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*handinpants* · 07-15-2009, 05:13 PM

wow after reading that post about proto motoring and hearing mixed feelings from peoples experience i googled them, and saw the services they offer.

then i checked the California Bureau of automotive repair to see where they stand as a shop and I find out that they have a delinquent BAR license, which means they are not legally operating their shop. how can they not renew, its already july 2009.

wow thats not shady at all.... i was going to post this info in that other thread buy phlip locked it.

here's the info i got

BUREAU OF AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR

Licensee Name:PROTO MOTORING License Type:Automobile Repair Dealer License Number:252649 License Status:Delinquent Definition Expiration Date:October 31, 2008 Address:5885 JURUPA AVENUE #C & D City:RIVERSIDE State:CA Zip:92504 County:RIVERSIDE Actions:No Green Station: N

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someone should report them..

zenki.life · 07-15-2009, 06:00 PM

hmm. this may be useful. thats why you should just learn how to work on your own car....or know someone who does. lol

s13 @ fullboost · 07-15-2009, 06:03 PM

Yeah I have also heard mixed feelings about them. I am sure some people will find this info useful

kushlivin · 07-15-2009, 06:13 PM

because their broke simple as that... Lets leave this alone already

udon! · 07-15-2009, 06:14 PM

fuck these guys. They dont have a dollar to thier name, I know someone who bought a car from them and found out its 2 different cars WELDED TOGETHER, and they would not take it back. another situation is that i know someone that was promised a completely rebuilt ka and when he got it he drove home and found out it had a blown headgasket.

theres countless problems that have risen from these butt-fucks, its not even funny. I had a friend call proto and tell them that there were threads on zilvia about them. then that faggitass motherfucker James just laughed along with a guy named dennis about the whole situation. there like dude we could care less.

all in all, just stay away. you have a better chance of trying to buy a used car from someone else, as well as do work.

t's-s14 · 07-15-2009, 10:23 PM

Hahahaha!!!!!!!! He does evey thing the back door way lol! Hes to broke to renew it probly!

I hope proto goes out of bussinesse for good!

Fries · 07-15-2009, 10:25 PM

I don't know anything about them, but from what I've read on the site...

Don't go.

P.s. I live in Kansas.

s14_driver · 07-15-2009, 10:43 PM

fuk proto when i was looking for an s14 people told me about them so i went and they wanted 10,000 for a 97 240 with a stock ka with salvage title, the interior sucked and the body kit was cracked every where dash was cracked

and from what other people have told me all of there cars are half assed

Matej · 07-15-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by udon!

I know someone who bought a car from them and found out its 2 different cars WELDED TOGETHER,

Haha, that is awesome.

Ben G · 07-15-2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14_driver

fuk proto when i was looking for an s14 people told me about them so i went and they wanted 10,000 for a 97 240 with a stock ka with salvage title, the interior sucked and the body kit was cracked every where dash was cracked

and from what other people have told me all of there cars are half assed

oh they dont even half ass it maybe a sixteenth if that

duffman1278 · 07-16-2009, 01:56 AM

Sadly, people STILL continue to go to these shops for some reason or another. I just don't understand why?

I mean if you search PROTO MOTORING into google you'll automatically come up with some threads about how they scam someone.

I guess some people just don't use the internet to research shops before they get work done there.

nissan240 · 07-16-2009, 02:05 AM

haha. if you guys didnt know they actually are just a bunch friends working on cars in the backyard now! i ive been there! i think their shop closed down use to be riverside but now all of their cars is in one of their house in san bernardino. they are a bunch of shady guys, i hear bad stories about them! dont let them fix your car, ive even heard stories that after fixing your car they'll come and steal your car, strip the shit out of it. someone should do something about it though! there are at least 5 to 10 stripped 240sx in their backyard, you guys can see it driving on the side of the streets.

s14_driver · 07-16-2009, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nissan240

haha. if you guys didnt know they actually are just a bunch friends working on cars in the backyard now! i ive been there! i think their shop closed down use to be riverside but now all of their cars is in one of their house in san bernardino. they are a bunch of shady guys, i hear bad stories about them! dont let them fix your car, ive even heard stories that after fixing your car they'll come and steal your car, strip the shit out of it. someone should do something about it though! there are at least 5 to 10 stripped 240sx in their backyard, you guys can see it driving on the side of the streets.

