Advan RcII look-alike by ROTA

[driftk2000]

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[Dousan_PG]

SIGH

i hate knockoffs.

[driftk2000]

I need to find these knock offs in 4 lug coz the cost avg. $650 for a set of 17"s.

I happen to like rota wheels BTW..coz they won't cost me an arm and leg.

[ruf]

F()CK Rota. F()CK knockoffs.

[andrave]

as long as knockoffs are well made I don't think they are so bad, I'd like to have some nice 15 or 16" rims but I can't see paying more for rims than I paid for my car.
rota makes some cool knockoffs. most are wrong bolt pattern or offset for 240 tho. sad.

[Dousan_PG]

NO its not ok
they are copying and cheating another company out of money
they obviously dont have the smarts and or orginality to start their own designs, so theyll copy another companies

not cool

i have no respect for people with knock off wheels. go buy your konigs and be happy. i'll settle for the real deal, even if it costs more. at least when i walk out and look at my car i'll smile knowing i have the REAL thing

knock offs are like a GTR 240sx. you wish it was, but it never is and never will be the real thing.

[ruf]

Knockoffs should NEVER be ok. Why not wear a "BOLEX" or a pair of "Adibas"? They are trying to capitalize off of someone else's creativity and design without any regard to quality of manufacture. That is nothing short of plagiarism. The RCII aren't even that nice a wheel. I'd like to see them do a copy of the TCII and watch them all crack at the centers.

As for spending more money than the car costs, the car itself has been the cheapest thing I've bought in the whole project. It just comes with the territory. TIRES will probably cost more than my car did. If you don't have the money to buy good wheels, then don't buy crap wheels just for their copycat looks. Otherwise you just look like every other ghetto ricer out there. Save up until you can get the good/real stuff. If you say "I can't save $1K+ for wheels", then I guess you really didn't want wheels that bad in the first place...

[SilviaDriver]

what about their other knock off haha

http://www.rotawheels.com/grid.htm

Rota Grid = TE37

dang..that sucks

[driftk2000]

Rota knock offs are an exception to me no matter what anyone

says..I won't jump on the bandwagon with some fools(Some

have $$$ coz they own a shop) and only settle for the real thing.

Hey mama's boys, ya'll seem to narrow-minded to notice that

most wheelmakers share similar designs for lightweight

technology. look around..Riding on wheels with a similar design is

nothing like wearing imitation sneakers. Say what you say...I'm

just keepin it real.. You go and spend your cash on the "Real Thing"...we're talking about wheels here bud..not britney spears..

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by ruf
Knockoffs should NEVER be ok. Why not wear a "BOLEX" or a pair of "Adibas"? They are trying to capitalize off of someone else's creativity and design without any regard to quality of manufacture. That is nothing short of plagiarism. The RCII aren't even that nice a wheel. I'd like to see them do a copy of the TCII and watch them all crack at the centers.

As for spending more money than the car costs, the car itself has been the cheapest thing I've bought in the whole project. It just comes with the territory. TIRES will probably cost more than my car did. If you don't have the money to buy good wheels, then don't buy crap wheels just for their copycat looks. Otherwise you just look like every other ghetto ricer out there. Save up until you can get the good/real stuff. If you say "I can't save $1K+ for wheels", then I guess you really didn't want wheels that bad in the first place...

AMEN BROTHER RUF!
I'm surprised more people don't feel this way, it's funny... really goes to show what the fanbase of a car is... you'd never hear a thread like this in say, the TT forums.... things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

[Dousan_PG]

there's no way to win trying to explain it.

good for you, you support hacks and theives. be proud!

more proof the average "enthusiast" is cheap

my tire fund cost more then my car. big deal. part of life. the mods and suspension alone are worth more then the car!

[driftk2000]

Next time you look in magazine and see new wheels, they share similarities..Maybe that will get through people's head if it wasn't so thick..

good for you, you support hacks and theives. be proud


I suppose every wheelmaker that makes 5 star rims are hacks and theives per this guys theory.

[Dousan_PG]

actually no.
there are so many different types of 5 spoke
split, single, thin fat, various designs

you musnt see many wheels if you think this. there are so many variations of wheels out there and types.

you should look at more wheels. might learn something. new and original designs come out very often.

