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BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 03:10 PM

I might buy an 89 HB Shell for an SR20DET. At this point, I will be left w/$2000.00 in my budget...

I called SOKO (www.soko.com) since they are nearby and they have 10 sets of SR20DET Engines/Trannys available at $1,400.00 and I would need to get ECU - MAFS - Wire Harness - Intercooler to make complete. Plus since its 1989 I will need power steering lines and reservoir too, correct?

What would you suggest at this point as far where to get these missing parts from???

How much do you think I will spend on these missing parts???

Also... about the install. Since the car already is engineless, how long do you think it will take 2 guys with beginner knowledge in mechanics to make this beast work? When I say beginner, I mean like the most we can do is, oil/filter changes, brakes (pads, calipers, rotors, etc.) and plugs. Some other fairly easy stuff as well.

Will this be too difficult? We have most of the tools necesarry except hoist.

Is there any one or any place online that has some sort of DIY Swap Instructions... Any sort of tips, techniques,etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

TIA!!!!

-Omar

BTW... I've been using the lovely bright red "search" button and will continue to dig deeper in the zilvia.net profound sea of searchable information, but please, help here if you can.

Titan · 05-29-2003, 03:51 PM

You'll also need to get a DOHC gauge cluster, as the 89-90 will not work with the sr harness.

Unless you have magical powers, $600 WON'T cover all those parts, plus install.. No way... not even close.

As for the install itself, if you have patience, and the harness is uncut, then all it will take is time. But don't be fooled, pulling a motor isn't all that easy.

If the harness is cut, then you're in a world of troubles... not likely to get out of without serious help.

All the other parts you mentioned are not only going to be expensive, but also hard to find.

Have fun.

FRpilot · 05-29-2003, 03:54 PM

there is a bunch of info on the internet to get walk you through the swap. its just actually doing thats going to be tougher.

the parts are not hard to find at all but might cost a lot. ecu is about $500, an uncut harness is about another $500. you can use a z32 maf and you can always use a junkyard intercooler if you're on a budget. otherwise, upgrade replacing is a good option. you can opt for an apex power fc standalone unit and a large fmic while you're at it.

Jim96SC2 · 05-29-2003, 04:22 PM

In other words DON'T BUY CHEAP SR20DET's!

Too much of a pain to get everything togetehr to make it work. Buy a clip, it'll make your life a whole lot easier.

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 04:44 PM

eBay items with no reserve...

$15.50 Stock SR Intercooler See It (maybe $50?)
$ 1.00 SR Wiring Harness See It (I expect maybe $200 if in a bidding war)
$12.50 Stock SR ECU See It (Who knows... maybe $150?)
$ 6.50 Z32 SR MAFS See It (??? $100)
----------------
$500 Overestimated total price shipped

$1,400 Engine/Tranny from SOKO
$1,000 Engineless 89 Hatchback Base 240SX 5-Speed
----------------
$2,900 Estimated Expense

Labor: Free (by Myself and a few buddys)

FastBack 240 · 05-29-2003, 05:15 PM

Yah, but if you want higher boost your going to need an FMIC which is gonna cost more. Plus with a clip, a lot of times you will get nice goodies like suspension and a bunch of other stuff that you dont get with just the engine/trans.

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 05:21 PM

you know where I can get a clip shipped to my door for no more than $2,500???

I just want it to run well and THEN I will upgrade... Im on budget... $3,000 at the moment to be exact. Then whatever I save per month. My current car (87 Cadillac Coupe Deville) isnt really mine. Im borrowing it but I have to give it back within the next couple of weeks.

This cadillac hurts my sould/ego and sports car needs...

Yoshi · 05-29-2003, 05:21 PM

Don't forget all your fluids and odds and ends... making brackets, etc. There's a ton of stuff that will happen that you just can't plan for. The only way to be ready is to have about $1000 of "oh sh|t" money. Sound like a lot? If ANYTHING goes wrong, it'll cost a lot.

Your plan leaves zero margin for error. Bad odds in anyone's book. The best advice anyone can give, is WAIT until you have a comfortable cushion... I cannot stress that enough... oh, also, if the engine isn't from a clip, odds are that the oil pan is beat to hell, and even a small dent in the pan can cause oil starvation and pop goes your new SR.

There's lots of other things you'll need. I'm sure people will fill in the blanks... I don't think i saw air filter in there either? downpipe?

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yoshi
I'm sure people will fill in the blanks...

Im hoping so...

I need more ejamakashion!

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 06:52 PM

I think maybe I'll back out...

Anyone know what I decent price is for a proffesional to do it? Locally...

On a side note... What do you think of these?

