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*AceInHole* · 02-15-2002, 11:07 PM

What's up with a sh!t load of people and their crazy infatuation with drifting??  (That and SR's).  It seems like every day there's more crap on how to drift, and the best suspension for drifting, and the best turbo for drifting, and this motor is better for drifting, and I want a drift style wing/ body kit.  I mean.... what the ####??
Beyond that, what's up with all the people saying they "drift" then asking where they can get an LSD, then claiming they drift with an open diff, and show picures which BLATANTLY show that they're only throttle steering at most?!?!?  
Someone should point out that drifting was born in the USA, and is therefore lame, since only Japanese crap is cool [we've all seen early stock car racing, outlaws, sprinters, etc...].  Seriously.....

boosteds14 · 02-15-2002, 11:17 PM

i hear ya!!

zephyr · 02-15-2002, 11:45 PM

i bet half the people asking how to drift and all that jazz can't even steer through a 60degree turn over 30 without wetting themselves

s15dude · 02-15-2002, 11:45 PM

Its fricken Super Street and SCC and there JDM drifter "articles". Oh well. At least more people are respecting Nissans and 240's.

*DSC* · 02-15-2002, 11:48 PM

I think its just the videos get people pumped. I often keep a pic of someones wrecked 240 as my background, so whenever I finish watching a racing or drifting video I see that...keeps me safe.

I did the same thing tho when I got my 240, heard about drifting and saw videos and went out to try it...almost wrecked, ya know the usual "i have a jap rwd sports car I'm a crazy driftin mofo like the guy in inital-D" hehe now that I beg my car to GRIP, I'm past all that...

Oh, and although I doubt you were talking about me...that section was labeled "power sliding" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

*Grant* · 02-16-2002, 12:08 AM

wow, am I one of the only few that does "grip" driving in  my car? lol  I never drifted my car before, unless you drifting is referred to as breaking the rear end of your car loose? :confused:. oh well, yes it does get sickening after a while drift this, drift that.. arrghh.

s15dude · 02-16-2002, 12:08 AM

Hey DSC, were you looking for a blue S14 or did you just come upon it? If you were looking how long did it take you to find one? Cuz thats the color I want to get.

Zemus · 02-16-2002, 12:13 AM

Its all about Initial D, thats the main thing, it made me want to drift, but then after i thought about it, whats the point, unless you are driving on a mountain pass..

PERSONALLY I would rather do like Hardcore Street Racing on the Freeway like in "Tokyo Street Race Extreme" for PS2, thats a bad ass game

whateverjames · 02-16-2002, 12:28 AM

i've always wanted to say something about that but i didn't want people to take it the wrong way for complaining about the drift trend, because a lot of people have 'drift' in their screen name, and there's no need to offend them because they aren't always talking about it, but a lot of other people are. anyway, yeah, i don't see what the big obsession with drifting is really, it's one big ass trend. i understand over in japan, they don't have long roads to drive on, it's a well established sport, blahblahblah, but there is no point in trying to drift on public streets. i love drifting on gran turismo, but in real life? nah. most kids think because they "kick out the back end for more than 2 seconds", they're all of a sudden a drifter, but then they say, "I still have a lot to learn about the art of the drift culture". come on now. hehe. grant i feel the same way, while a lot of these folks are trying to drift, i'm trying make my car "grip" in any way it can.

misnomer · 02-16-2002, 01:11 AM

Hehe, drifting on a mountain road is a quick and easy way to get yourself killed, if you're into that sort of thing. I'm more of a grip driver myself. . .

DuffMan · 02-16-2002, 02:28 AM

I think drifting is rather... well, pointless.

