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PS13 DRFT · 02-12-2011, 07:49 PM

I just recently got one of the Wiring Specialties wiring harnesses and before that I had not ever started my RB. I connected everything, and when I turn the key the fuel pump primes, but when I turn the key to "start" nothing happens. I hear the relay click, and that's it.

Then I found out the spade connector wasn't giving any signal, so I tried to bypass it and wire power straight to the spade on the starter... while the engine turned over, it would still not start.

Any ideas? I'm stumped at this point.

smoked240 · 02-12-2011, 08:09 PM

Are you sure the fuel lines are on right? I had mine backwards at first. If it will turn over but not start make sure to check for fuel and spark.

Sileighty_85 · 02-12-2011, 08:37 PM

while jumping the starter you need someone to Turn the key as if you were to start it normally

If its an S14 chassis check the Fuses under the hood

PS13 DRFT · 02-13-2011, 08:50 AM

I was the one turning the key while I had my friend using another car battery to jump the starter.

it's an s13 chassis with a S2 rb25det

eklips3 · 02-13-2011, 11:39 PM

can you hear a click coming from the starter . your starter might be pooched

PS13 DRFT · 02-14-2011, 07:23 AM

Starter is good, I actually swapped it with another when that was my first guess.

wowitsaboy · 02-14-2011, 08:14 AM

so now it turns over but does not start?
compression check, check plugs, check injectors?
exhaust system free of obstruction <(this one has happened to me, hollowed out my CAT, started right up).

PS13 DRFT · 02-20-2011, 04:53 PM

Update on info... I got the engine to turn over with the key now. Also, I checked my plugs and such and there was water near the coilpacks. I decided to swap out the plugs and clean up the coilpacks. A friend of mine suggested to spray some starter fluid in the cylinders while the plugs were out... So I did.

The car still turned over very slowly, but it started, revved to maybe 2500rpm or so, then died back out, and wouldn't start again. So now I'm beginning to think it IS a fuel issue. I'm going to look into that next. Any other suggestions?

PS13 DRFT · 02-28-2011, 06:48 PM

YouTube - RB25DET first start

Some issues resolved...

See how slow it cranks? Has anyone ever had to shim a starter on a Nissan or RB? I'm thinking it could be that...

Sileighty_85 · 02-28-2011, 06:54 PM

Add more grounds

PS13 DRFT · 02-28-2011, 07:22 PM

My block has 2 grounds now, do you really think it needs more?

The starter gets hot when I try to turn it over. Same with my battery though... hmm...

Sileighty_85 · 02-28-2011, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS13 DRFT

My block has 2 grounds now, do you really think it needs more?

The starter gets hot when I try to turn it over. Same with my battery though... hmm...

Sounds like it.

Make sure whatever ur grounded to is not painted over. If need add a ground to the starter.

PS13 DRFT · 02-28-2011, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

Sounds like it.

Make sure whatever ur grounded to is not painted over. If need add a ground to the starter.

Sounds like a plan, if you think of anything else, please do let me know! (=

Thanks!

PS13 DRFT · 03-05-2011, 06:38 PM

All grounds checked, starter ground added and the same issue exists.

I guess I'm just gonna wait on another starter and a redtop and see if that helps any..

Sileighty_85 · 03-05-2011, 09:19 PM

is the battery to the chassis an adequate ground?

ESone3 · 03-06-2011, 08:36 AM

Again I say, theres a short. Check wiring. Make you don't have any exposed wiring. Starter is wired directly to the battery so make sure there are no shorts on there. Get a volt meter and check voltage at the starter. If its not 12+ volts, you are not getting enough power.

PS13 DRFT · 03-06-2011, 03:07 PM

Tommy! I DID. I'm getting enough voltage to the starter. I even re-did my power with 0gauge instead of 4gauge. I used sand paper and took the paint off of everything that was grounded. New battery ground is 0gauge also.

>=[

Sileighty_85 · 03-06-2011, 05:51 PM

The starter grounds it self though the casing, maybe there is corrosion in between the block and the stater housing?

PS13 DRFT · 03-06-2011, 06:09 PM

Hmm a possibly scenario... I suppose I'll see next weekend when I put my new starter on.

slickback420 · 03-06-2011, 06:38 PM

From your video it seems like you have a weak battery. RB's take alot of juice to start up.

Change the battery to one with high cranking power. And if that still doesn't fix it, Try using a jumper wire straight from the starter solenoid and jump it to the battery to see if it cranks better.
And if it still is weak then change the starter.

And whats up with your idle? you must have a bunch of vacume leaks or something??

PS13 DRFT · 03-06-2011, 07:35 PM

I have a battery with 950 cold cranking amps right now... can't get much more boss than that. The idle was like that due to not having a coupler on, and possibly having a bad TPS.

Starter is already on the way... fingers crossed.

Thanks though!

rbpwr · 03-07-2011, 05:32 PM

u mentioned the battery gets hot? i had a optima yellow top that did the same thing in my car and wouldnt start, same as u dumb ? but have u tried another battery, mine dropprd a cell and got so hot i thought it was gonna burst. also batteries should never get to were u say there hot without it being the culprit

PS13 DRFT · 03-07-2011, 06:22 PM

That's what I thought, I had one batter, dropped it for another, and tried a brand new red top today too... all having the same issue.

