is it just me??? Overpriced 240's

[ryandh]

Ok, before you bash this thread and call me a 'noob', grow up. With that said, if you disagree, post your opinion. I'm on skylineowners, and 6mt and I'm not a broke punk ass teenager so lets just get that straight.

Now, with that being said, here is the reason I started this thread. I have noticed that in the cars for sale section, there seem to be a lot of over priced s13's and s14's. Seriously... Almost bone stock high mileage, or salvage title, no rims included type sales, $3k and $4k s13/s14's going
for 7-10k... Seems a little ridiculous. And the funny thing is, all the threads seem to include a disclaimer somewhat along these lines, " If you don't like the price then fuck you and leave". Seems a little weird that people actually pay 2-4 times the value of these cars, even when they're SOMEWHAT modified. I guess 200k+ miles on bone stock KA's and cheap ass SR's are worth 8-10K. I really hate to say this, but people need to get a grip on prices.

I came to this forum in search of a clean ass S14 with 10K in hand, and to my surpise, I can't find one...Weird, I have seen plenty of 03-'04 G35 coupes for 10k, with equal amount of miles, but 5-6 years newer. Kind of strange, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

For the ones out there who have nice examples, you are the exception. What I mean by that is great paint, builds and swaps done the right way, completely working and functional interiors, decent miles etc etc...
But for the other high mileage clunkers out there, get over yourselves and realize your $3500 car is not worth 6-9k.

Bash away if you wish to be immature about it, or leave an actual opinion, or maybe some clarification. Keep in mind, I'm not new to the whole 'jdm' scene, so if you feel the need to explain anything, do try the, 'Oh, it's cause they are rare'...they're not. Hakosuka's and kenmeri's are rare... USDM s13's and s14's and the parts for them that are cheap and easily accessable are not rare.

[DriftN00b]

drift tax. Close thread.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by DriftN00b

drift tax. Close thread.

....brilliant

[gunmetalr32]

ae86 gt-s are kbb at $500 max and the market value is like $5k

mk4 supras twin turbo are kbb at $20k-25k but a clean one will run like $30k-35k

kbb and market value are 2 different things.. and people will pay more for a non molested car

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by gunmetalr32

ae86 gt-s are kbb at $500 max and the market value is like $5k

mk4 supras twin turbo are kbb at $20k-25k but a clean one will run like $30k-35k

kbb and market value are 2 different things.. and people will pay more for a non molested car

I understand market value, this is not my first go around.

[ryandh]

example:

"I have a '95 BONE stock 240 for sale. Has 235k miles. I'm asking 6500, if you don't like it, piss off."

This made up listing right there is not too far off from some of the listings I have seen within the last month. Maybe I'm the only sane one here who can see that a cheap ass easily accessable car is not worth 3 times its actual value.

[gunmetalr32]

Originally Posted by ryandh

I understand market value, this is not my first go around.

then i really don't understand your question..

because that is exactly what it is.. a you can still find a busted ass s13 for kbb pricing and like any car you might have to pay more for a clean one.. i remember back in the day (2004) i bought a 1991 s13 coupe for $200 (not in the best condition -exterior) and it ran perfect after a basic tune up... now the same car will fetch $1800.. DRIFT TAX.

[cc4usmc]

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

[collegekid]

its all the hype about drifting and shit that led to this. And also the fact that there are idiots out there that pay these ridiculous prices so the cycle continues. Just keep searching on here and craigslist and you will eventually run into someone selling at a reasonable price. Theres nothing anyone really can do, its a collective problem and there will always be kids that have parents who buy them everything, so what are you gonna do?

[tqstarburst]

Seems to me like your trying to buy a fully built, sr powered 240 for 10k.

Real cars are not bought, they're built.

[harrypotter]

I don't see this as a problem, if you don't like the price just don't buy. Pretty simple!

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by tqstarburst

Seems to me like your trying to buy a fully built, sr powered 240 for 10k.

Real cars are not bought, they're built.

You must think I'm new to life...

No sir, I'm not looking to buy a super built SR... I am trying to find a decent, somewhat STOCK SR, s14, not a rust bucket with a million miles...

[PerilousActs]

I paid $900 for my unmolested, rust-free, S13 and $500 for a rust free kouki S14.

If you're not looking to pay the drift tax, don't look in places where it will be at it's highest (aka here). Check newspapers, autotrader (if it's even in print still, haven't looked in the past year), and craigslist. Networking with people in the car scene always lands good deals too. Auctions are amazing too.

http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch....SEARCH_RESULTS

[gunmetalr32]

Originally Posted by ryandh

example:

"I have a '95 BONE stock 240 for sale. Has 235k miles. I'm asking 6500, if you don't like it, piss off."

This made up listing right there is not too far off from some of the listings I have seen within the last month. Maybe I'm the only sane one here who can see that a cheap ass easily accessable car is not worth 3 times its actual value.

you can ask all you want.. but what it sells for is 2 different things too.. if he's asking too much no one will buy it. then he has 2 options

1. keep it
or
2.lower his price till it sells

economics 101

a bone stock kouki will sell for $6500 because it's harder to find..