Someone said something about Initial D being shown in the states. I bet we'll all have a bunch of 16 year old kids begging us to sell them our cars if they ever do.

whateverjames · 02-16-2002, 02:54 AM

i've never seen initial d to be honest. i've had people say my car looks like a car in initial d (i assume the body style?). are there any downloadable clips? i want to see what this whole other trend is <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

(Edited by whateverjames at 3:55 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

Goodbar6 · 02-16-2002, 08:10 AM

I like the way some of the drift cars look. I like how they tend to have small understated spoilers and descent body kits....BUT, my car is made to grip and i like it. I am an avid autocrosser, and someday hope to setup a ITA race car, and build my own roll cage and the such.
I think drifting caught on because it is kinda a "JDM" thing, and that makes people go ooo ahhhh.
I duno botu aces comment on drifting being started in the states. I wouldent consider drifting only left while still trying to get the fastest time "drifting" (sprint cars).

Tyler

Tuck&Poke · 02-16-2002, 09:10 AM

yea drifting has no use except to show off.  all it does is make you look "cool" and slow you down on a turn.  whenever you break you tires loose on a race your going slower than i your tires are hooked up to the pavement.  i have drifted and will probably do it to show off to the guy i just beat or to a friend but thats it.

JDM S13 · 02-16-2002, 09:54 AM

The reason I would like to learn how to drift is because I want to be able to control my car in any situation.  I don't think there is anything wrong with knowing how to drive your car in every possible way.  If someone who only grip drives loses it on a ramp or such he/she might not be able to regain control as easily as someone who is a good drifter.

Forget about the "trend" crap.  I say it's all about driving skill in general.  I want to be one with the car, and I believe knowing how to drift is just as essential as knowing how to "grip" drive.  And I don't mean drifting on side streets and killing someone.  
No need to diss something that obviously involves A LOT of skill and practice.  Just be smart about it.  Grip driving can be crazy dangerous to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

rubbersidedown · 02-16-2002, 11:15 AM

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... since only Japanese crap is cool.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
right....

(Edited by rubbersidedown at 11:16 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

*transient* · 02-16-2002, 11:20 AM

Well, as far as drifting being slower than grip driving, it all depends on the corner. You can drift a 90 degree and come out of it MUCH faster than you could while gripping. Seriously, I don't know much about drifting, but just by ebraking through the 90 degree by my house, I can come out with an exit speed of around 25 miles per hour. How do you expect a toyota tercel to do that while grip driving?

Also, my major thing with drifting is that it takes a LOT of skill. Things like that really draw me in, cuz with everything I do, I want to be the best i possibly can at it.

I'm not going to practice drifting in my 240 anytime soon because I think I still have a LONG way to go with grip driving, but if I feel that i've hit a wall and can't go any faster, i'm going to learn to drift.

And on top of everything i've already said, It's fun to kick the back end out, it's a rush. There are a lot of reasons for wanting to get into drifting.

my240likenoother · 02-16-2002, 12:47 PM

thanks <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

burgy240 · 02-16-2002, 01:18 PM

It is a rush but to many people don't know drifting from sliding.  I can slide(as most of us can) w/ anyone, but not drift.  I just want that feeling of controlling something that is almost out of control.  I fool around with it in my winter ride 88'330z, but grip drive in my 240.  It's about driver ability for me I could care less if anyone ever sees me "drift" ......If I ever truelly learn how.  

S13Grl · 02-16-2002, 01:36 PM

To those who know what they're doing, it's a sport and nothing to show off on. It's just as the rest of you guys say it is: kids showing off... wishing they were cool.

s15dude · 02-16-2002, 03:25 PM

Has anyone else noticed how the current trends in the "import scene" are going toward making "JDM replicas" and all things JDM. Also it seems like more and more people are ditching their big spoilers.

sspikey · 02-16-2002, 03:33 PM

ive drag raced. found it boring. get a good start and shift well and thats it. highway racing is car dependent and hella dangerous. but drifting is just a great feeling. its like a rollercoaster feeling but that you can control. all ive never drifted till now but have just kicked the back out. all the cars were automatic though. and all the turns were 90 degree corners. but just for those small things ive done. its a great feeling. i love it. its one of the only motorsports were its VERY dependent on the driver. but one thing that is getting annoying is how everyone says they drift without an lsd. drifting is taking MULTIPLE turns and nothing having grip at any time. powersliding is just sliding around a corner. in drifting you have to set up before.

