Oil Analysis Results-Gaging Interest

[garagelu]

I am thinking about providing a service to zilvia to get your oil analyzed to see trending in different wear metals that contaminate your oil.

This is the machine I will be using. This is a 60,000 dollar oil analysis machine.

Used Oil Analysis Spectrometer for the Military, Spectroil M/N-W - Spectro

In this post I am posting up my oil analysis results. Its s13 stock bottom end with a s14 head. I am running a full race twin scroll 3076r setup. There is about 2,000 miles on this oil. The type of oil is Mobil 1 5W-40. And if you didn't know how this is measured, it's in PPM (parts per million).

NOTE: I will be posting an analysis on brand new unused Mobil 1 5W-40 on Friday hopefully.



I am planning on using a few different types of oil and what I plan on doing is to present results at 1K, 2K, and 3K mileage intervals of that particular oil.

What would help is to get the zilvia community engaged and see which oil works the best or really...protects the engine the most.

Most places that offer oil analysis services charge about 25 dollars. I am looking to charge significantly less.

Check out this website for other oil analysis that have been performed.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Board=3&page=1

[garagelu]

Aluminum-Indicates wear of pistons, rod bearings and certain types of bushings

Chromium-Primary sources are chromed parts such as rings, liners, etc., and some coolant additives.

Copper-Wear from bearings, rocker arm bushings, wrist pin bushings, thrust washers, other bronze and brass parts. In some transmission, wear from discs and clutch plates. Oil additive or anti-seize compound

Iron-Indicates the wear originating from rings, shafts, gears, valve train, cylinder walls, and pistons in some engines

Lead-In diesel engines, overlay of most man/rod bearings. In gasoline engines, mostly from tetraethyl lead contamination

Nickel -Secondary indicator of wear from certain types of bearings, shafts, valves and valve guides.

Tin-Indicates wear from bearings when babbit overlays are used. Also an indicator of piston wear in some engines.

Silver-Wear of bearings which contain silver. In some instances, a secondary indicator of oil cooler problems, especially when coolant in sample is detected.

Titanium-Alloy in high quality steel for gears and bearings.

Silicon-A measure of airborne dust and dirt contamination, usually indicating improper air cleaner service

Boron-Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils.

Sodium-Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils.

Potassium-Coolant additive.

Molybdenum-Indicates ring wear. Used as an additive in some oils.

Phosphorous-Antirust agents, spark-plug and combustion chamber deposits.

Zinc-Antioxidants, corrosion inhibitors, anti-wear additives, detergents, extreme pressure additives.

Calcium-Detergents, dispersants, acid neutralizers.

Barium-Corrosion inhibitors, detergents, rust inhibitors.

Magnesium-Dispersant, detergent additive, alloying metal.

Antimony-Bearing overlay alloy or oil additive.

Vanadium-Heavy fuel contaminant.

[jacobs13]

Wow thats pretty cool, Im interested in seeing what other oils do at different mileages and setups. Great write up

[Def]

I'd be very interested in something like this. I'd love to do semi-frequent oil analysis, but at $25 a pop I'd just rather do an oil change.

[garagelu]

Originally Posted by Def

I'd be very interested in something like this. I'd love to do semi-frequent oil analysis, but at $25 a pop I'd just rather do an oil change.

Yea 25 bucks can add up for sure. I am looking to charge around 10-13 dollars per analysis.

The customer would acquire their own sample bottle. Or, I know blackstone labs offers free test kits. Its kinda wrong to get their test kits and not send the sample to them but hey, it's free! But really you could find any clean container to send it in. All I really need is about 2-2.5 cc.

The customer would pay for postage to send it to me. I can't see it costing more than 1-2 dollars to ship.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php

[waxball88]

We need some PCV system set-ups compared. PCV vented to atmosphere, PCV re-routed properly for boosted application. How much of a difference?

[chiboy002]

i'd love to do this as well
package deals?

Although, i must say, ignorance is bliss in this situation lol

[garagelu]

Here is the oil analysis on brand new unused mobil 1 5w-40 synthetic.


oil 2 by garagelu, on Flickr

[Andrew@9K]

Originally Posted by waxball88

We need some PCV system set-ups compared. PCV vented to atmosphere, PCV re-routed properly for boosted application. How much of a difference?

YES! WE DO. Also I always wondered about the blow-by theory on why a lot of SR's have Black Sludge like oil

[Bigsyke]

Wheres the TBN/TAN cST, fuel and flash numbers?

BTW the iron and silicon on the 1st report look horrible.

[garagelu]

Originally Posted by Andrew@9K

YES! WE DO. Also I always wondered about the blow-by theory on why a lot of SR's have Black Sludge like oil

I'm going to need samples from an individual that's willing to do a before and after. Imo I don't think the results will be consistent using oil from two different engines.

Originally Posted by Bigsyke

Wheres the TBN/TAN cST, fuel and flash numbers?

BTW the iron and silicon on the 1st report look horrible.

I do not have the capability to test TBN/TAN, flash and all that. I only have a spectrometer.

And as far as the iron and silicone number, I burned brand new mobil 1 and got a average silicone reading of 20.63 and my used oil was 24.22 so not sure how that is horrible to you. Also I looked at a bunch of reports that people post on bobistheoilguy.com forums and my average of 16.949 was around what everyone else was getting. Normal wear from piston, sleeves, cams, gears will result is a number around that.

What are you basing this on to say those numbers are horrible?