91 240SX HB SE 170k 5-Speed
pdm cams
susp.techniques F/R sway bars
eibach sportlines
injen intake
5zigen style exhaust

or

89 240SX Base HB 5-Speed
106k on body
no engine/trans
stock
$1,000
or
$2,000 w/62k engine/trans

Jsquared · 05-29-2003, 07:22 PM

Quote:

You'll also need to get a DOHC gauge cluster, as the 89-90 will not work with the sr harness.

not sure if you still want it, but I have a km/h japanese cluster with the DOHC KA24DE tach in it... you can take the tach out and put it in your gauge cluster...

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 07:24 PM

Nice...

Well... turns out I wont be doing anything soon. My finances are frozen for 2 weeks.

I'll let you know about the tach...

But please, if anyone has any other suggestions/comments about DIY SR20DET Install... please share!

Titan · 05-29-2003, 08:04 PM

Trust me, things WILL pop up that will cost most. There are tons of things that you won't be able to plan for. A.K.A you NEED that $1000 cushion.

As for the pro install... you're looking at about $1000-$1500, Give or take.

dizastaman · 05-29-2003, 08:08 PM

Heavy Throttle's swap FAQ

TheSparo · 05-29-2003, 08:14 PM

BeatJunky check u'r PM's

BeatJunky · 05-29-2003, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dizastaman
Heavy Throttle's swap FAQ

Read it... Printed it... Will study this. I looked at SportCarCompacts (?) article too, did the same. (printed, will study,etc.) Also looked up other info. I will do my homework the best I can.

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSparo
BeatJunky check u'r PM's

Ah!

If its $2,100 I am game... I e-mailed the guy.
Thanks a million!

So if I get this cheap *** front clip (in price i mean)... Then how difficult will my install still be? Let's assume I ship my harness away for wiring...

drift freaq · 05-29-2003, 09:43 PM

I would go for the 91 over the 89 any day of the week but thats me. If the 91 is the one I am thinking it is then its a pretty nice car. I believe the guy has a pic of it in his sig.
Its gun metal grey right? nice color

elevator · 05-30-2003, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeatJunky
eBay items with no reserve...

$15.50 Stock SR Intercooler See It (maybe $50?)
$ 1.00 SR Wiring Harness See It (I expect maybe $200 if in a bidding war)
$12.50 Stock SR ECU See It (Who knows... maybe $150?)
$ 6.50 Z32 SR MAFS See It (??? $100)
----------------
$500 Overestimated total price shipped

$1,400 Engine/Tranny from SOKO
$1,000 Engineless 89 Hatchback Base 240SX 5-Speed
----------------
$2,900 Estimated Expense

Labor: Free (by Myself and a few buddys)

Don't bother with a stock intercooler if you plan to ever upgrade your sr. It won't handle much more than the stock turbine.
When bidding on ebay be patient! WAIT until the LAST FREAKING SECOND to bid. Someone will inevitably out-bid you.

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gladhatter
Don't bother with a stock intercooler if you plan to ever upgrade your sr. It won't handle much more than the stock turbine.

I know... I planned on making it run well at stock turbo spec, get the feel for it, etc etc etc, and then begin to mod the turbo.

Quote:

Originally posted by gladhatter
When bidding on ebay be patient! WAIT until the LAST FREAKING SECOND to bid. Someone will inevitably out-bid you.

Yup!

Jsquared · 05-30-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

When bidding on ebay be patient! WAIT until the LAST FREAKING SECOND to bid. Someone will inevitably out-bid you.

what you just described is called "bid sniping" and is looked down upon on eBay. it's assholes that do that and **** off all the other members. i had high bid on an intercooler for 3 days, then got outbid by $5 (the minimum bid increase) with 14 seconds left by some jerkoff. don't do this.

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 03:13 PM

IMO... Its all part of bidding at an auction... highest bidder wins fair and square no?

Jim96SC2 · 05-30-2003, 03:25 PM

My swap costs have totaled about $6,500 so far.

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
My swap costs have totaled about $6,500 so far.

How much did these cost?

---> (Greddy Turbo extension, Greddy DP, Greddy V-SPL FMIC, Greddy Hotpipe, HKS SSQV, Koyo Radiator, Toda Ultralight FW, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, ATS 2-way Diff., Rice-Boy Red Air Filter.)

Because that makes a difference!

memphiss13 · 05-30-2003, 04:07 PM

i have spent 5500 so far. lets see how much more i spend once it all gets here and i start the install.

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 04:21 PM

Well...

Let's get specific. Here's a new scenario:

$1,000 Project Car Shell
$2,100 SR20DET Clip (Shipped)
-------
$3,100 Beginning Investment

On a DIY basis... what parts would you now buy (including intercooler) to make this car run stable (not superfast, mad drift style yet) while keeping yourself on a "let me spend as little as possible" state of mind.