JDM S13 · 02-16-2002, 03:49 PM

so drifting is only done with an LSD?  It's still good to practice powersliding to begin with isn't it?

whateverjames · 02-16-2002, 05:56 PM

i think it would better to learn the limits of what your car can do first, and take track lessons or participate in autocrossing first.

drift freaq · 02-17-2002, 12:39 AM

ok I will jump in here. Yes I have drifted yes it was high speed yes its on th edge and vary dangerous ,if you do not know what your doing and yes you can kill your can in an instant doing it.
On the other its addictiing as #### . Its the kinda thing that gives you such an adranaline rush you just have to go do it again and again. Call me a nut this started a long time ago for me with 510's and 240z's before the term was even coined.
Ace is right , it originated in the U.S. super modified racers have been doing it for over 40 years as well as all dirt oval racers . The only real difference is the fact that Japanese drivers started doing it on paved real roads and not dirt tracks. Now they do it on race tracks in Japan because it has become like a regular type of racing event over there.
its actually something I am getting back into because its just plain fun to me. Its prefferably done on a race track so your in a safe situation if you do lose it you just wind up off the track in the scrubs.
I also dig grip and going really fast . #### I just like driving my car in all possible ways again this goes back a long way with me.
Oh yeah track racing in the U.S. is so #### expensive that drifting just seems a little more appealing price wise . yes I guess I am crazy :biggrin:
I also think this one of the few times I have actually talked about drifting.

*AceInHole* · 02-17-2002, 09:58 AM

Seriously, drifting isn't bad.... I'm just getting annoyed with all the hype about it.
FOR THE RECORD (dammit): Technically, you can't carry a drift with an open diff.  If you watch REAL drifting, you'd notice that the rear end isn't only sliding, it's pushing the car (ideally as accelerating the car as close to the center point of the turn as possible) through the turn.  With an open diff, one tire WILL not have power, and just drag itself.  If you DO think you're drifting with an open diff, it's most likely your diff is broken and you've got a solid rear end, or you're just dragging the rear through the turn, and attempting to control the rotation of the car with the throttle.

There I said it.  Have a nice day.

Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job.

Tuck&Poke · 02-17-2002, 10:24 AM

its impossible to go through a corner faster drifting than it is grip driving.  the physics of friction dont allow it.  you can go into the turn faster but you come out slower.  grip driving you have to slow down more but once you pass the apex you can accelerate out of it and have the car push you out.  when tires slide they produce a #### of a lot of friction slowing your car down dramaticaly.  it probably just feels faster which ive noticed whenever i drift.  you feel like your going faster cause your nerves are on edge and your hypersensitive. if drifting was faster then dont you think most pro racers would do it.  their main goal is not to break any tires loose.  ive never in a race seen someone slide on purpose.

crazycuban · 02-17-2002, 12:38 PM

Drifting, and the whole JDM thing, is just people trying to be different...seems like people either want to fit in, or be different, and although JDM is the trend now, so it would really be fitting in, people think of it as something different...I guess cuz it's Japanese.  Heh, I guess it's trendy now to be different....kinda ironic...to fit in, you can't fit in.  Actually though, none of us are outside of that either though...we say "wtf is up with drifters", but on the other hand most of us have said we like the 240SX because it's different.  Whats up with that?  I guess its just another way of expressing individuality.

91CRXsiR · 02-17-2002, 12:46 PM

when i 1st got my 240 i took a turn a lil too fast and my rear swung out .. i almost wet my pants.

the next day i went to a parking lot and started losing control on purpose (drift etc.. ) so when it happens agian .. ( it will happen it agian , rain) i will be able to control my car and not smash it into a wall or somethig.

drift freaq · 02-17-2002, 01:20 PM

ACE writes......
Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job.
______________________________________________

so true and a good point I forgot to mention. thank you Ace for stepping in and bringing it up.