yea my bro told me that one of his friends friends bought a car from them and he ended up getting pulled over within the week for driving a stolen car

DataXUnknown · 07-16-2009, 02:34 AM

hmm, do you guys think we could actually find some of the stolen cars from zilvia in their backyards?

charlie321 · 07-16-2009, 02:41 AM

yeah, also, those of you that know of Expo motors, they are the same company! Becareful. a buddy of mine bought a car from there, woke up to find that some people were trying to break into his car, and verified that it was one of the workers before they fled. Do not associate with Expo or Proto!

s14_driver · 07-16-2009, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DataXUnknown

hmm, do you guys think we could actually find some of the stolen cars from zilvia in their backyards?

shit you might
they probably use this website to scope out peoples rides

ronmcdon · 07-16-2009, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffman1278

Sadly, people STILL continue to go to these shops for some reason or another. I just don't understand why?

I mean if you search PROTO MOTORING into google you'll automatically come up with some threads about how they scam someone.

I guess some people just don't use the internet to research shops before they get work done there.

Some ppl simply don't have that thought of 'research' ever occur to them.
They might not even learn the hard way.

Lot of times, buyers get all emotionally riled up from anticipating a purchase,
to the point where they don't even behave rational.
Could be 'retail therapy'.
There are a multitude of explanations no doubt.

Questionable enterprises in any industry are always plentiful.
It's more a case of customers screwing themselves over.
There will always be a market for that.

*handinpants* · 07-16-2009, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Some ppl simply don't have that thought of 'research' ever occur to them.
They might not even learn the hard way.

Lot of times, buyers get all emotionally riled up from anticipating a purchase,
to the point where they don't even behave rational.

.

i've seen it, i've prolly done it too....
are these guys actual car dealers or what? with a used car dealer license? i'm gonna look into that.

duffman1278 · 07-16-2009, 11:25 AM

It's pretty funny because just after I posted, I did a quick google search and sure enough, one of the first threads on there was about a guy who was pissed because he bought a crap car from Proto for 8000$. All stock 1995 240SX.

So I guess it shows what ronmcdon's said, being played out.

Funny part was that one of the owners posted in the thread and the idiot said that he does not sell junk cars but claimed that because they're old cars and people drift them and race them, that they'll have problems.

**Phlip** · 07-16-2009, 11:36 AM

Be careful, guys... He may come into this thread and offer $500 to someone to tell him where you live so he can come beat you up.

ZX88 · 07-16-2009, 11:38 AM

no offense but this has been pretty common knowlege with most people on this forum since 2005. there are countless threads about how proto are scamers.

g-via · 07-16-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLIP

Be careful, guys... He may come into this thread and offer $500 to someone to tell him where you live so he can come beat you up.

hahahahaha some people are tools.

and they drive ugly ass FD's

udon! · 07-16-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLIP

Be careful, guys... He may come into this thread and offer $500 to someone to tell him where you live so he can come beat you up.

he doesnt even have $500

karl wasabi · 07-16-2009, 12:14 PM

I bought my first car from them like 4 years ago when I was a newb. The car was a bit overpriced and it didn't really come out the way I wanted it to, and it took a long time for them to "put the car together".

The people there are nice, didn't really think they were shady at all. IDK if they have changed since 4 years ago, but the car I bought from them was awesome up until the point where I wrecked it.

Just wanted to share my experience.

Team DET · 07-16-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g-via

hahahahaha some people are tools.

and they drive ugly ass FD's

is that the owner's car from proto i seen that car before

blackrms13 · 07-16-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl wasabi

I bought my first car from them like 4 years ago when I was a newb. The car was a bit overpriced and it didn't really come out the way I wanted it to, and it took a long time for them to "put the car together".

The people there are nice, didn't really think they were shady at all. IDK if they have changed since 4 years ago, but the car I bought from them was awesome up until the point where I wrecked it.

Just wanted to share my experience.

ive heard a few people talked about how they are good "back in the days"
but things just went downhill...
now all i hear is bad stories

Harris · 07-16-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fries

I don't know anything about them, but from what I've read on the site...

Don't go.

P.s. I live in Kansas.

Come to me instead, if you're in KS, LOL! Fries knows I'll do anything for free as long as you're willing to learn how to DIY. Now, don't send me any PMs about building your motor or what have you just yet. I'm currently in Iraq and I sure won't be able to do much all the way from here.

