Have a couple questions about this LSD

[drift into a curb]

This one




Is it supposed to be bent like that?


Also, I will be, er I mean the person with this LSD will be running Redline 75w-90 gear oil. I've been reading up and I see that people have used the factory 80w-90, Redline 80w-140, etc. What types of gear oil are you guys using? Oh yeah, open differential for life

[Dousan_PG]

iirc that's for ABS equipped cars

[adey]

It looks like it would be for ABS, or some other type of sensor (probably came off a HICAS car). As for the bend, I can't say.
Is that "just" a VLSD, or is there something more sinister in there? >=)

[mrmephistopheles]

No. That's just a vent tube, similar to the one on the transmission. It's supposed to bent.

[drift into a curb]

Thanks for the input. When I saw other pictures of VLSDs, that vent was closed off, so I wasn't sure. Adey, I heard somewhere that it had a Tomei T-Trax 2way in it. I guess we'll find out if its true or not when we install it this weekend. Oh yeahhhhh

[orange-grey]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if its just a VLSD, when you turn one shaft by hand it should take a second or two for the fluid to warm and get the other shaft spinning. I've never had a VLSD, but from what I've read this sounds like what should happen. I know for a fact if it has a clutch type LSD the two shafts will feel like they're solidly connected, since that's what mine felt like. Hope for you its a clutch-type. If it is, I reccomend Redline 80W-140.

[drift into a curb]

75w-90 won't cut it? Aaron, I read somewhere you were running Redline 75w-90 with your mechanical. If so, did you run in to any problems?

orange-grey, what lsd do you have and how is it?

[Dousan_PG]

yeah i USED it. and its PERFECTLY safe

i use 80/140 now. extra protection.


remember, with LSDs you have to change fluids REGULARLY. around every 3,000 imho. thats about 20 bucks each change. get a pump too to put the fluid in.

[adey]

Before I buy any fluid, how much do the R200 diffs hold? I don't want to buy too little then risk frying my LSD...

[95Blue240sx]

if you have a VLSD i dont think you need to change fluid that often. from what ive read the VLSD fluid has its own chamber and is seperate from the main one. so theres no need to use gear oil with the lsd additive.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by adey
Before I buy any fluid, how much do the R200 diffs hold? I don't want to buy too little then risk frying my LSD...

damn just call me dude
2 quarts will do it. redline 80w140
go buy it. now. see you later today

[drift into a curb]

It's about 1.5 when it starts overflowing but yeah, you'll need 2qts Did anyone run in to any problems getting the bolts off the driveshaft? aww man, I've been working on those bolts since all night yesterday. Only got 2 and 1 of them stripped that I have to drill out. Another, I tried, but left it soaking in PB blaster. What are guys using to open it? 14mm wrench? I can't fit my ratchet under there, if I could I could easily open that bolt.. All I have to say is that PB stuff is magic That can looks like a cartoon, but it works. Six more bolts and the LSD should be on.

[orange-grey]

I don't know what kind of LSD I have since I bought it from Phase2 under the presumption it was just a used VLSD. When I started driving it around town however it was making all the typical clicking/clunking/tire dragging noises like some the clutch LSDs I've heard, so I guess I lucked out. I emailed Phase2 to try to find out where they got it but never got a reply. I'm assuming its a 1 or 1.5 way since the car is only hard to turn or noisy when I'm on the throttle. I've tried a lot of light oils including Kaaz to try to quiet the damn thing down, but the thick Redline has worked best so far. If yours is pretty quiet you can use light stuff without a problem, though.

[andrave]

when I unboltd my driveshaft, I put a really big, really long screwdriver though the slots and that way when I turned the bolts the screwdriver wedged against the floor pan and didn't turn. Then I just used a ratchet to get the bolts off, though I had to really yank on it to loosen em up. Use some loctite when you put em back on, especially if you sprayed pb blaster.

[drift into a curb]

Anyone else getting clunking/tire dragging at low speed turns besides me? I don't know it's strange. Sometimes it clunks, sometimes it's quiet. Is it some kind of phantom LSD? (No not the Phanton Grip LSD lol). Currently I'm runniny some Valvoline Synthetic 80w-90 because my shipment of Redline hasn't come in yet. I don't think the differential was broken in correctly, as its still clunking. Is their any problems of me trying to break it in again according to Kaaz's directions running figure 8s?

[Dousan_PG]

ack! bro you didnt read up on LSDs!

they clunk, skip, make noises
espeically clutch LSDs

its normal
you can get some additive that will quiet it down. redline supposively has it mixed in. my friend uses mopar ones in his Nismo and that keeps it pretty darn quiet

it will make noise.

what type of LSD is it you have??

edit: yes you can break it in as listed on the Kaaz site, its OK! safe to do it that way! dfeinately.

[adey]

I believe he has a Tomei... as (I think) stated earlier up in the post.
As for noise, my LSD is the same; sometimes it clunks, sometimes the tires whisper to me, sometimes it clunks and squeals, and sometimes I get nothing at all! Your LSD sounds just like mine... we must both have tomeis. I actually don't know if I have a Tomei or a Nismo, but what the heII, right? As long as it does its job!

As for breaking the driveshaft bolts... I stripped one slightly, but the other 3 came off easily with PB blaster. For the stripped one, I just used a 14mm wrench on the supposedly 'locked' in place side (where it partially stripped.)
For the halfshafts/axles, I used PB blaster first, a socket wrench to hold them in place (so that the axles wouldn't rotate; simlar to using a screwdriver, except I just put the 14mm socket + wrench on , and let it "hit" or "rest" against the chassis/subframe) while I used a 14mm wrench linked with another wrench to break them.
For tightening these, I couldn't fit a torque wrench down there, so I just took two 14mm wrenches, turning them in opposite directions to hand-tighten it to a snug fit... hopefully in the 45Nm area.