02-15-2002, 11:07 PM	#1
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What's up with a sh!t load of people and their crazy infatuation with drifting??  (That and SR's).  It seems like every day there's more crap on how to drift, and the best suspension for drifting, and the best turbo for drifting, and this motor is better for drifting, and I want a drift style wing/ body kit.  I mean.... what the ####?? Beyond that, what's up with all the people saying they "drift" then asking where they can get an LSD, then claiming they drift with an open diff, and show picures which BLATANTLY show that they're only throttle steering at most?!?!?   Someone should point out that drifting was born in the USA, and is therefore lame, since only Japanese crap is cool [we've all seen early stock car racing, outlaws, sprinters, etc...].  Seriously.....

02-15-2002, 11:17 PM	#2
boosteds14 Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CIPmotorsports Age: 43 Posts: 1,612 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i hear ya!!

02-15-2002, 11:45 PM	#3
zephyr Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 356 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i bet half the people asking how to drift and all that jazz can't even steer through a 60degree turn over 30 without wetting themselves

02-15-2002, 11:45 PM	#4
s15dude Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 503 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its fricken Super Street and SCC and there JDM drifter "articles". Oh well. At least more people are respecting Nissans and 240's.

02-15-2002, 11:48 PM	#5
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think its just the videos get people pumped. I often keep a pic of someones wrecked 240 as my background, so whenever I finish watching a racing or drifting video I see that...keeps me safe. I did the same thing tho when I got my 240, heard about drifting and saw videos and went out to try it...almost wrecked, ya know the usual "i have a jap rwd sports car I'm a crazy driftin mofo like the guy in inital-D" hehe now that I beg my car to GRIP, I'm past all that... Oh, and although I doubt you were talking about me...that section was labeled "power sliding" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

02-16-2002, 12:08 AM	#6
Grant Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: 聖地牙哥 Posts: 2,647 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Grant Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow, am I one of the only few that does "grip" driving in  my car? lol  I never drifted my car before, unless you drifting is referred to as breaking the rear end of your car loose? :confused:. oh well, yes it does get sickening after a while drift this, drift that.. arrghh.

02-16-2002, 12:13 AM	#8
Zemus Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minneapols Age: 40 Posts: 2,268 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Zemus Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its all about Initial D, thats the main thing, it made me want to drift, but then after i thought about it, whats the point, unless you are driving on a mountain pass.. PERSONALLY I would rather do like Hardcore Street Racing on the Freeway like in "Tokyo Street Race Extreme" for PS2, thats a bad ass game

02-16-2002, 12:28 AM	#9
whateverjames Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Age: 45 Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've always wanted to say something about that but i didn't want people to take it the wrong way for complaining about the drift trend, because a lot of people have 'drift' in their screen name, and there's no need to offend them because they aren't always talking about it, but a lot of other people are. anyway, yeah, i don't see what the big obsession with drifting is really, it's one big ass trend. i understand over in japan, they don't have long roads to drive on, it's a well established sport, blahblahblah, but there is no point in trying to drift on public streets. i love drifting on gran turismo, but in real life? nah. most kids think because they "kick out the back end for more than 2 seconds", they're all of a sudden a drifter, but then they say, "I still have a lot to learn about the art of the drift culture". come on now. hehe. grant i feel the same way, while a lot of these folks are trying to drift, i'm trying make my car "grip" in any way it can.

02-16-2002, 01:11 AM	#10
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hehe, drifting on a mountain road is a quick and easy way to get yourself killed, if you're into that sort of thing. I'm more of a grip driver myself. . .

02-16-2002, 02:28 AM	#11
DuffMan Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in a cardboard box Posts: 2,517 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think drifting is rather... well, pointless. Someone said something about Initial D being shown in the states. I bet we'll all have a bunch of 16 year old kids begging us to sell them our cars if they ever do.

