S16

[drifterX87]

Reading some of the topics below I noticed people mentioning the S16 and R35.  Does anybod have any good pics of concepts of these cars?  Werent the going to start making the 240 again in the states?  If you have any please post them, Thanks,

Mike

[Zemus]

Well if im not mistaken, the R35 is going to be the G35 Ininity or something, they have a concept of the R35 it look like this

but i dont think their going to do it, im not sure.

But i havent heard of the s16, i heard they stoped making silvias, rumors, or not, im not sure. Here is a pick of the Ininity G35


Rumor has it, that it is the american Skyline, without AWD and TT, how sad, and it doesnt even have the tail lights, <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> cry for the skyline, CRY FOR THE SKYLINE

[drifterX87]

STOPPED MAKING SILVIAS!!!! &nbsp; &nbsp;damn THOSE NISSAN BASTARDS!!! &nbsp; *Goes into deep depression and constant crying* &nbsp;NOOOOOO!!!!
We at Zilvia.net need to go to Nissan and take over design and production, Whos with me!!

Mike

[Zemus]

I think so, i heard about it a bit again, ask around

[sykikchimp]

From what I know they are seperating the two cars.. &nbsp;The Skyline, and GTR. &nbsp;The picture above is the GTR concept. &nbsp;The pic below is the G35 coupe. &nbsp;the G35 coupe Is the Skyline. &nbsp;The GTR is a Different car.

I've read that the S16 is suppose to come to america in articles, but there was some buzz a while back about it being slated for DEATH. &nbsp;It'll be a toss up, and we really won't know until nissan wants up to know. &nbsp;Either way, they gotta give us more than 1 2 door car. &nbsp;They have a niche to fill. &nbsp;2 door Sports coupe that is in the low 20's high teen's. &nbsp;What better to fit the bill than the S16.

[Zemus]

forget the S16, just give us the S15 with the SR and we will be happy, we dont need any fancey concept car, i bet u all that the s16 will look fucking retarded, just cuz its a concept car, and its going to look like the new skyline, which doesnt look kewl, the only concept cars that are kewl are the new Nissan Z and the RX8. the RX8 looks bad ass, kinda like a s2000 but with rotary and it has suicide doors, yay

[drifterX87]

Yes, thats exactly what they should do. &nbsp;All of these concept cars are going for show and no go. &nbsp;GRRRR what happened to the 50's?

Mike

[onebadm5]

s15 production ends in august, and there is no contract renewal for the silvia. no mas...

[AceInHole]

IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). &nbsp;Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). &nbsp;Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). &nbsp;As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 05 2002,09:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
agreed! the sr and the silvia may be a great motor/platform combo, but they are quite aged. i think nissan is doing good from a business standpoint. they are getting all their shit together and building cars people will buy tons of. hopefull after they get fully re-established, they can turn around and start churning out some well done serious performance cars.

[vancouvers14]

nissan would get slaughtered at home if they kept selling the SR (a 14 year old engine). &nbsp;Its time to move on.

all ive ever seen of the s16 are tiny photoshopped pics, so i dont think it even exists, even as a design. &nbsp;maybe theyll bring it back in the future, like ford did with the tbird. &nbsp;theres a very small market for sports cars right now, and i think nissan will be focusing all their $ right money on the Z.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am soo with you on that. Nissan can't keep makeing the same old mistakes. Holding on to a power plant or chassis for the sake of it's cult status alone is never a good idea.

If nissan still thinks there is a niche for a budget sports coupe, the s16 then it will most certanly be built on the XVL chassis. As for a powerplant who knows? the SR and RB are both dated. This begs the question why bother in the first place? This would make 4 cars built on the same chassis.

The new Z
The new Skyline / G35
The pending GTR
The rumored new Silvia?

This gets back to the heart of over segmenting it's market share. The whole point of migrating to a single chassis for these cars in the first place. THere is not point in robbing peter to pay Paul. In essence a new S car would do just that.

