political threads that RJF has posted have been negative towards the democratic party but nothing at all about the republicans.

why is that?

He's an admin. Don't like it go post somewhere else.

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT - New York Post

SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of Congress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast radio, the one medium they dominate.

Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't seek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airtime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Gore - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness."

Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted one? It's doubtful.

The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting power for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democratic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on radio and TV.

Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the dial. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura Ingraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But liberals don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed all other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely trim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones.

Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulators measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage?

I agree, I don't trust him or his party to not abuse that power. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with his track record. That and Pelosi is a cunt. No party deserves that much power.

Sil-Eighty SE-K · 10-20-2008, 05:41 PM

as long as i dont loose my 2nd amendment!

**RJF** · 10-20-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sil-Eighty SE-K

as long as i dont loose my 2nd amendment!

That'll be next.

Remember we're supposedly "bitter" and "cling to our guns and religion"

JeremyR · 10-20-2008, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

Remember we're supposedly "bitter" and "cling to our guns and religion"

every been to hicksville nowhere in the bible belt?? THATS ALL THEY DO

"real men love jesus" bumper sticker right next to the gun rack in the back of the truck.

stores all closed on sundays.
gun shops on every street.

HAH.

and i LOVE the fact republicans always bring up terrorists or terror as a way to scare people. and i love the fact they always refer to the news as "the liberal media" when rupert murdoch, ceo of news corp. AND A REPUBLICAN owns most of the worlds media outlets.
News Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there's a list of everything he controls. how ignorant do you have to be to not see that the repubs control most media in the united states. rupert murdoch, an australian, runs the media and our country. he can put whatever the hell he wants on the news, and most of the retards in this country would believe it! they do anyway. american politics are corrupted, dems and repubs. believe me, if i ahd the money and a job in a different country i would move in a heartbeat. canada, england, australia, wherever. people need to stop acting like america is the best country in the world and that capitalisim is so great. its capitalisim and closeminded thinking that got america so fucked up in the first place.

**RJF** · 10-20-2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdarkrune

people need to stop acting like america is the best country in the world and that capitalisim is so great. its capitalisim and closeminded thinking that got america so fucked up in the first place.

OK, name a better country.

And if we are so f!@^&d up, why does everyone in the world want to come here?

cc4usmc · 10-20-2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

OK, name a better country.

And if we are so f!@^&d up, why does everyone in the world want to come here?

I hate posts like this. You're pretty much saying as long as we're better then the rest, it's ok. This country might be an improvement for others, but what about us?

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdarkrune

every been to hicksville nowhere in the bible belt?? THATS ALL THEY DO

"real men love jesus" bumper sticker right next to the gun rack in the back of the truck.

stores all closed on sundays.
gun shops on every street.

HAH.

and i LOVE the fact republicans always bring up terrorists or terror as a way to scare people. and i love the fact they always refer to the news as "the liberal media" when rupert murdoch, ceo of news corp. AND A REPUBLICAN owns most of the worlds media outlets.
News Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there's a list of everything he controls. how ignorant do you have to be to not see that the repubs control most media in the united states. rupert murdoch, an australian, runs the media and our country. he can put whatever the hell he wants on the news, and most of the retards in this country would believe it! they do anyway. american politics are corrupted, dems and repubs. believe me, if i ahd the money and a job in a different country i would move in a heartbeat. canada, england, australia, wherever. people need to stop acting like america is the best country in the world and that capitalisim is so great. its capitalisim and closeminded thinking that got america so fucked up in the first place.

That is an exaggeration. I've lived in Tennessee and Alabama and it isn't that bad. Yes they are hicks but those people are the backbone of our country. Good people. A few douchbags don't represent an entire population. It's like me saying all minorities steal cars.

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sil-Eighty SE-K

as long as i dont loose my 2nd amendment!

That's the thing, if you make one amendment "obsolete" or "invalid" you pretty much do that to the rest of them. Remember this quote while you enjoy your police state with in the next 10 years... "an unarmed citizen is a subject."

imotion s14 · 10-22-2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sil-Eighty SE-K

as long as i dont loose my 2nd amendment!