02-16-2002, 02:54 AM	#12
whateverjames Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Age: 45 Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've never seen initial d to be honest. i've had people say my car looks like a car in initial d (i assume the body style?). are there any downloadable clips? i want to see what this whole other trend is <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> (Edited by whateverjames at 3:55 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

02-16-2002, 08:10 AM	#13
Goodbar6 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I like the way some of the drift cars look. I like how they tend to have small understated spoilers and descent body kits....BUT, my car is made to grip and i like it. I am an avid autocrosser, and someday hope to setup a ITA race car, and build my own roll cage and the such. I think drifting caught on because it is kinda a "JDM" thing, and that makes people go ooo ahhhh. I duno botu aces comment on drifting being started in the states. I wouldent consider drifting only left while still trying to get the fastest time "drifting" (sprint cars). Tyler

02-16-2002, 09:10 AM	#14
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea drifting has no use except to show off.  all it does is make you look "cool" and slow you down on a turn.  whenever you break you tires loose on a race your going slower than i your tires are hooked up to the pavement.  i have drifted and will probably do it to show off to the guy i just beat or to a friend but thats it.

02-16-2002, 09:54 AM	#15
JDM S13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 175 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The reason I would like to learn how to drift is because I want to be able to control my car in any situation.  I don't think there is anything wrong with knowing how to drive your car in every possible way.  If someone who only grip drives loses it on a ramp or such he/she might not be able to regain control as easily as someone who is a good drifter. Forget about the "trend" crap.  I say it's all about driving skill in general.  I want to be one with the car, and I believe knowing how to drift is just as essential as knowing how to "grip" drive.  And I don't mean drifting on side streets and killing someone.   No need to diss something that obviously involves A LOT of skill and practice.  Just be smart about it.  Grip driving can be crazy dangerous to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

02-16-2002, 11:15 AM	#16
rubbersidedown Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 343 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from AceInHole on 11<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>7 pm on Feb. 15, 2002 ... since only Japanese crap is cool.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> right.... (Edited by rubbersidedown at 11:16 am on Feb. 16, 2002)

02-16-2002, 11:20 AM	#17
transient Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Los Angeles, California Age: 41 Posts: 2,947 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, as far as drifting being slower than grip driving, it all depends on the corner. You can drift a 90 degree and come out of it MUCH faster than you could while gripping. Seriously, I don't know much about drifting, but just by ebraking through the 90 degree by my house, I can come out with an exit speed of around 25 miles per hour. How do you expect a toyota tercel to do that while grip driving? Also, my major thing with drifting is that it takes a LOT of skill. Things like that really draw me in, cuz with everything I do, I want to be the best i possibly can at it. I'm not going to practice drifting in my 240 anytime soon because I think I still have a LONG way to go with grip driving, but if I feel that i've hit a wall and can't go any faster, i'm going to learn to drift. And on top of everything i've already said, It's fun to kick the back end out, it's a rush. There are a lot of reasons for wanting to get into drifting.

02-16-2002, 12:47 PM	#18
my240likenoother Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,261 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

02-16-2002, 01:18 PM	#19
burgy240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa Age: 49 Posts: 2,151 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It is a rush but to many people don't know drifting from sliding.  I can slide(as most of us can) w/ anyone, but not drift.  I just want that feeling of controlling something that is almost out of control.  I fool around with it in my winter ride 88'330z, but grip drive in my 240.  It's about driver ability for me I could care less if anyone ever sees me "drift" ......If I ever truelly learn how.

02-16-2002, 01:36 PM	#20
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 44 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To those who know what they're doing, it's a sport and nothing to show off on. It's just as the rest of you guys say it is: kids showing off... wishing they were cool.

02-16-2002, 03:25 PM	#21
s15dude Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 503 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Has anyone else noticed how the current trends in the "import scene" are going toward making "JDM replicas" and all things JDM. Also it seems like more and more people are ditching their big spoilers.

02-16-2002, 03:33 PM	#22
sspikey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 394 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ive drag raced. found it boring. get a good start and shift well and thats it. highway racing is car dependent and hella dangerous. but drifting is just a great feeling. its like a rollercoaster feeling but that you can control. all ive never drifted till now but have just kicked the back out. all the cars were automatic though. and all the turns were 90 degree corners. but just for those small things ive done. its a great feeling. i love it. its one of the only motorsports were its VERY dependent on the driver. but one thing that is getting annoying is how everyone says they drift without an lsd. drifting is taking MULTIPLE turns and nothing having grip at any time. powersliding is just sliding around a corner. in drifting you have to set up before.