[driftk2000]

Good for you..You're getting there..but still a debater that ain't man enough to look both ways..

[ruf]

Name two wheels by two reputable companies that look EXACTLY the same.

Sure designs can be similar for the sake of FUNCTION. When it comes to performance, there are only a few designs that work well. But knockoff companies like Rota have no such pretense. The do not care about function, only FORM. Particularly, cashing in on someone else's design to fool people into mistaking them for the real thing instead of creating their own concept of what looks good.

Riding on wheels with a similar design is nothing like wearing imitation sneakers.

It's EXACTLY like it. This isn't a black t-shirt. Who cares if it says D&G or Hanes? That's just generic. Aftermarket wheels have a SPECIFIC appearance and are very model/brand recognizable. To copy that specific appearance is just fake and trying to pass them off as something they're not. Wearing Hanes black socks instead of Nike black socks is fine. Wearing NiXe Shok instead of Nike Shox is just straight up ghetto posing.

edit: Not that I care what kind of shoes people wear. I'm not nearly that superficial. I'd just snicker at you for thinking you're something you're not. And I'm not mama's boy, if I wanted something, I worked/saved/sacrificed until I could get it. And I don't have money because I own a shop. I own a shop because I have money.

[Rennen]

To the common people who don't have "hookups" from japan or run a shop, there is a huge price difference between knockoffs and the real thing, and I have absolutely no problem saving myself some money as long as the quality is decent. As far as the limited sizes, my car doesn't make 500+hp, hell I doubt it even makes 125rwhp right now, so there is really no need for a 10" wide wheel out back to get good handling. I figure someday I will have sufficient funds to pay homage to the gods of JDM and pay the huge markup for new Volks or something, but until then knockoffs are good enough.

-Matt

[ruf]

Originally posted by Rennen
knockoffs are good enough.

STOCK WHEELS are good enough. I'm having stickers made that say "Better off STOCK!" Tired of all the ghetto upgrades I see around here. I'm not saying that everyone should buy Nismo LMGT4 Limiteds or Volk Forged Mag or SSR SP1 from me. Just don't spend your money on crap. For the $650 that it would cost for those horrific Rotacrap wheels, You could go junkyard shopping and get some really nice Nissan/Infiniti alloys that would fit. Heck, for a little more you could throw in a 5-lug conversion, wheels and STILL maybe come out under $1K. $350? What is that? Not eating out for a month? Two months? Not going out to party? Not buying CD's? Not buying that new shirt that you wanted? Cancelling your cable? What's it worth to you? Do you want wheels that bad? That was my mentality growing up (though back then it was a new mountain bike or springs/struts for my Accord or some other useless thing in hindsight). But now you've got $1000 saved up. Now what? How about another month or so? Now you've got $1500. I can get you the real Advans to your door for less than that. It's all a matter of what you want and how bad you want it.

[NiteKids]

many wheels share the same design because........oh waits that right they were COPIED OFF ANOTHER WHEEL!

[ruf]

Great. See how dumb your argument is? Even Nitekids is agreeing with you.

[driftk2000]

Quick..Stop buying Advan knock offs..Reflex Racing is not feeling

that...The owner's afraid no one will buy his Advans.. You must

have a lot of ricers in your area.. too bad for you.. Some peeps

with rotas don't rice; don't get it mixed up. If some rota wheels

weighing at 12lbs a peice will do the job on the track, then let it

be. Don't trip..there's no need for that.. This thread started out

as a question about these wheels not what you hot shots think

about it. Nobody ask for your opinion.

[Johny5]

Personally, I'd roll on knockoffs and did for 6 months on the rota ****streams. Did I put them down and deny them for the real thing everytime someone asked? sure nuff. Yeah it may be ghetto to roll on copies like you guys are saying, but hell I saved $300 a rim and if thats so wrong in your minds then put that $1200 in my hands and help me with the real thing. Until then I'm 18 struggling to find a decent paying job, these will do.

[Bliss]

Originally posted by driftk2000
This thread started out

as a question about these wheels not what you hot shots think

about it. Nobody ask for your opinion.