If they price it lower than the Z they won't make any money, or it will be a dog. Make it faster and more $$$ and they are competing with them selves. What is the point?

[drifterX87]

I think they should stop making Shitty imitations of the wondercars they have over there and just sell the same cars on each hemisphere. &nbsp;That is where the origional problem started I think. &nbsp;GRRR. &nbsp;Oh well,

Mike

[jskim9]

according to Option 2

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 05 2002,12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am soo with you on that. Nissan can't keep makeing the same old mistakes. Holding on to a power plant or chassis for the sake of it's cult status alone is never a good idea.

If nissan still thinks there is a niche for a budget sports coupe, the s16 then it will most certanly be built on the XVL chassis. As for a powerplant who knows? the SR and RB are both dated. This begs the question why bother in the first place? This would make 4 cars built on the same chassis.

The new Z
The new Skyline / G35
The pending GTR
The rumored new Silvia?

This gets back to the heart of over segmenting it's market share. The whole point of migrating to a single chassis for these cars in the first place. THere is not point in robbing peter to pay Paul. In essence a new S car would do just that.

If they price it lower than the Z they won't make any money, or it will be a dog. Make it faster and more $$$ and they are competing with them selves. What is the point?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
AMEN &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;I'll only add: Have you seen the low price of the base model 350z? &nbsp;IIRC, $27,000!!!

The window sticker from my car was $24K. &nbsp;Add 7 years and only $3,000? &nbsp;But wait, that's for a Z! &nbsp;Why bother with the "S" car? &nbsp;It either needs to swim DOWNstream (as in base model RSX/Civic) or disappear. &nbsp;(and the new SE-R seems to already occupy that niche - albeit with 4 doors). &nbsp;Either way, it doesn't involve a badass turbo or large displacement sports motor. &nbsp;I think the reality is that Nissan woke up and smelled the black ink <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[sykikchimp]

They just need to offer the Se-r in 2 door, which I'm sure they will. &nbsp;It'd be nice of them to offer a turbo package too.. &nbsp;but I doubt that will happen. &nbsp;cheaper to build N/A engines.

[AceInHole]

A bit of theory:

consider this: &nbsp;the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. &nbsp;Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z. &nbsp;
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... &nbsp;it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. &nbsp;Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,3:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A bit of theory:

consider this: the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z.
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That is a cool idea, but I think there are a few holes in your theory.

1. How much would Nissan sell this for? Seeing as how the Z will only be 27,000 ot start. That is a pretty tight budget. The V-spec is what $19,000? That is slicing the pie pretty thin if you ask me. It would be more profitable to talk some one up to a low end z than have a 22-24K 250sx gobbeling up buisness. Remember that is what got the 240 in hot watter before.

2. I think that Nissan might me more inclined to bring the GTR, than a new Silvia/250sx. People in the states still have a bad taste in their mouth's of what the 240 ended up as, a luxo-coupe that did neither well. The GTR has a rock solid reputation and if the new encarnation lives up to the prototype it will be a much better performer than the current r34. The Z and the G35 could be testing the waters. After all a REAL performance flag ship has done wonders for lots of companies in the past (read: Dodge). Even Subaru has boosted their sales dramatically with the introduction of the WRX. Imagine what kind of a fuss the GTR could drumb up!

WHile I think that the idea of a new S car here or abroad, would be cool. I don't see where or how it would fit in with Nissan's future plans. Aside form the name living on....I don't think there is any real gain to any current 240/sylvia owners. After all the chassis will be the XVL no matter what and the sr is going away for sure, so no new super easy swaps. But this just means that we all own a piece of Nissan history <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[drifterX87]

Oh how sad change can be. &nbsp;If only we could keep the past and reciece the new. &nbsp;So they are going to be building like four cars on a single chassis? &nbsp;That sounds like a good idea but if thats what they are going to do Im not too sure itll work. &nbsp;Its like making a corvette and monte carlo on the same steel. &nbsp;Aw well, nothing I can really do except pray like Im obsessive compulsive,

