Axxis vs. KVR Brake Pads - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

MrMigs · 05-30-2003, 04:11 PM

It's about time I started getting better brake pads. Normally, I just get the Pep Boys SPL, and compensate for brake fade by braking a lot earlier.

So, anywho... I'm trying to choose between Axxis Metal Masters and KVR Carbon Kevlar pads for my S14. I plan to use them on my car for street/mtn/track use, and I'm basically looking for a pad that will work pretty well without needing to be warmed up and will also be fade resistant.

I heard good things from these two sets of pads, and now I'd like to know which would be better to get. Anybody?

Natty · 05-30-2003, 06:58 PM

I love my KVR, but they need to be warmed up a bit. It's not bad though. The chatter which is normal can get annoying, but I like them.
I will go stock next time though, becuase I really don't need the extra performance *shrug*

orange-grey · 05-30-2003, 08:33 PM

My KVRs seem to have very little fade, even when literally smoking after a good downhill canyon run. Inital bite seems pretty stock, nice for street and auto-x. Don't know how they hold up under extended track use, however. Unfortunately I can't really compare them to anything but oem.

MrMigs · 05-31-2003, 01:32 AM

hmm interesting... as long as they don't fade after a hard run, then that's good... it's all I'm looking for. I wonder how they compare to Metal Masters though -- in terms of fade.

kalieaire · 05-31-2003, 11:29 AM

i have axxis ultimates in the front and metal masters in the rear.

metal masters in the rear cost me ~38 bux at kragen.

the ultimates cost me ~ 53 bux from brakewarehouse.com

the ultimates dust way more than the metal masters, they're very similar to porterfield r4s's. not as much braking power and reduction in fade than r4s's, but they're comparable still.

they have good initial bite, and haven't killed my already messed up rotors. They're also very quiet, and are pretty damn smooth. These are good for light track use.

remember to use an aggressive bed in procedure for your pads with used rotors and you should be alright.

---My friend is using metal masters in the front, and kvr in the rear.

KVR pads undoubtedly very good with fade resistance, more so than semi-metallics. So he has never experienced fade with his kvrs, but he did notice they're not as quick w/ initial bite than the metal masters. then again, you can't really say with them being in the rear.

MrMigs · 06-01-2003, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kalieaire
---My friend is using metal masters in the front, and kvr in the rear.

KVR pads undoubtedly very good with fade resistance, more so than semi-metallics. So he has never experienced fade with his kvrs, but he did notice they're not as quick w/ initial bite than the metal masters. then again, you can't really say with them being in the rear.

So did your friend have Metal Masters front and rear before and then later switch the rear pads to KVR?

kalieaire · 06-01-2003, 01:01 AM

he had stock pads in the rear when he installed the kvrs.

hurleyboi514 · 06-01-2003, 03:35 PM

dude, get the KVR's hands down. ive used both pads. the 1st pad i used was the KVR's and i loved them. they wouldnt fade out on me. i still had good braking after repeated mountain runs. the only problem was that my fluid couldnt handle them. i lost the pedal before the pad would fade. thats a good testament to them there. so if u do get them, get a nice brake fluid while your at it. i bought the axxis pads for the winter and they suck. i can get them to fade after a few good strong braking... and they leave alot of dust on my wheels. now, ive got Z brakes, im just deciding on trying a different pad or going with the KVR's again...

sspikey · 06-01-2003, 08:00 PM

no one on Hawk HP+?

*sykikchimp* · 06-02-2003, 11:33 AM

I agree with Hurleyboi that you need good fluid. I personally use ATE superblue, and have never boiled it at the track. Good stuff. Ford Heavy duty is good too, and also much cheaper.

I've never used the KVR pads, so no experience with them. I use porterfield R4S pads for street, and light track duty.

For the track I use Carbotech P+'s. May be moving to the XP's soon.

Cobalt brake pads are awesome too.

Call Andy at Cobalt, or Matt at Carbotech. Both great guys, and they both know WAY more about brake pads than me. Tell them what your doing, and they will recommend an appropriate pad.

I HATE hawk HP's.. the Blues are good track pads, but the HP's suck. I could get them to fade 2-3 laps into a session.

Dousan_PG · 06-02-2003, 11:37 AM

ive had KVRs. LOVE them. really great
now w/ the z brakes..dont know what i got..haha

going w/ URAS pads next. should be here ina couple weeks
still got the KVR in the back and does fine.

make sure fluid is good too. i got dot 3 right now but going 4 next time when change everything around.

MrMigs · 06-02-2003, 12:10 PM

Looks like I'll go with the KVRs then. I found them on PDMs site -- they always seem to seel useful parts. They seem to be cheaper than the Metal Masters anways.