02-12-2011, 07:49 PM	#1
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	RB won't turn over I just recently got one of the Wiring Specialties wiring harnesses and before that I had not ever started my RB. I connected everything, and when I turn the key the fuel pump primes, but when I turn the key to "start" nothing happens. I hear the relay click, and that's it. Then I found out the spade connector wasn't giving any signal, so I tried to bypass it and wire power straight to the spade on the starter... while the engine turned over, it would still not start. Any ideas? I'm stumped at this point.

02-12-2011, 08:09 PM	#2
smoked240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Dakota Age: 34 Posts: 1,067 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Are you sure the fuel lines are on right? I had mine backwards at first. If it will turn over but not start make sure to check for fuel and spark. __________________

02-12-2011, 08:37 PM	#3
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	while jumping the starter you need someone to Turn the key as if you were to start it normally If its an S14 chassis check the Fuses under the hood __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

02-13-2011, 11:39 PM	#5
eklips3 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Calgary Canada Age: 35 Posts: 626 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	can you hear a click coming from the starter . your starter might be pooched __________________ 1992 240sx (RB20. 362whp@16psi)

02-14-2011, 08:14 AM	#7
wowitsaboy Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: oxnard CA 93033 Age: 36 Posts: 257 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so now it turns over but does not start? compression check, check plugs, check injectors? exhaust system free of obstruction <(this one has happened to me, hollowed out my CAT, started right up). __________________ here the formula: +10 (-5) .. EX: 205/55 becomes 215/50

02-13-2011, 08:50 AM	#4
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I was the one turning the key while I had my friend using another car battery to jump the starter. it's an s13 chassis with a S2 rb25det

02-14-2011, 07:23 AM	#6
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Starter is good, I actually swapped it with another when that was my first guess.

02-20-2011, 04:53 PM	#8
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Update on info... I got the engine to turn over with the key now. Also, I checked my plugs and such and there was water near the coilpacks. I decided to swap out the plugs and clean up the coilpacks. A friend of mine suggested to spray some starter fluid in the cylinders while the plugs were out... So I did. The car still turned over very slowly, but it started, revved to maybe 2500rpm or so, then died back out, and wouldn't start again. So now I'm beginning to think it IS a fuel issue. I'm going to look into that next. Any other suggestions?

02-28-2011, 06:48 PM	#9
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	YouTube - RB25DET first start Some issues resolved... See how slow it cranks? Has anyone ever had to shim a starter on a Nissan or RB? I'm thinking it could be that...

02-28-2011, 06:54 PM	#10
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Add more grounds __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

02-28-2011, 07:22 PM	#11
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	My block has 2 grounds now, do you really think it needs more? The starter gets hot when I try to turn it over. Same with my battery though... hmm...

03-05-2011, 06:38 PM	#14
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	All grounds checked, starter ground added and the same issue exists. I guess I'm just gonna wait on another starter and a redtop and see if that helps any..

03-05-2011, 09:19 PM	#15
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	is the battery to the chassis an adequate ground? __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

03-06-2011, 08:36 AM	#16
ESone3 Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,376 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Again I say, theres a short. Check wiring. Make you don't have any exposed wiring. Starter is wired directly to the battery so make sure there are no shorts on there. Get a volt meter and check voltage at the starter. If its not 12+ volts, you are not getting enough power. __________________ www.illgarage.com

03-06-2011, 03:07 PM	#17
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Tommy! I DID. I'm getting enough voltage to the starter. I even re-did my power with 0gauge instead of 4gauge. I used sand paper and took the paint off of everything that was grounded. New battery ground is 0gauge also. >=[

03-06-2011, 05:51 PM	#18
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	The starter grounds it self though the casing, maybe there is corrosion in between the block and the stater housing? __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

03-06-2011, 06:09 PM	#19
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Hmm a possibly scenario... I suppose I'll see next weekend when I put my new starter on.

03-06-2011, 06:38 PM	#20
slickback420 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: so cal Age: 44 Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	From your video it seems like you have a weak battery. RB's take alot of juice to start up. Change the battery to one with high cranking power. And if that still doesn't fix it, Try using a jumper wire straight from the starter solenoid and jump it to the battery to see if it cranks better. And if it still is weak then change the starter. And whats up with your idle? you must have a bunch of vacume leaks or something??

03-06-2011, 07:35 PM	#21
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I have a battery with 950 cold cranking amps right now... can't get much more boss than that. The idle was like that due to not having a coupler on, and possibly having a bad TPS. Starter is already on the way... fingers crossed. Thanks though!

03-07-2011, 05:32 PM	#22
rbpwr Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: buffalo new york Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	u mentioned the battery gets hot? i had a optima yellow top that did the same thing in my car and wouldnt start, same as u dumb ? but have u tried another battery, mine dropprd a cell and got so hot i thought it was gonna burst. also batteries should never get to were u say there hot without it being the culprit

03-07-2011, 06:22 PM	#23
PS13 DRFT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SGV California Age: 38 Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	That's what I thought, I had one batter, dropped it for another, and tried a brand new red top today too... all having the same issue.