Actually this thread started as something along the lines of
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Nothing else, which means you left it up to everyone else. And with that, I'll give my opinion. The money pincher in me wants to say "same wheel, lower price, buy it", but then im also thinking "they stole that design from so-and-so, thats cheap." I'd wait to buy the real ones, cuz, like dousan said, i don't support thieves. i would hate it if i came up with something and someone stole the idea and sold it for cheaper.

[andrave]

when I'm driving, can I FEEL the thousand dollar difference?
no.
I honestly don't care who makes a rim, if it looks good and is built right, thats all that matters. brand names don't mean **** to me. and I've saved a lot of money that way.
Light weight and good looking matters to me. brand name doesn't.
If it really got down to an exact copy of another's wheel, there are these things called copyrights that protect the original company. as it is, the wheels look similar, cause there are only so many ways to make a rim and fads come and go.
get over it.
you guys are just bummed cause all the girls at the highschool think that the guy with the primered civic rolls the same wheels as your swapped 40 rolling ton TE37's..

[AKADriver]

When I buy knockoff parts I don't feel as if I'm supporting thieves. I feel like I'm supporting a company that's offering a good product for a low price. I won't buy anything that's low quality. By the way, the only "knockoff" parts I have are some strut braces.. cheap and ugly, but functional.

I don't care much what a wheel looks like... and the looks are really all that's being copied by Rota. Rota wheels are made with a different process than the wheels they typically copy. Rotas are high pressure cast, the wheels the spoke designs copy are typically forged. Hence the price difference.

I have a problem with knockoffs that are low quality. And of course, as a 240SX owner, I have a problem with knockoffs that only offer "Honda" sizes.

Speaking of Hondas, when lurking Honda-tech.com forums, I notice something interesting. The guys with show cars and street cars are all running genuine Spoon, Regamaster, Racing Hart, etc. and they love to slam the knockoffs. The guys in the Road Race/Autocross forum that are out there flogging their cars every weekend and winning wheel to wheel races? nothing but Rotas and Koseis...

[misnomer]

So
F*cking
Sick
Of
Rims


Damn people, there are so many better things to spend your money on. Whatever happened to a bit of modesty? Do you have to be rolling around on hugeass rims? Is it really going to impact your performance such that YOU will notice? For most of us, absolutely not. There are those of us who hit the tracks, and can actually benefit from aftermarket wheels, but that isn't most of us.

As far as knockoffs go. . . You all are missing the main point. If it's cheaper, and it's quality (as in strong, lightwieght, wide enough, etc), then I don't give a **** whose name is on the box. Big names don't always mean best quality. Then again, buying a heavier, weaker knockoff just because it looks like an expensive model is completely ****ed up.


. . .Sorry for the rant, just get sick of people seeing my car and going "dood, you need some rimz on that bitch!" Thats a thousand dollars I could use to put into REAL performance. I'll upgrade my wheels when I have too much power for my treads. . . I'll prolly be running on my beautiful 15" alloys for a long, long time :-)

[AKADriver]

well, wheels are a powerful visual upgrade for people who are into that.

I need 16x7.5s to run the tires I want to use, and I want to go to Z brakes, so I'm going to need to change wheels.

But, that's only when my current set of tires is done for... which might not be for a while.

[silforty]

I got no problems with people getting generic wheels (Knocksoff's or Bootlegs if you want to be D*cks about it!) I mean Volks, Rays, RAcing Hart, and whatnot are all greats wheels, but you pay a premium. If some other company makes a wheel that is similar and makes a good (QUALITY) product: Why Hate? Thats the beauty of the capitalistic system we have. Everybody can get in on it. I don't think it's right for the hardcore JDM people to flame some of us blue collar people who get the "Popular" brands like enkei instead of some rays or something. Its all a matter of taste and how much somebody can afford. FA real shame on all the haters who think Volk or bust!

[AKADriver]

Enkei's Japanese-made wheels like the RPO1, RPO2, RPF1, the stock Lancer Evo wheels, are great. Only crappy thing is that Enkei USA doesn't stock the low-offset, wide sizes (of course).

Their US-made wheels do honestly suck. Very heavy!

[silforty]

I was trying to make the point that they are relatively cheap as in priceand they are popular rims. Not quality. I did have trouble with my Enkei RS-5 though

[hooter]

Originally posted by dousan36
SIGH

i hate knockoffs.

You must hate Panasports and Watanabes then.

-Charlie