P.S. I'm not a business owner or anything. I'm just a U.S. service member who is a car enthusiast when I'm not deployed. I love building motors and helping others out, so if anyone ever needs any kind of help, I'd be more than willing to be of help. That's how I started out in the car scene. There were people who helped me out a bit, and I'm just paying it forward. Haha, I used a cliche comment on a car forum!

Back on topic, business owners like these are why I feel it is important for us all to learn how to work on our cars as much as we can. Use a machine shop for advanced work, but do what you can on your own. Not only will it keep your costs down, but it'll give you a sense of pride once you turn that key because you'll know it was your blood, sweat and curses that led to having the car of your dreams waiting on you to drive it.

drift_limo · 07-16-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by udon!

he doesnt even have $500

he better start making that money then

XenoVibe · 07-16-2009, 06:16 PM

"Welcome to Proto Motoring where our motto is 'The white race is supreme' "

illvialuver · 07-16-2009, 06:16 PM

I went there once when I was first looking for an s14, and I just moved to so cal.
They tried to sell me a zenki se but when I looked at it it was a base model, with an se badge on the trunk, with a salvaged title. the car was lacking every single amenity that makes it an se. I start looking at the other cars, and everything was tripple priced, and some poor fool just bought a car as I was leaving and the car broke down right as it left the drive way.

Shady like a forrest. That is my opinion.

I have heard if you are one of there friends they do good work but if you are dumb they will take you to the cleaners.

07-15-2009, 05:13 PM	#1
handinpants FreshColdBeer.com Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Age: 42 Posts: 2,665 Trader Rating: (48) Rides Gallery: handinpants Feedback Score: 48 reviews	proto motoring shady? wow after reading that post about proto motoring and hearing mixed feelings from peoples experience i googled them, and saw the services they offer. then i checked the California Bureau of automotive repair to see where they stand as a shop and I find out that they have a delinquent BAR license, which means they are not legally operating their shop. how can they not renew, its already july 2009. wow thats not shady at all.... i was going to post this info in that other thread buy phlip locked it. here's the info i got BUREAU OF AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR Licensee Name:PROTO MOTORING License Type:Automobile Repair Dealer License Number:252649 License Status:Delinquent Definition Expiration Date:October 31, 2008 Address:5885 JURUPA AVENUE #C & D City:RIVERSIDE State:CA Zip:92504 County:RIVERSIDE Actions:No Green Station: N Business Owners BELAMIDE ARNOLD J , Related Licenses/Registrations/Permits No records returned Disciplinary Actions No information available from this agency Disciplinary Documentation This information is updated Monday through Friday - Last updated: JUL-14-2009 Disclaimer All information provided by the Department of Consumer Affairs on this web page, and on its other web pages and internet sites, is made available to provide immediate access for the convenience of interested persons. While the Department believes the information to be reliable, human or mechanical error remains a possibility, as does delay in the posting or updating of information. Therefore, the Department makes no guarantee as to the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, currency, or correct sequencing of the information. Neither the Department, nor any of the sources of the information, shall be responsible for any errors or omissions, or for the use or results obtained from the use of this information. Other specific cautionary notices may be included on other web pages maintained by the Department. All access to and use of this web page and any other web page or internet site of the Department is governed by the Disclaimers and Conditions for Access and Use as set forth at California Department of Consumer Affairs' Disclaimer Information and Use Information. http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=252649&P _LTE_ID=1101 someone should report them.. __________________

07-15-2009, 06:03 PM	#3
s13 @ fullboost Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St.Petersburg,FL Posts: 2,550 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Yeah I have also heard mixed feelings about them. I am sure some people will find this info useful __________________

07-15-2009, 10:25 PM	#7
Fries Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas/or/Afghanistan Age: 37 Posts: 1,514 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I don't know anything about them, but from what I've read on the site... Don't go. P.s. I live in Kansas. __________________

07-16-2009, 01:56 AM	#11
duffman1278 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Covina Age: 37 Posts: 2,844 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: duffman1278 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Sadly, people STILL continue to go to these shops for some reason or another. I just don't understand why? I mean if you search PROTO MOTORING into google you'll automatically come up with some threads about how they scam someone. I guess some people just don't use the internet to research shops before they get work done there. __________________