GotDriftS14 · 06-27-2003, 06:27 AM

how do the KVR pads compare to EBC Greenstuff or Redstuff?

old_s13 · 06-27-2003, 10:11 AM

After using many variations of brake components, I am most content with Z32-TT front and rear calipers, Z32 MC, and Axxis Metal Master front and rear pads w/ Brembo OEM rotors (not drilled or slotted).

If you can warp OR fade the above setup, you are probably not using your brakes correctly or doing some serious downhill road racing where you will need a much higher quality brake setup (stopteck, brembo, etc).

- Mike

*sykikchimp* · 06-27-2003, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GotDriftS14
how do the KVR pads compare to EBC Greenstuff or Redstuff?

I personally hate the EBC pads. I've seen a set of redstuff pads completely disentigrate over the course of one track weekend.

GotDriftS14 · 06-27-2003, 11:37 AM

yeah ive heard similar things about the life of EBC pads, im going with KVR, ordering from PDM tonight.

240sxspeedracer1 · 06-27-2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sykikchimp
I personally hate the EBC pads. I've seen a set of redstuff pads completely disentigrate over the course of one track weekend.

probably wasn't broken in correctly. takes around 300-500miles for correct break in.

Roly · 06-27-2003, 09:06 PM

Axxis Original Deluxe. No fade, very little break dust, and $35 shipped from www.coximport.com . I've been using Axxis pads since 95 on 3 different cars and I'll never use another pad.

240_keyy · 06-27-2003, 09:27 PM

I have the Axxis Metal Masters all around with my 30mm Z32 rotors and calipers up front and stock calipers and rotors in back. They bite like a mofo and I have not yet made them fade, and this is with extended heavy braking on uber twisty roads.

They kinda dust up a bit, but eh, what do I care?

mrdaniel · 06-28-2003, 04:55 PM

ATE super blue is really cheap man..ten bucks a liter? come on!! haha its Castrol SRF thats expensive...$60 a liter but its almost impossible to boil it.

kalieaire · 06-29-2003, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 240sxspeedracer1
probably wasn't broken in correctly. takes around 300-500miles for correct break in.

that's not how you break in brake pads.

you're supposed to bed them in.

either hold onto your brakes while driving along, or drive to 50mph and stop almost completely VERY QUICKLY, and get back to 50 mph, and do this a few times. then go onto the freeway and drive for 20 minutes w/o stopping or using your brakes.

then take your car home, barely using the brakes, and let them cool off.

the bed in procedure is more aggressive for more aggressive pads.

nrcooled · 06-29-2003, 07:00 PM

I have Axxis now on the fronts and at the track I couldn't tell if the fadded or not beause my fluid about boiled out before I could get the pads to fade

I am going with the KVRs next

05-30-2003, 04:11 PM	#1
MrMigs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Gabriel, CA Age: 41 Posts: 1,675 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Axxis vs. KVR Brake Pads It's about time I started getting better brake pads. Normally, I just get the Pep Boys SPL, and compensate for brake fade by braking a lot earlier. So, anywho... I'm trying to choose between Axxis Metal Masters and KVR Carbon Kevlar pads for my S14. I plan to use them on my car for street/mtn/track use, and I'm basically looking for a pad that will work pretty well without needing to be warmed up and will also be fade resistant. I heard good things from these two sets of pads, and now I'd like to know which would be better to get. Anybody? __________________ Drifting is just a compromise between you and your car.

05-30-2003, 06:58 PM	#2
Natty Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I love my KVR, but they need to be warmed up a bit. It's not bad though. The chatter which is normal can get annoying, but I like them. I will go stock next time though, becuase I really don't need the extra performance shrug __________________ 1991 White 240sx Fastback LE, rusty spoiler, weak driveshaft, exhaust rattle.... Rattles are just your cars way of saying 'I love you.'

05-31-2003, 01:32 AM	#4
MrMigs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Gabriel, CA Age: 41 Posts: 1,675 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	hmm interesting... as long as they don't fade after a hard run, then that's good... it's all I'm looking for. I wonder how they compare to Metal Masters though -- in terms of fade. __________________ Drifting is just a compromise between you and your car.

05-31-2003, 11:29 AM	#5
kalieaire Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Milpitas, CA - SFBA Posts: 222 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have axxis ultimates in the front and metal masters in the rear. metal masters in the rear cost me ~38 bux at kragen. the ultimates cost me ~ 53 bux from brakewarehouse.com the ultimates dust way more than the metal masters, they're very similar to porterfield r4s's. not as much braking power and reduction in fade than r4s's, but they're comparable still. they have good initial bite, and haven't killed my already messed up rotors. They're also very quiet, and are pretty damn smooth. These are good for light track use. remember to use an aggressive bed in procedure for your pads with used rotors and you should be alright. ---My friend is using metal masters in the front, and kvr in the rear. KVR pads undoubtedly very good with fade resistance, more so than semi-metallics. So he has never experienced fade with his kvrs, but he did notice they're not as quick w/ initial bite than the metal masters. then again, you can't really say with them being in the rear. __________________ - -- - '93 240sx coupe '93 taurus wagon -kalieaire (maybe grinder too on special occasions)