Mike

[LanceS13]

Here's an idea...although, it'd probably never happen b/c it would most likely require a new chassis design, which might make affordability impossible, and it'd no longer really be an S chassis car...but anyway. Why let Mazda and Toyota control the affordable roadster market? I wouldn't mind seeing the 240 evolving to fill this niche...smaller size, lighter weight, get rid of that useless backseat, etc...maybe even design it as a convertible. It would pretty much be a complete makeover, but it would allow Nissan to fill that niche...I dunno, just some random thoughts that may or may not be practical.

[sykikchimp]

There is a price range and niche untouched by nissan currently. SE-R is base priced at 15,999.00 (on website) and currently fits into the sport econo car niche. such as civic, and corolla.

The "250sx" would fit in the 19-25 range. which includes the market segment of about 18-28 year olds. This will not infringe on the Z sales. &nbsp;1. because of insurance on a 2-seat Sports car. &nbsp;2. B/c parents don't like to buy "Pure Sports Cars" for their College students.

The Z's BASE prise is 26.2.. Nissan doesn't intend to sell a lot of cars at this price. Otherwise they would not have offered SO many upgrade packages. price ranges from $26-35K dollars. They are targeting the 30-32K spending range of cars. That leaves a 10k dollar hole and a market segment untouched. A market segment that leads to future purchases. They CAN NOT leave that segment untouched. What do you think the RSX is? it is a car designed for younger buyers to get them loyal. same with the Celica.

Whether they bring over the S16 or some other New car line. They have to do something. There is a lot of money, and future repeat customers out there they are missing out on.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,5:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,3:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A bit of theory:

consider this: the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z.
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That is a cool idea, but I think there are a few holes in your theory.

1. How much would Nissan sell this for? Seeing as how the Z will only be 27,000 ot start. That is a pretty tight budget. The V-spec is what $19,000? That is slicing the pie pretty thin if you ask me. It would be more profitable to talk some one up to a low end z than have a 22-24K 250sx gobbeling up buisness. Remember that is what got the 240 in hot watter before.

2. I think that Nissan might me more inclined to bring the GTR, than a new Silvia/250sx. People in the states still have a bad taste in their mouth's of what the 240 ended up as, a luxo-coupe that did neither well. The GTR has a rock solid reputation and if the new encarnation lives up to the prototype it will be a much better performer than the current r34. The Z and the G35 could be testing the waters. After all a REAL performance flag ship has done wonders for lots of companies in the past (read: Dodge). Even Subaru has boosted their sales dramatically with the introduction of the WRX. Imagine what kind of a fuss the GTR could drumb up!

WHile I think that the idea of a new S car here or abroad, would be cool. I don't see where or how it would fit in with Nissan's future plans. Aside form the name living on....I don't think there is any real gain to any current 240/sylvia owners. After all the chassis will be the XVL no matter what and the sr is going away for sure, so no new super easy swaps. But this just means that we all own a piece of Nissan history <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
1. &nbsp;Well... you've gotta remember the Spec V is a sedan... a coupe priced the same as the Spec V would satisfy the needs of those who don't want a 4-door, but can't quite afford the extra $8000-$10,000 to get the z, which will most likely have dealer markups anyways (which pushes that price difference even more). &nbsp;I'd say a 4-cyl performance coupe fits into the Nissan lineup without stepping on anyone's toes.

2. &nbsp;The GTR will most likely be out of the range of the common car enthusiast anyways... but of course they'll make it. &nbsp;Even though, the Z is their flagship, as a perfect symbol of the Nissan attitude of more performance than everyone else at less cost. &nbsp;
I'd also go so far as to say a car labeled a "Silvia" or even a 250z would not bring up memories of the poor 240sx.... the 240sx is seeing somewhat of a resurgance anyways.