07-16-2009, 02:41 AM	#15
charlie321 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Long Beach, CA Age: 33 Posts: 989 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	yeah, also, those of you that know of Expo motors, they are the same company! Becareful. a buddy of mine bought a car from there, woke up to find that some people were trying to break into his car, and verified that it was one of the workers before they fled. Do not associate with Expo or Proto! __________________

07-15-2009, 06:14 PM	#5
udon! Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So-Cal Posts: 2,025 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	fuck these guys. They dont have a dollar to thier name, I know someone who bought a car from them and found out its 2 different cars WELDED TOGETHER, and they would not take it back. another situation is that i know someone that was promised a completely rebuilt ka and when he got it he drove home and found out it had a blown headgasket. theres countless problems that have risen from these butt-fucks, its not even funny. I had a friend call proto and tell them that there were threads on zilvia about them. then that faggitass motherfucker James just laughed along with a guy named dennis about the whole situation. there like dude we could care less. all in all, just stay away. you have a better chance of trying to buy a used car from someone else, as well as do work.

07-15-2009, 10:23 PM	#6
t's-s14 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SO CAL!!!!!!!! Age: 35 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hahahaha!!!!!!!! He does evey thing the back door way lol! Hes to broke to renew it probly! I hope proto goes out of bussinesse for good!

07-15-2009, 10:43 PM	#8
s14_driver Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: riverside Age: 35 Posts: 460 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	fuk proto when i was looking for an s14 people told me about them so i went and they wanted 10,000 for a 97 240 with a stock ka with salvage title, the interior sucked and the body kit was cracked every where dash was cracked and from what other people have told me all of there cars are half assed

07-16-2009, 02:05 AM	#12
nissan240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: socal Posts: 690 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	haha. if you guys didnt know they actually are just a bunch friends working on cars in the backyard now! i ive been there! i think their shop closed down use to be riverside but now all of their cars is in one of their house in san bernardino. they are a bunch of shady guys, i hear bad stories about them! dont let them fix your car, ive even heard stories that after fixing your car they'll come and steal your car, strip the shit out of it. someone should do something about it though! there are at least 5 to 10 stripped 240sx in their backyard, you guys can see it driving on the side of the streets.

07-16-2009, 02:34 AM	#14
DataXUnknown Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Age: 35 Posts: 2,934 Trader Rating: (30) Rides Gallery: DataXUnknown Feedback Score: 30 reviews	hmm, do you guys think we could actually find some of the stolen cars from zilvia in their backyards?

07-16-2009, 11:25 AM	#19
duffman1278 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Covina Age: 37 Posts: 2,844 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: duffman1278 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	It's pretty funny because just after I posted, I did a quick google search and sure enough, one of the first threads on there was about a guy who was pissed because he bought a crap car from Proto for 8000$. All stock 1995 240SX. So I guess it shows what ronmcdon's said, being played out. Funny part was that one of the owners posted in the thread and the idiot said that he does not sell junk cars but claimed that because they're old cars and people drift them and race them, that they'll have problems. __________________

07-16-2009, 11:36 AM	#20
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Be careful, guys... He may come into this thread and offer $500 to someone to tell him where you live so he can come beat you up. __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

07-16-2009, 11:38 AM	#21
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 36 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	no offense but this has been pretty common knowlege with most people on this forum since 2005. there are countless threads about how proto are scamers.

07-16-2009, 12:14 PM	#24
karl wasabi Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walnut/SoCal Posts: 3,898 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	I bought my first car from them like 4 years ago when I was a newb. The car was a bit overpriced and it didn't really come out the way I wanted it to, and it took a long time for them to "put the car together". The people there are nice, didn't really think they were shady at all. IDK if they have changed since 4 years ago, but the car I bought from them was awesome up until the point where I wrecked it. Just wanted to share my experience. __________________ Karl Wasabi Private Seller - Review Thread

07-16-2009, 06:16 PM	#29
XenoVibe BANNED Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 41 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"Welcome to Proto Motoring where our motto is 'The white race is supreme' "

07-16-2009, 06:16 PM	#30
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 42 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	I went there once when I was first looking for an s14, and I just moved to so cal. They tried to sell me a zenki se but when I looked at it it was a base model, with an se badge on the trunk, with a salvaged title. the car was lacking every single amenity that makes it an se. I start looking at the other cars, and everything was tripple priced, and some poor fool just bought a car as I was leaving and the car broke down right as it left the drive way. Shady like a forrest. That is my opinion. I have heard if you are one of there friends they do good work but if you are dumb they will take you to the cleaners.