You know that's next.

spikNspan · 10-20-2008, 05:45 PM

I hate all you republicans, yes ALL OF YOU!

Matej · 10-20-2008, 05:51 PM

Screw the Constitution.
Yes I said it.
I can't believe people in 2008 want to live by a document written over 200 years ago, back when times were completely different and it was written to suit the needs of the people of that time.
The Constitution is obsolete and needs to be overhauled. Even though I definitely do not trust the current government to rewrite it.

10-20-2008, 03:35 PM	#1
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There goes the First Ammendment DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT - New York Post SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of Congress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast radio, the one medium they dominate. Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't seek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airtime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Gore - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness." Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted one? It's doubtful. The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting power for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democratic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on radio and TV. Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the dial. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura Ingraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But liberals don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed all other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely trim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones. Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulators measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage? __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

10-20-2008, 03:38 PM	#2
murda-c Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery County, MD Age: 36 Posts: 3,198 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	so if i had a viewpoint that i wanted to say fuckshitassbitchcumpussygooch on the radio i'd get to say it? but seriously wtf that sounds like a shitty idea. The FCC is bigger than it should be as it is. __________________

10-20-2008, 03:40 PM	#4
jrocslider Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: DownSouth Age: 38 Posts: 1,344 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: jrocslider Feedback Score: 4 reviews	why do you always post threads that are negative towards Barack Obama and the democratic party? where are the negative republican threads at? we all know how smart and experienced Sarah Palin is __________________

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jrocslider Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: DownSouth Age: 38 Posts: 1,344 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: jrocslider Feedback Score: 4 reviews	shows how fucken ignorant people are. reminds me of the videos i've seen on the worthless klan. its as if the republican party is perfect with nothing negative to post about them. all the political threads that RJF has posted have been negative towards the democratic party but nothing at all about the republicans. why is that? __________________

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vodka2 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los angeles Posts: 1,177 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	i hope barack wins .. even if people dont like black people .. lets see what he can do .. it'll be history im amazed that he hasnt got sniped down yet .. if you go out n vote please vote for barack .. i wish i could.

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Icy13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 308 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: Icy13 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	^^ I salute the repost. (the Video, the thread topic otherwise is pretty much shit and not worth explaining)

10-20-2008, 06:18 PM	#9
Icy13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 308 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: Icy13 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	unless they are advocating government ownership akin to the soviet union, it aint socialism people. Socialism is what china, the USSR and north vietnam HAD, yes HAD. There is no country in the world that is socialist in the sense that keeps being mentioned. Even Hugo Chavez isnt really a socialist (what he is is unclear, but we will see after the oil wealth drys up...) what you meant to say is social democratic and england, second only to ireland, is probably the worst example in the world. Fuck our anglocentrism. England does not represent europe by both their own and european admission. if you had family members live there, were they citizens? did they have jobs? what sort? more important why did it suck? I am pretty sure is someone came to this country from europe and lived the way we treat most latin american immigrants they wouldnt have kind things to say about us. We probably shouldnt have kind things to say about us either. My point is that you really need to be born and grow up in a regime to understand it or invest serious effort in attempting to understand it. Going there on business or as a troop deployment certainly will not give you an acurate representation of the situation (because you arent living like a normal citizen, Parts of life are closed to you. If you think this is wrong, try to vote in england ) oh, and because it is fun:

10-20-2008, 03:45 PM	#11
az_240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phx Posts: 3,097 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	starts chanting OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

10-20-2008, 05:16 PM	#12
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Yes, less annoying backwards politics talk shows infesting the airwaves.

10-20-2008, 05:19 PM	#13
Icy13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 308 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: Icy13 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	and I like Colin Powell more than RJF Havent met either so I guess I could be wrong about both though...

10-20-2008, 05:51 PM	#30
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Screw the Constitution. Yes I said it. I can't believe people in 2008 want to live by a document written over 200 years ago, back when times were completely different and it was written to suit the needs of the people of that time. The Constitution is obsolete and needs to be overhauled. Even though I definitely do not trust the current government to rewrite it.