3. &nbsp;About swaps.... if it's the XVL chassis, why in God's name would you go to a crappy SR motor when a VQ would assumably drop right in??? &nbsp;You'd also have Brembo brakes available to bolt on, assumably shared suspension components with other XVL cars.... possibilities would be endless.

[drifterX87]

Pray to God that they do not turn the 240 into a civic. I would rather see the car rest in piece than to have it come back as another RICE BOY TOY car that every grandma and 20 year old will drive. &nbsp;You do have a point sykikmonkey, You live in Charlotte? &nbsp;which part. &nbsp;I'm in the matthews weddington area.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They CAN NOT leave that segment untouched. What do you think the RSX is? it is a car designed for younger buyers to get them loyal. same with the Celica.

Whether they bring over the S16 or some other New car line. They have to do something. There is a lot of money, and future repeat customers out there they are missing out on.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This is the biggest part... right now, Nissan has NOTHING in the RSX area.... the Spec V is underpowered and outhandled right off the bat... it'll compete with the CTR, but not much more.

The sport compact car area is all about the aftermarket, and manufacturers are realising this (Nismo is coming to the US... apparently Nissan is one of those manufacturers). &nbsp;If you have a car that's based on a more pure performance car, you're going to come across a ton of extra available aftermarket parts that were designed for one car, fitting the other (Brembo brake option on the 350z swapping to a "250"?? &nbsp;Just like 300zx calipers on a 240sx...). &nbsp;

The chassis is there, the engine is there, and the market is there...

[shiq]

OH MY GOD, Look what I found in my new C&D



...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Okay, okay, it was a graphic design project that i rushed the day before the deadline, but yeah..it's corny, don't make fun... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

anyways, i agree, nissan has a gap in their car line between the spec v and the 350z, what better to fill it in than a 250sx(assuming they would use the QR25(T)?

PS. I realize I acc. put 240sx instead of 250sx in the ad...
oh and a pic i drew of the back


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> meh, cars are annoying/hard to draw.

[uuninja]

Lance that is a very interesting idea, one I don't think I have heard. Making the S car in to a true sport/road car ala the s2000. Not sure what chassis they would use either. That would be the most serious hurdle. But that would be an awesome car.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,5:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lance that is a very interesting idea, one I don't think I have heard. Making the S car in to a true sport/road car ala the s2000. Not sure what chassis they would use either. That would be the most serious hurdle. But that would be an awesome car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The convertible 350z is rumored to be in the air.....

Otherwise a "Silvia Varietta" type of car.... which would require a "Silvia" type of car.... &nbsp;yeah... can't get it out of my head. &nbsp;

Ah hell, guess i'll just have to "settle" for a G35 coupe for now.

[drifterX87]

I think that nissan really needs to build the 240/silvia style car. &nbsp;One that is not expensive but has the possibility to be really good, and comes out of the box in really good performance style for stock. &nbsp;It doesnt necesarily need to be a Silvia, but without that kind of car, they are missing a category. &nbsp;They should just stop giving us shit and what they give them over there. &nbsp;It would also be cheap wouldnt it? &nbsp;greater compatibility, less expensive in the area of designing etc, etc. &nbsp;They need to come up with a top of the line sports car in the states equivelant to the upcoming supra, RX8, Viper, Corvette, etc. &nbsp;man I need to become the president and show them whats right.

Mike

[uuninja]

Only thing is that the s chassis is going away. That is a fact. The XVL seems too big for such an application. Maybe they could shrink it further but I don't know.

[drifterX87]

It wouldnt necessarily need to be the S chassis. &nbsp;They could name it that but just a car that fits that category. &nbsp;All of these new supercars are coming out for Mazda and Toyota. &nbsp;They just need to put one of their own in. &nbsp;It has to be done sooner or later. &nbsp;They should pick me as manager of designs and building so I can take the ideas from here and stick em in. hehehe. That would kick some pretty busty balls.

Mike