Lots of fun, putting LSD and axles on. Altogether, it took me almost 10 hours. Probably about 8 to 81/2 hours of true under-the-car work including break in, and change of fluid (after break-in).

[Dousan_PG]

and i might add
i helped too on adey's install!! hahaha

seriously
everyone i talked w/ said he did GREAT out there on sunday! i didnt get a chance to see you bud, but im sure you were tearing it up. let me know if you need a larger steering wheel, you can use/try my 350mm old momo one. it might make drifting/sliding around/donuts/etc etc a lot easier for control and input.


anyways....
adey dotn forget to change your fluid every 2500-3000 miles.i change mine every other event on average. more track use means more changes imho. just to be safe ad keep it alive. it likes new fluid too. better response and such imho.

[adey]

Yes, you helped a lot!! I owe both you and danny a lot for all the help and advice that you've given me, and for putting up with all my bitching and indecisiveness!

I'm curious as to who you talked to who said I did "great"... other than Danny and Janet, I'm not aware of anyone else out there who even knew who I was! Next event though (DD5!!), I will prove to you just how un-amazing I am. And although you didn't see me, I saw you! Greeeaattt stuff man. I don't know if I'll ever get to the level that I'll be able to break FM901s loose out back and maintain such long, fast drifts!

As for steering wheel, I appreciate the offer, but I like my momo! Of course, I will have to change it (before next event, I hope) so my arms don't get so tired and so I can be more precise in my control, but I have two particular momo wheels in mind (either of which) I'd love to get my (grubby) hands on. =D
I don't suppose you have any hookups with momo stuff, do you?

[drift into a curb]

Good to hear you did great on sunday Adriel. How'd you do at the event Aaron? Well, it's nice that I'm not alone on the noise racket!! I think I'm gonna try breaking it in tonight and hopefully my gear oil shipment will come today, so I can change the fluid from the crap Valvoline. Sucks I couldn't make it out to the drift showoff. I was working on my car. It was all worth it!!! Yes, Adriel, it gets the job done Took me 15 hours due to lack of a good set of tools.

[Dousan_PG]

nah i got nothing steering wheel wise

next time you gotta ride in my car!! i'll show a few things that might help you understand drifting more and get you going faster and harder and keep those FM901s loose back there!

there were a few othrs who know you and watched you. i forget their names cuz i have horrible times with names and faces, but it was mentioned.i asked others too, "did you see that guy how's he doing?" type stuff. you'd be amazed how many people watchd. your car is....interesting hahahaha

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by drift into a curb
. How'd you do at the event Aaron?

jspec, ny_jee, grant, dorifto180sx, danny janet adriel..blah blah blah etc etc etc said i did great.

sam said i need to go slide (power slide) more and louder car. meaning get a new exhaust. but i will sooon

also going to put my other car project on a slight hold get my car repainted and a body kit. the -4 in the back for camber did great and the car not only handled wonderfully (stock sway bars! no more whitelien) but i learned a few more techiques (thanks dorifto) and ways to go nuts out there. april 6th i'll be doing a few new things w/ the car to keep it "interesting" when i drift hahaha..

[drift into a curb]

I went to go drain my diff. oil after break-in (which was quite fun by the way) and the rear cross member is blocking the fill plug. So when I go to use a torque wrench, it won't fit under there. Any suggestions? Extensions? I don't have extensions for 1/2" right now, but will have to go check it out tomorrow.

[adey]

heh... that filler plug is a PAIN to get off!! You'll need a 1/2" drive breaker bar, or 1/2" extension to fit in there... and even then, it takes a while. It's much faster after you've broken it loose, though.

Aaron was killing it out there! When I saw his run for the competition (right after lunch) I was seriously like "wait a second, isn't that Aarons car?... What's he doing alone out on the track, and did he just manji (?) down that straight!?!?" Good stuff!

Thanks for all the kind words that have been said about my driving, I have soooo much more to learn. To those I met that day: Lindsey, Mike, Mike, Chris (shinchu), Janets friends, and all the others whose names I don't remember... it was good meting you and I look forward to seeing you at DD5! ]

LSD install... took me and dousan and danny about 8 hours... 10 hours including break-in and fluid change. *pworrrh* That was some tiring stuff. In fact, some of my muscles are still sore from it! (no kidding!) Actually I did most of it myself, up to the point where we dropped the open diff and replaced the axles; that's when danny and aaron and andy (another friend) came to my rescue.

Oh, and to anyone who plans on changing their axle(s)... rent an axle puller; it makes all the difference!

[drift into a curb]

Adey, your axles had gone bad? Well that's not bad for 8-10 hours. Good thing you had help. I had my brother help me out with dropping it and maneuvering the sucker. Anyway, just finished my fluid change. My $5 siphon was crap, I ended up rigging a funnel. It worked to my amazement. hah oh well, to school I go. I missed Japanese at 1:30. sh:tsurei shimasu.

[adey]

My axles didn't go bad, I just didn't have access to USDM flanges like you did. (Your LSD sideshafts have the 3 tab, 6 bolt pattern which fits USDM axles... I had JDM 5 tab 5 bolt star flanges on my LSD, so I had to change my axles to 5 bolt stars as well.)

I guess we did do it pretty fast, but that, again, is attributed to the infinite resources regarding S13s that are made up by Danny and Aaron's heads. They know pretty much *everything* about our cars!

[drift into a curb]

ohh gotcha. I need to find some infinite resources for my s14. hmm..