Please share ideas/suggestions.

I have 2 weeks to decide if I wanna invest into the swap NOW or get a ride around 240 till I got forth with the swap.

memphiss13 · 05-30-2003, 04:41 PM

atleast put a new clutch in if you buy a clip.

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rookie2nr
atleast put a new clutch in if you buy a clip.

Thats a good start!

Flywheel too...
and Filters,Fluids,Oils,etc... What $70?

The List
----------------------
1) Clutch Kit
2) Flywheel
3) Oil/Fuel Filter - Fluids/Oils
4) [add text here]

BeatJunky · 05-30-2003, 05:24 PM

Lemme add some more

Quote:

The List
----------------------
1) Clutch Kit & TOB
2) Flywheel
3) Filters
4) Fluids/Oils
5) Electric Fan
6) Power Steering Reservoir/Lines
7) Spark Plugs & Wires
8) Tachometer
9) FMIC

Anything else?

What about random things like heater hose stuff, greases, nuts & bolts, etc.

memphiss13 · 05-30-2003, 08:31 PM

you can just get your flywheel resurfaced, that will save some money. cost about $35 at most places.

ItzGenX · 05-31-2003, 11:23 PM

Where in hell do you find a clip shipped for 2100???

05-29-2003, 03:10 PM	#1
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Questions: Installing SR20DET I might buy an 89 HB Shell for an SR20DET. At this point, I will be left w/$2000.00 in my budget... I called SOKO (www.soko.com) since they are nearby and they have 10 sets of SR20DET Engines/Trannys available at $1,400.00 and I would need to get ECU - MAFS - Wire Harness - Intercooler to make complete. Plus since its 1989 I will need power steering lines and reservoir too, correct? What would you suggest at this point as far where to get these missing parts from??? How much do you think I will spend on these missing parts??? Also... about the install. Since the car already is engineless, how long do you think it will take 2 guys with beginner knowledge in mechanics to make this beast work? When I say beginner, I mean like the most we can do is, oil/filter changes, brakes (pads, calipers, rotors, etc.) and plugs. Some other fairly easy stuff as well. Will this be too difficult? We have most of the tools necesarry except hoist. Is there any one or any place online that has some sort of DIY Swap Instructions... Any sort of tips, techniques,etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated... TIA!!!! -Omar BTW... I've been using the lovely bright red "search" button and will continue to dig deeper in the zilvia.net profound sea of searchable information, but please, help here if you can. Last edited by BeatJunky; 05-29-2003 at 03:36 PM..

05-29-2003, 03:51 PM	#2
Titan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 421 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You'll also need to get a DOHC gauge cluster, as the 89-90 will not work with the sr harness. Unless you have magical powers, $600 WON'T cover all those parts, plus install.. No way... not even close. As for the install itself, if you have patience, and the harness is uncut, then all it will take is time. But don't be fooled, pulling a motor isn't all that easy. If the harness is cut, then you're in a world of troubles... not likely to get out of without serious help. All the other parts you mentioned are not only going to be expensive, but also hard to find. Have fun. __________________ Sleep Doesn't Drink Beer

05-29-2003, 04:22 PM	#4
Jim96SC2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 43 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In other words DON'T BUY CHEAP SR20DET's! Too much of a pain to get everything togetehr to make it work. Buy a clip, it'll make your life a whole lot easier. __________________ Swap DONE: 40K Redtop, Greddy Turbo extension, Greddy DP, Greddy V-SPL FMIC, Greddy Hotpipe, HKS SSQV, Koyo Radiator, Toda Ultralight FW, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, ATS 2-way Diff., Rice-Boy Red Air Filter.

05-29-2003, 04:44 PM	#5
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	eBay items with no reserve... $15.50 Stock SR Intercooler See It (maybe $50?) $ 1.00 SR Wiring Harness See It (I expect maybe $200 if in a bidding war) $12.50 Stock SR ECU See It (Who knows... maybe $150?) $ 6.50 Z32 SR MAFS See It (??? $100) ---------------- $500 Overestimated total price shipped $1,400 Engine/Tranny from SOKO $1,000 Engineless 89 Hatchback Base 240SX 5-Speed ---------------- $2,900 Estimated Expense Labor: Free (by Myself and a few buddys) Last edited by BeatJunky; 05-29-2003 at 05:05 PM..

05-29-2003, 05:15 PM	#6
FastBack 240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Motor City......MI Age: 39 Posts: 859 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yah, but if you want higher boost your going to need an FMIC which is gonna cost more. Plus with a clip, a lot of times you will get nice goodies like suspension and a bunch of other stuff that you dont get with just the engine/trans. Last edited by FastBack 240; 05-29-2003 at 05:18 PM..

