SI hanging with a s14? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

DC5 · 03-20-2003, 10:47 PM

Buddy of mine is insistent that a s14 240sx (KA24DE) is definately faster than a 99-00 6th gen Civic SI. I think it's mostly a drivers race with the advantage going to the civic.

I like s14s and all, but i'm pretty sure that in stock form, the SI is a lil faster.
My friend will only listen to the opinions of zilvia.net. What do you guys think?

Potatoskins02 · 03-20-2003, 10:51 PM

i guess i'd have to believe that... what you are saying that is (Si being a little faster) I haven't raced one at a track yet but my friends SI was running a 15.5/6 qtr mile stock while i was running 16.03/3 ... but i have an s13 with an open diff so I can't say for s14's.

SilviaDriver · 03-20-2003, 10:51 PM

numbers for numbers the Si will win. but thats juss numbers. it goes down to the driver

ive beaten my friends Si all the time. intake header exhaust cam gears

and all i have is intake.

moral of this story: its up to the drivers

Bliss · 03-20-2003, 10:55 PM

So all in all, it sounds like on paper the SI should win, but greater driving skill by the 240 can overcome that.

DC5 · 03-20-2003, 11:03 PM

Any idea on what's an average 1/4 mile time for a N/A s14? The average times for a stock SI is mid-low 15's (@clubsi). SI's with bolt-ons are even capable of dipping into the 14s.
Then again there are some which hit 16s consistently. Probably the driver since their 60' is about 2.5 seconds.

I agree that it's a drivers' race, but by no means will the s14 have an easy win. I think the 240 might even lose to a decently driven SI. Or am I wrong?

s15dude · 03-21-2003, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
the 240 can NEVAR LOSE!
Car for car- driver for driver- the (gasp) Honda is faster.
And when you input a variable like "driver skill" into the equation then it can go either way by a couple seconds, so what's the point?

Here's my educated opinion (based on drivetrains and powerbands):
A race would go like this-
240 gets jump- leads through 2nd gear.
Si reels in 240 -QUICK- and in 3rd is even and pulling.

So if you're racing on the street to 50-60mph it will seem like they're dead even or the 240 is faster.
But a REAL race on a 1/4 mile track the 240 will consistently see taillights.
Whaddya think?

Word, the civic is lighter so that gices it another edge too.

DuffMan · 03-21-2003, 04:48 AM

I think the 240 would start loosing ground as soon as it hit 2nd. Our 2nd gear is crap!

Dunkee · 03-21-2003, 06:55 AM

That's about right. I raced my friends SI from dead stop, beat him bad off the line, he started creeping in second, by third he was at my bumper, we didn't make it to forth (exit) but you know what would have happened.

TheSparo · 03-21-2003, 02:14 PM

but also doesnt the 240 have like 100ftlbs more torque? j/p but seriously, abuot like 25 more ft/lbs?

91CRXsiR · 03-21-2003, 03:15 PM

the 240 would get a better launch but the Si will win.. top speed and 1/4 mile

VTEC is sexxy

sph33r · 03-21-2003, 03:24 PM

Who cares about hypotheticals.. go get a S14 and a SI together and just race the damn things. Why is it there's a new "can a ______ beat a 240" thread every day?? There's a really easy way to find out... go race and the outcome will be quite clear.

DC5 · 03-21-2003, 04:05 PM

thanks for the info.

If i could get a civic SI to race my friend's s14 (with equal drivers in both), I would. But that's never gonna happen coz most of the SIs i've seen around here are equipped with altezzas and look poorly maintained.

My other option was to ask the "240 gurus" at zilvia

to prove my point to my friend.

03-20-2003, 10:47 PM	#1
DC5 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SI hanging with a s14? Buddy of mine is insistent that a s14 240sx (KA24DE) is definately faster than a 99-00 6th gen Civic SI. I think it's mostly a drivers race with the advantage going to the civic. I like s14s and all, but i'm pretty sure that in stock form, the SI is a lil faster. My friend will only listen to the opinions of zilvia.net. What do you guys think?

03-20-2003, 10:51 PM	#2
Potatoskins02 Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Northern VA Age: 41 Posts: 247 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i guess i'd have to believe that... what you are saying that is (Si being a little faster) I haven't raced one at a track yet but my friends SI was running a 15.5/6 qtr mile stock while i was running 16.03/3 ... but i have an s13 with an open diff so I can't say for s14's. __________________ ~1993 240sx CAI, FSTB, RSTB, Zigen Fireball friend MSP owner... "I need to save my gas...... shit its beginning to boost!" shifts

03-20-2003, 11:03 PM	#5
DC5 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Any idea on what's an average 1/4 mile time for a N/A s14? The average times for a stock SI is mid-low 15's (@clubsi). SI's with bolt-ons are even capable of dipping into the 14s. Then again there are some which hit 16s consistently. Probably the driver since their 60' is about 2.5 seconds. I agree that it's a drivers' race, but by no means will the s14 have an easy win. I think the 240 might even lose to a decently driven SI. Or am I wrong? Last edited by DC5; 03-20-2003 at 11:17 PM..

03-21-2003, 06:55 AM	#8
Dunkee Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NJ Age: 46 Posts: 848 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	That's about right. I raced my friends SI from dead stop, beat him bad off the line, he started creeping in second, by third he was at my bumper, we didn't make it to forth (exit) but you know what would have happened. __________________ 96 SE http://www.cardomain.com/ride/255381

03-21-2003, 03:24 PM	#11
sph33r Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 81 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Who cares about hypotheticals.. go get a S14 and a SI together and just race the damn things. Why is it there's a new "can a ______ beat a 240" thread every day?? There's a really easy way to find out... go race and the outcome will be quite clear. __________________ ka24e.com

03-20-2003, 10:51 PM	#3
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	numbers for numbers the Si will win. but thats juss numbers. it goes down to the driver ive beaten my friends Si all the time. intake header exhaust cam gears and all i have is intake. moral of this story: its up to the drivers

03-20-2003, 10:55 PM	#4
Bliss Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego/Bay Area Age: 39 Posts: 686 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So all in all, it sounds like on paper the SI should win, but greater driving skill by the 240 can overcome that.

03-21-2003, 04:48 AM	#7
DuffMan Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in a cardboard box Posts: 2,517 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think the 240 would start loosing ground as soon as it hit 2nd. Our 2nd gear is crap!

03-21-2003, 02:14 PM	#9
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	but also doesnt the 240 have like 100ftlbs more torque? j/p but seriously, abuot like 25 more ft/lbs?

03-21-2003, 03:15 PM	#10
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 42 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	the 240 would get a better launch but the Si will win.. top speed and 1/4 mile VTEC is sexxy

03-21-2003, 04:05 PM	#12
DC5 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for the info. If i could get a civic SI to race my friend's s14 (with equal drivers in both), I would. But that's never gonna happen coz most of the SIs i've seen around here are equipped with altezzas and look poorly maintained. My other option was to ask the "240 gurus" at zilvia to prove my point to my friend. Last edited by DC5; 03-21-2003 at 04:08 PM..