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Dousan_PG · 06-06-2003, 02:49 PM

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Judge: Woman Can't Wear Veil in ID Photo
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By MIKE BRANOM, Associated Press Writer

ORLANDO, Fla. - A Florida judge ruled Friday that a Muslim woman cannot wear a veil in her driver's license photo, agreeing with state authorities that the practice could help terrorists conceal their identities.

After hearing three days of testimony last week, Circuit Judge Janet C. Thorpe ruled that Sultaana Freeman's right to free exercise of religion would not be infringed by having to show her face on her license.

Thorpe said the state "has a compelling interest in protecting the public from criminal activities and security threats," and "having access to photo image identification is essential to promote that interest."

Freeman, 35, had obtained a license in 2001 that showed her veiled with only her eyes visible through a slit. But after the Sept. 11 attacks, the state demanded that she return to have her photo retaken with her face uncovered. She refused and the state revoked her license.

Freeman sued the state of Florida, saying it would violate her Islamic beliefs to show her face publicly.

Her case was taken up by the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which saw the case as a test of free religious expression. Some conservative commentators ridiculed the case, saying it would be absurd to allow people to obscure their faces in ID photos.

Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail had argued that Islamic law has exceptions that allow women to expose their faces if it serves a public good, and that arrangements could be made to have Freeman photographed with only women present to allay her concerns about modesty.

"Nothing is more important than making sure that our people are safe, and (Thorpe's) good logic in making sure Floridians continue to be able to be safe is very, very important," Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Friday.

Freeman's lawyers argued that instead of a driver's license photo, she could use other documents such as a birth certificate or Social Security (news - web sites) card to prove her identity.

Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, started wearing a veil in 1997. She had a mug shot taken without the veil after her arrest in Illinois in 1998 on a domestic battery charge involving one of twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

Child welfare workers told investigators that Freeman and her husband had used their concerns about religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to the police records. The girls were removed from the home.

Steeles · 06-06-2003, 02:59 PM

Denied by the system! thats funny.. whats the point of a picture ID... if theres no picture...? but still it dosnt mean she didnt pass all her driving tests . an intresting case

BeatJunky · 06-06-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by dousan36
Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, started wearing a veil in 1997. She had a mug shot taken without the veil after her arrest in Illinois in 1998 on a domestic battery charge involving one of twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

Child welfare workers told investigators that Freeman and her husband had used their concerns about religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to the police records. The girls were removed from the home.

That freeman phruck is full of --->

-E- · 06-06-2003, 04:41 PM

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Freeman sued the state of Florida, saying it would violate her Islamic beliefs to show her face publicly.

wow this lady is full of sh it they where saying on tv that in some Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia the women MUST REMOVE their veil when taking a picture I.D

240sx_booger · 08-20-2003, 10:05 AM

Thats pretty interesting, though I have seen a Drivers License with a redneck sportin' his cowboy hat and thats illegal in FL too...but i guess because the majority of people down here are rednecks, its ok. Only in FL...

Steeles · 08-20-2003, 10:14 AM

only in Fl do they bring back 2 month old dead posts......

240sx_booger · 08-20-2003, 12:33 PM

just boredom...

06-06-2003, 02:49 PM	#1
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	No veil for FL! Link to Yahoo news Judge: Woman Can't Wear Veil in ID Photo 2 hours, 1 minute ago Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo! By MIKE BRANOM, Associated Press Writer ORLANDO, Fla. - A Florida judge ruled Friday that a Muslim woman cannot wear a veil in her driver's license photo, agreeing with state authorities that the practice could help terrorists conceal their identities. After hearing three days of testimony last week, Circuit Judge Janet C. Thorpe ruled that Sultaana Freeman's right to free exercise of religion would not be infringed by having to show her face on her license. Thorpe said the state "has a compelling interest in protecting the public from criminal activities and security threats," and "having access to photo image identification is essential to promote that interest." Freeman, 35, had obtained a license in 2001 that showed her veiled with only her eyes visible through a slit. But after the Sept. 11 attacks, the state demanded that she return to have her photo retaken with her face uncovered. She refused and the state revoked her license. Freeman sued the state of Florida, saying it would violate her Islamic beliefs to show her face publicly. Her case was taken up by the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which saw the case as a test of free religious expression. Some conservative commentators ridiculed the case, saying it would be absurd to allow people to obscure their faces in ID photos. Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail had argued that Islamic law has exceptions that allow women to expose their faces if it serves a public good, and that arrangements could be made to have Freeman photographed with only women present to allay her concerns about modesty. "Nothing is more important than making sure that our people are safe, and (Thorpe's) good logic in making sure Floridians continue to be able to be safe is very, very important," Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Friday. Freeman's lawyers argued that instead of a driver's license photo, she could use other documents such as a birth certificate or Social Security (news - web sites) card to prove her identity. Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, started wearing a veil in 1997. She had a mug shot taken without the veil after her arrest in Illinois in 1998 on a domestic battery charge involving one of twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care. Child welfare workers told investigators that Freeman and her husband had used their concerns about religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to the police records. The girls were removed from the home. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira Last edited by Dousan_PG; 06-06-2003 at 03:01 PM..

06-06-2003, 02:59 PM	#2
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 48 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Denied by the system! thats funny.. whats the point of a picture ID... if theres no picture...? but still it dosnt mean she didnt pass all her driving tests . an intresting case __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

08-20-2003, 10:14 AM	#6
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 48 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	only in Fl do they bring back 2 month old dead posts...... __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

08-20-2003, 10:05 AM	#5
240sx_booger Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cent fl Age: 46 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thats pretty interesting, though I have seen a Drivers License with a redneck sportin' his cowboy hat and thats illegal in FL too...but i guess because the majority of people down here are rednecks, its ok. Only in FL...

08-20-2003, 12:33 PM	#7
240sx_booger Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cent fl Age: 46 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just boredom...