05-29-2003, 05:21 PM	#7
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you know where I can get a clip shipped to my door for no more than $2,500??? I just want it to run well and THEN I will upgrade... Im on budget... $3,000 at the moment to be exact. Then whatever I save per month. My current car (87 Cadillac Coupe Deville) isnt really mine. Im borrowing it but I have to give it back within the next couple of weeks. This cadillac hurts my sould/ego and sports car needs... Last edited by BeatJunky; 05-29-2003 at 05:23 PM..

05-29-2003, 05:21 PM	#8
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Don't forget all your fluids and odds and ends... making brackets, etc. There's a ton of stuff that will happen that you just can't plan for. The only way to be ready is to have about $1000 of "oh sh\|t" money. Sound like a lot? If ANYTHING goes wrong, it'll cost a lot. Your plan leaves zero margin for error. Bad odds in anyone's book. The best advice anyone can give, is WAIT until you have a comfortable cushion... I cannot stress that enough... oh, also, if the engine isn't from a clip, odds are that the oil pan is beat to hell, and even a small dent in the pan can cause oil starvation and pop goes your new SR. There's lots of other things you'll need. I'm sure people will fill in the blanks... I don't think i saw air filter in there either? downpipe? __________________ www.360realms.com/S13-S15

05-29-2003, 06:52 PM	#10
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think maybe I'll back out... Anyone know what I decent price is for a proffesional to do it? Locally... On a side note... What do you think of these? 91 240SX HB SE 170k 5-Speed pdm cams susp.techniques F/R sway bars eibach sportlines injen intake 5zigen style exhaust or 89 240SX Base HB 5-Speed 106k on body no engine/trans stock $1,000 or $2,000 w/62k engine/trans

05-29-2003, 07:24 PM	#12
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice... Well... turns out I wont be doing anything soon. My finances are frozen for 2 weeks. I'll let you know about the tach... But please, if anyone has any other suggestions/comments about DIY SR20DET Install... please share!

05-29-2003, 08:04 PM	#13
Titan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 421 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Trust me, things WILL pop up that will cost most. There are tons of things that you won't be able to plan for. A.K.A you NEED that $1000 cushion. As for the pro install... you're looking at about $1000-$1500, Give or take. __________________ Sleep Doesn't Drink Beer

05-29-2003, 08:08 PM	#14
dizastaman Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glengary, West Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 237 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Heavy Throttle's swap FAQ __________________ My FLICK-argh page

05-29-2003, 08:14 PM	#15
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	BeatJunky check u'r PM's

05-29-2003, 09:43 PM	#17
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	I would go for the 91 over the 89 any day of the week but thats me. If the 91 is the one I am thinking it is then its a pretty nice car. I believe the guy has a pic of it in his sig. Its gun metal grey right? nice color __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

05-30-2003, 03:13 PM	#21
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	IMO... Its all part of bidding at an auction... highest bidder wins fair and square no?

05-30-2003, 03:25 PM	#22
Jim96SC2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 43 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My swap costs have totaled about $6,500 so far. __________________ Swap DONE: 40K Redtop, Greddy Turbo extension, Greddy DP, Greddy V-SPL FMIC, Greddy Hotpipe, HKS SSQV, Koyo Radiator, Toda Ultralight FW, Spec Stage 2 Clutch, ATS 2-way Diff., Rice-Boy Red Air Filter.

05-30-2003, 04:07 PM	#24
memphiss13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cordova, TN Age: 41 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have spent 5500 so far. lets see how much more i spend once it all gets here and i start the install.

05-30-2003, 04:21 PM	#25
BeatJunky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicag-Ho Posts: 529 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well... Let's get specific. Here's a new scenario: $1,000 Project Car Shell $2,100 SR20DET Clip (Shipped) ------- $3,100 Beginning Investment On a DIY basis... what parts would you now buy (including intercooler) to make this car run stable (not superfast, mad drift style yet) while keeping yourself on a "let me spend as little as possible" state of mind. Please share ideas/suggestions. I have 2 weeks to decide if I wanna invest into the swap NOW or get a ride around 240 till I got forth with the swap.

05-30-2003, 04:41 PM	#26
memphiss13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cordova, TN Age: 41 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	atleast put a new clutch in if you buy a clip.

05-30-2003, 08:31 PM	#29
memphiss13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cordova, TN Age: 41 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you can just get your flywheel resurfaced, that will save some money. cost about $35 at most places.

05-31-2003, 11:23 PM	#30
ItzGenX Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pass Christian, MS Age: 42 Posts: 48 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Where in hell do you find a clip shipped for 2100???