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ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 08:04 AM

ok, i did a search , it came up with some way not enginerelated stuff but for the torque flap system on a s13 ka24de. i know i have to fill in the holes, but there is a bypass set up for idle control, i m really just wondering how to take car of that stuff, thanks

adey · 05-05-2003, 08:19 AM

excuse my ignorance, but what is a torque flap?

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 08:46 AM

i dont remeber what their actaul name is but the secondary throttle bodies on s13 ka24de motors, they cause vaccum at certain rpms to keep the torque up, they are located right at the ends of the intake runners beofre they meet up with the head. i m getting pdm cams, and then later this summer i will go turbo and they say to get rid of them for turbo, and the s14 ka doesnt have them so with the increased breathing of the pdm cams i might as well get rid of them now while i ahve it all apart.

uiuc240 · 05-05-2003, 08:50 AM

Butterfly Removal

Eric

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 09:40 AM

there is the word for it sweet, but anyone know if it messes the idle up or how to get it to idle etc.?

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 09:43 AM

ok that was a link, but it didnt tell me anything new, that i had read before, i need to know how to fix the idle if it does mess the idle up, i was hopeing someone had done this and not turboed the car yet...........

uiuc240 · 05-05-2003, 09:46 AM

did you CLICK on the LINK?

this mod does not have any affect on idle. your idle speed is controlled by two things:

throttle plate
Idle Air Control Valve

as long as you don't mess with those (i.e. take the IACV out and forget to put it back in...basically impossible) you won't have a problem.

Eric

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 09:49 AM

ok, there was a idle control thing that bypasses the butterflies, and there was one more that has a solinoid on it, i was thinking one of these could be removed, the link said the idle was lumpy, but it didnt sound like the guy had his run after he did the mod..............

uiuc240 · 05-05-2003, 09:53 AM

I don't know. You'll have to ask someone who's done this mod. First, I've never had a KA24DE. Second, this mod sounds like a worthless waste of a Saturday. I guarantee there are better things to do.

Eric

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 09:58 AM

i guess, its worthless to you but i m keeping the ka, i m getting better cams, i need it to breath better, so i need to get rid of them, also im gonna go turbo, and i already have my head off while i iget a new one so i got the intake mani off, and i d rather do it now while i have it off so it takes 15 min instead of a saturday afternoon..........i also said i wanted to know if any one had done it, so you really cant help me.

thanks anyways,
p.s. i got alot of other things to do but this is at my top till my head comes...........my opinion

uiuc240 · 05-05-2003, 10:02 AM

sounds like you're doing it then. by the sound of your first posts, it didn't sound like you knew what was going on.

ryan hagen · 05-05-2003, 10:05 AM

yah i m doing it, but i m waiting for new a new head, mine is shot, so while i got all the stuff apart i m gonna get as much done as poss. i m porting every thing right now too well more or less gasket matching , i didnt know what they were called cause my friend who ahd a 240 with ka before me called them that and i forgot the butterfly part,,,,,,,,

05-05-2003, 08:04 AM	#1
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	what all i need for torque flap removal ok, i did a search , it came up with some way not enginerelated stuff but for the torque flap system on a s13 ka24de. i know i have to fill in the holes, but there is a bypass set up for idle control, i m really just wondering how to take car of that stuff, thanks

05-05-2003, 08:19 AM	#2
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	excuse my ignorance, but what is a torque flap? __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

05-05-2003, 08:50 AM	#4
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Butterfly Removal Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

05-05-2003, 09:46 AM	#7
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	did you CLICK on the LINK? this mod does not have any affect on idle. your idle speed is controlled by two things: throttle plate Idle Air Control Valve as long as you don't mess with those (i.e. take the IACV out and forget to put it back in...basically impossible) you won't have a problem. Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

05-05-2003, 09:53 AM	#9
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't know. You'll have to ask someone who's done this mod. First, I've never had a KA24DE. Second, this mod sounds like a worthless waste of a Saturday. I guarantee there are better things to do. Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

05-05-2003, 08:46 AM	#3
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	i dont remeber what their actaul name is but the secondary throttle bodies on s13 ka24de motors, they cause vaccum at certain rpms to keep the torque up, they are located right at the ends of the intake runners beofre they meet up with the head. i m getting pdm cams, and then later this summer i will go turbo and they say to get rid of them for turbo, and the s14 ka doesnt have them so with the increased breathing of the pdm cams i might as well get rid of them now while i ahve it all apart.

05-05-2003, 09:40 AM	#5
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	there is the word for it sweet, but anyone know if it messes the idle up or how to get it to idle etc.?

05-05-2003, 09:43 AM	#6
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	ok that was a link, but it didnt tell me anything new, that i had read before, i need to know how to fix the idle if it does mess the idle up, i was hopeing someone had done this and not turboed the car yet...........

05-05-2003, 09:49 AM	#8
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	ok, there was a idle control thing that bypasses the butterflies, and there was one more that has a solinoid on it, i was thinking one of these could be removed, the link said the idle was lumpy, but it didnt sound like the guy had his run after he did the mod..............

05-05-2003, 09:58 AM	#10
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	i guess, its worthless to you but i m keeping the ka, i m getting better cams, i need it to breath better, so i need to get rid of them, also im gonna go turbo, and i already have my head off while i iget a new one so i got the intake mani off, and i d rather do it now while i have it off so it takes 15 min instead of a saturday afternoon..........i also said i wanted to know if any one had done it, so you really cant help me. thanks anyways, p.s. i got alot of other things to do but this is at my top till my head comes...........my opinion

05-05-2003, 10:02 AM	#11
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sounds like you're doing it then. by the sound of your first posts, it didn't sound like you knew what was going on.

05-05-2003, 10:05 AM	#12
ryan hagen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: rhinelander wisconsin Age: 42 Posts: 1,465 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	yah i m doing it, but i m waiting for new a new head, mine is shot, so while i got all the stuff apart i m gonna get as much done as poss. i m porting every thing right now too well more or less gasket matching , i didnt know what they were called cause my friend who ahd a 240 with ka before me called them that and i forgot the butterfly part,,,,,,,,