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

me too

Originally Posted by collegekid

its all the hype about drifting and shit that led to this. And also the fact that there are idiots out there that pay these ridiculous prices so the cycle continues. Just keep searching on here and craigslist and you will eventually run into someone selling at a reasonable price. Theres nothing anyone really can do, its a collective problem and there will always be kids that have parents who buy them everything, so what are you gonna do?

drift tax

[ryandh]

like I said, just trying to get some opinions here.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by ryandh

I came to this forum in search of a clean ass S14 with 10K in hand, and to my surpise, I can't find one...Weird, I have seen plenty of 03-'04 G35 coupes for 10k, with equal amount of miles, but 5-6 years newer. Kind of strange, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Then why not get the newer, nicer, quieter, more reliable(well, ya know), more powerful (stock), better handling car instead of looking at 15 year old underpowered POS S14?

The easy way is to look at it like this:
Unmolested, 5speed, SE Kouki's have historically sold between 5500-8000 dollars depending on mileage and true cleanlyness. Sure you could find one for 3000-4000 dollars, but you're undoubtedly going to spend another 1000-2000 dollars just to get it back into shape (persay, swapping to 5 lug, swapping to 5 speed, repairing any body damage, etc etc....now putting you back into the low end of the 'realm' for a clean in the first place.

Trust me, quite a few years ago I too debated buying a 4 lug, Automatic Zenki with low miles for 3500 bucks. Then I figured it's gonna cost me an easy 500-700 to do a NISSAN 5 lug, another couple hundred for the 5 speed swap and associated parts, then easily a grand for the Kouki conversion with quality OEM parts, Money on brakes for the 5 lug, etc etc. In the end I figured I'd need to put an easy 2000 dollars into it to just to get it 'kinda near' what I was finding for 6000-6500 dollars. My time was more valuable than saving a couple bucks, and I wasn't gonna deal with sourcing crap from deadbeat sellers to make my car look 'sorta close' to the already 'done/clean' OEM examples.

[Project S13]

Yea bro what these folks are saying makes sence. Every year that passes it gets a bit tuffer to find a clean UN molested 240sx, somebody that has one will tax.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

with my attitude... who says I have an attitude? So starting a thread to get some opinions means I have an attitude?

this place seems a lot more hostile than most other forums.

[kalypso123]

350z's are f'in affordable and nice.

but im 6'3" and the leg room has been questionable each time I've tried one.

[gunmetalr32]

Originally Posted by ryandh

with my attitude... who says I have an attitude? So starting a thread to get some opinions means I have an attitude?

this place seems a lot more hostile than most other forums.

welcome to zilvia..

[Dsic240sx]

Ricer tax. S-chassis are average cars AT BEST. Only reason why they were so popular in the first place was because they were so cheap to get, so it was good value for the money. But now everyone's overpaying just for some shitty ULTIMATE DORRIFFTOOO CAAARR cause they see other *SNIP*driving them. It's fucking disgusting.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by gunmetalr32

welcome to zilvia..

hahaha touche. Well, this pretty much answers my question I guess lol.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by Dsic240sx

Ricer tax. S-chassis are average cars AT BEST. Only reason why they were so popular in the first place was because they were so cheap to get, so it was good value for the money. But now everyone's overpaying just for some shitty ULTIMATE DORRIFFTOOO CAAARR cause they see other *SNIP* driving them. It's fucking disgusting.

I don't know about shitty. Some, yes, others no.

[Darren]

For what it's worth, i agree with you, I see shitty, 1/2 rotten s13s go for 2500 - 4000 all the time, most of them stock SOHC KA with Auto, and no frame rails.

It's just supply and demand, lots of people are getting them, so the sellers jack the price. The only way it'll return to normal is if buyers stop paying the prices...

[Umbys]

Idk i bought my clean ass kouki for like 8k 80k on motor and like 180+ on chassis.

[Mikey McFly]

[turbociv910]

thats just how it is when everyone wants one. Look at civics, i was looking for a DD coupe and those shit boxes with no ac, ps, high miles, dirty as hell, are asking 4k when you used to buy them for 1800-2200.

Deals are out there.. just probly not on forums.. try checking local, my buddy found a stock 93 hatch with just over 100k completly stock, great condition, excellent running southern car and he paid like 3 for it.

[ryandh]

supply and demand in its finest example I guess.

[bataangpinoy]

supply and demand is correct. i hate the s13 because finding a clean shell is like trying to find a hot white chick in compton. if you find one thats decent, its been trashed around by a million others.

i had a 6pt caged, coiled, hydro ebrake'd e30 with a rebuilt m20b25(272* cam, heavy duty rockers with headers and tune), sparco speed 2, several sets of wheels, a spare motor, quick release, sachs sport clutch, 2 way lsd, and 10 pairs of tires.

I let it go for 5k which is market value for a track only e30 these days. a car built like that in here would go for twice that price, and lacks the build quality the bimmer had. i cant wait for the chance to step back into an e30 for track use. but this over priced shit is cray. its like the hondas all over again, but rwd and more flimsy.

[ryandh]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Keep the opinions coming guys.