02-16-2002, 03:49 PM	#23
JDM S13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 175 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so drifting is only done with an LSD?  It's still good to practice powersliding to begin with isn't it?

02-16-2002, 05:56 PM	#24
whateverjames Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Age: 45 Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think it would better to learn the limits of what your car can do first, and take track lessons or participate in autocrossing first.

02-17-2002, 12:39 AM	#25
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	ok I will jump in here. Yes I have drifted yes it was high speed yes its on th edge and vary dangerous ,if you do not know what your doing and yes you can kill your can in an instant doing it. On the other its addictiing as #### . Its the kinda thing that gives you such an adranaline rush you just have to go do it again and again. Call me a nut this started a long time ago for me with 510's and 240z's before the term was even coined. Ace is right , it originated in the U.S. super modified racers have been doing it for over 40 years as well as all dirt oval racers . The only real difference is the fact that Japanese drivers started doing it on paved real roads and not dirt tracks. Now they do it on race tracks in Japan because it has become like a regular type of racing event over there. its actually something I am getting back into because its just plain fun to me. Its prefferably done on a race track so your in a safe situation if you do lose it you just wind up off the track in the scrubs. I also dig grip and going really fast . #### I just like driving my car in all possible ways again this goes back a long way with me. Oh yeah track racing in the U.S. is so #### expensive that drifting just seems a little more appealing price wise . yes I guess I am crazy :biggrin: I also think this one of the few times I have actually talked about drifting.

02-17-2002, 09:58 AM	#26
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Seriously, drifting isn't bad.... I'm just getting annoyed with all the hype about it. FOR THE RECORD (dammit): Technically, you can't carry a drift with an open diff.  If you watch REAL drifting, you'd notice that the rear end isn't only sliding, it's pushing the car (ideally as accelerating the car as close to the center point of the turn as possible) through the turn.  With an open diff, one tire WILL not have power, and just drag itself.  If you DO think you're drifting with an open diff, it's most likely your diff is broken and you've got a solid rear end, or you're just dragging the rear through the turn, and attempting to control the rotation of the car with the throttle. There I said it.  Have a nice day. Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job.

02-17-2002, 10:24 AM	#27
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its impossible to go through a corner faster drifting than it is grip driving.  the physics of friction dont allow it.  you can go into the turn faster but you come out slower.  grip driving you have to slow down more but once you pass the apex you can accelerate out of it and have the car push you out.  when tires slide they produce a #### of a lot of friction slowing your car down dramaticaly.  it probably just feels faster which ive noticed whenever i drift.  you feel like your going faster cause your nerves are on edge and your hypersensitive. if drifting was faster then dont you think most pro racers would do it.  their main goal is not to break any tires loose.  ive never in a race seen someone slide on purpose.

02-17-2002, 12:38 PM	#28
crazycuban Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Drifting, and the whole JDM thing, is just people trying to be different...seems like people either want to fit in, or be different, and although JDM is the trend now, so it would really be fitting in, people think of it as something different...I guess cuz it's Japanese.  Heh, I guess it's trendy now to be different....kinda ironic...to fit in, you can't fit in.  Actually though, none of us are outside of that either though...we say "wtf is up with drifters", but on the other hand most of us have said we like the 240SX because it's different.  Whats up with that?  I guess its just another way of expressing individuality.

02-17-2002, 12:46 PM	#29
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 42 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	when i 1st got my 240 i took a turn a lil too fast and my rear swung out .. i almost wet my pants. the next day i went to a parking lot and started losing control on purpose (drift etc.. ) so when it happens agian .. ( it will happen it agian , rain) i will be able to control my car and not smash it into a wall or somethig.

02-17-2002, 01:20 PM	#30
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	ACE writes...... Oh yeah, drift freaq: it wasn't ALWAYS dirt tracks.... early stock car racing was on pavement and the cars were set up so horribly that drifting just became a part of the job. ______________________________________________ so true and a good point I forgot to mention. thank you Ace for stepping in and bringing it up.