06-01-2003, 01:01 AM	#7
kalieaire Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Milpitas, CA - SFBA Posts: 222 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he had stock pads in the rear when he installed the kvrs. __________________ - -- - '93 240sx coupe '93 taurus wagon -kalieaire (maybe grinder too on special occasions)

05-30-2003, 08:33 PM	#3
orange-grey Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 94 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My KVRs seem to have very little fade, even when literally smoking after a good downhill canyon run. Inital bite seems pretty stock, nice for street and auto-x. Don't know how they hold up under extended track use, however. Unfortunately I can't really compare them to anything but oem.

06-01-2003, 03:35 PM	#8
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude, get the KVR's hands down. ive used both pads. the 1st pad i used was the KVR's and i loved them. they wouldnt fade out on me. i still had good braking after repeated mountain runs. the only problem was that my fluid couldnt handle them. i lost the pedal before the pad would fade. thats a good testament to them there. so if u do get them, get a nice brake fluid while your at it. i bought the axxis pads for the winter and they suck. i can get them to fade after a few good strong braking... and they leave alot of dust on my wheels. now, ive got Z brakes, im just deciding on trying a different pad or going with the KVR's again... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

06-01-2003, 08:00 PM	#9
sspikey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 394 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no one on Hawk HP+? __________________ keeping it sideways cuz im too fast to drive straight.

06-02-2003, 11:33 AM	#10
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree with Hurleyboi that you need good fluid. I personally use ATE superblue, and have never boiled it at the track. Good stuff. Ford Heavy duty is good too, and also much cheaper. I've never used the KVR pads, so no experience with them. I use porterfield R4S pads for street, and light track duty. For the track I use Carbotech P+'s. May be moving to the XP's soon. Cobalt brake pads are awesome too. Call Andy at Cobalt, or Matt at Carbotech. Both great guys, and they both know WAY more about brake pads than me. Tell them what your doing, and they will recommend an appropriate pad. I HATE hawk HP's.. the Blues are good track pads, but the HP's suck. I could get them to fade 2-3 laps into a session. __________________

06-02-2003, 11:37 AM	#11
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	ive had KVRs. LOVE them. really great now w/ the z brakes..dont know what i got..haha going w/ URAS pads next. should be here ina couple weeks still got the KVR in the back and does fine. make sure fluid is good too. i got dot 3 right now but going 4 next time when change everything around. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

06-02-2003, 12:10 PM	#12
MrMigs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Gabriel, CA Age: 41 Posts: 1,675 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Looks like I'll go with the KVRs then. I found them on PDMs site -- they always seem to seel useful parts. They seem to be cheaper than the Metal Masters anways. __________________ Drifting is just a compromise between you and your car.

06-27-2003, 06:27 AM	#13
GotDriftS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Jose Age: 42 Posts: 556 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how do the KVR pads compare to EBC Greenstuff or Redstuff? __________________

06-27-2003, 10:11 AM	#14
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	After using many variations of brake components, I am most content with Z32-TT front and rear calipers, Z32 MC, and Axxis Metal Master front and rear pads w/ Brembo OEM rotors (not drilled or slotted). If you can warp OR fade the above setup, you are probably not using your brakes correctly or doing some serious downhill road racing where you will need a much higher quality brake setup (stopteck, brembo, etc). - Mike

06-27-2003, 11:37 AM	#16
GotDriftS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Jose Age: 42 Posts: 556 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah ive heard similar things about the life of EBC pads, im going with KVR, ordering from PDM tonight. __________________

06-27-2003, 09:06 PM	#18
Roly Nuclear Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 360 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Axxis Original Deluxe. No fade, very little break dust, and $35 shipped from www.coximport.com . I've been using Axxis pads since 95 on 3 different cars and I'll never use another pad. __________________ RACECAR spelled backwards still spells RACECAR

06-27-2003, 09:27 PM	#19
240_keyy Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: College Station, TX Age: 44 Posts: 255 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have the Axxis Metal Masters all around with my 30mm Z32 rotors and calipers up front and stock calipers and rotors in back. They bite like a mofo and I have not yet made them fade, and this is with extended heavy braking on uber twisty roads. They kinda dust up a bit, but eh, what do I care? __________________ There is a spoon...

06-28-2003, 04:55 PM	#20
mrdaniel Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 47 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ATE super blue is really cheap man..ten bucks a liter? come on!! haha its Castrol SRF thats expensive...$60 a liter but its almost impossible to boil it.

06-29-2003, 07:00 PM	#22
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have Axxis now on the fronts and at the track I couldn't tell if the fadded or not beause my fluid about boiled out before I could get the pads to fade I am going with the KVRs next __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP