S-Chassis Conversion Terminology (S13, S14, S15) - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 05:13 PM

There's no real official way to name some of the front end conversions on our cars. With many different variances it almost makes it impossible to come up with a general consensus through logic. That being said, lets try to formulate a discussion to where we can narrow the terminology down or come to an agreement on what we call these creations.

One conversion that is official and set in stone is the Sileighty...

Sileighty = S13 180sx body with an S13 Silvia front end. Any other variance other than this CANNOT be labeled as a Sileighty, as others often do.

On the flip side of that we have the Onevia...

Onevia = S13 Silvia body with an S13 180sx front end. No, this does not mean that your 240sx coupe is a Onevia... Stop saying that, you're embarrassing yourself.

Now staying with the S13 Silvia body style, lets dive into an S14 front conversion...

S13.4 = S13 Silvia with S14 front.
-S13.4 Zenki
-S13.4 Kouki

As you see, there are two variations due to the front fascia change from Zenki to Kouki in 1996. If you say you have an S13.4, it could be either Zenki or Kouki
so specifying will eliminate that question.

RS13.4 = S13 180sx with S14 front.
-RS13.4 Zenki
-RS13.4 Kouki

Same deal as above, but an "R" in front of the S13 classifies the body style as Hatchback. This is what Nissan did to classify the difference in body types.

S13.5 = S13 Silvia with S15 Silvia front.
RS13.5 = S13 180sx with S15 Silvia front.

Since the S15 only had one type of front end the above conversion names are pretty straight forward.

Now this is where it gets a little hazy... If you have an S14 how do you determine the difference in the conversion if using an S13 front?

S14.3 = S14 Silvia with S13 Silvia front.

That is pretty straightforward, but we can't call the S14 with a 180sx front the same thing so I've come up with this...

S14.3r = S14 Silvia with S13 180sx front.

This makes the most sense since the "R" is used to signify chassis difference between S13 Silvia and S13 180sx from above.

S14.5 = S14 Silvia with S15 Silvia front.

Standard conversion everyone knows well.

And for the S15, terminology not many people will ever use...

S15.3 = S15 Silvia with S13 Silvia front.

S15.3r = S15 Silvia with S13 180sx front.

Same deal as the S14. S15 with pop-ups becomes the S15.3r.

S15.4 = S15 Silvia with S14 front.
-S15.4 Zenki
-S15.4 Kouki

Now this is strictly using the Japanese S-chassis vehicles. Not referring to USDM 240sx or European 200sx, but a lot of the terms still apply EXCEPT for the Sileighty and Onevia references at the very top.

In Japan the two body styles of the S13 are separated into two different names. In the US, we have the same car name but two different body styles.

JDM => USDM
S13 Silvia => S13 240sx coupe.
S13 180sx => S13 240sx hatch.

This is why it is stupid to call your S13 240sx coupe a "Onevia" or "Silvia", because it is not. Now, if you slap an S13 Silvia front onto your 240sx hatchback, logic states that it should be called a Silforty. If you put an S13 Silvia front on your S13 240sx coupe logic states that it should be called a TWOVIA!!!

Lets recap,

JDM

S13 180sx front on an S13 Silvia = Onevia.
S13 Silvia front on an S13 180sx = Sileighty.

USDM

S13 240sx coupe with an S13 Silvia front = Twovia.
S13 Silvia front on an S13 240sx hatch = Silforty.

Agree? Disagree? Tell me what you think and explain why.

PeaceOnesxWai · 08-29-2013, 05:31 PM

Sileightys.....

dluevanos01 · 08-29-2013, 05:40 PM

^^^^ Where's a like button when you need one!!

acslater9 · 08-29-2013, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeaceOnesxWai

Sileightys.....

I think Sileightys look good...Don't know why people don't like them.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 08-29-2013, 06:39 PM

^^^Its more played out than Floridian's asking dumb questions in Zilvia.

racepar1 · 08-29-2013, 06:41 PM

You guys are fuckin nuts, sileighty's look great. I've heard all your arguments and have concluded that you're nuts.

coupesallday! · 08-29-2013, 06:58 PM

If someone puts a Silvia front end on their coupe here in the U.S., they're still going to
Call it a Silvia. And so on. Just because you made this thread doesn't mean people are going to call their conversions twovia or silforty that's ridiculous

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 08:17 PM

Doesn't matter if 20,000 people call their 240sx's a Silvia, still doesn't make it correct. What it does do however, is promote false information and ignorance. If you don't want to make a name for something then you call it what it is... aka "I have a 240sx coupe with an S13 Silvia front end."

cbcm2435 · 08-29-2013, 08:20 PM

this thread is stupid

Chaluska · 08-29-2013, 08:34 PM

theres already an exact thread like this.. and its like 5000000 pages long

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 08:38 PM

This is not a picture thread and this is not a thread to voice your opinion on what conversion looks good and what doesn't... This is to discuss the terminology of front end conversions amongst the S-Chassis. Do you people even read?

future · 08-29-2013, 08:45 PM

You must really be one bored fella

rubhamusan · 08-29-2013, 08:52 PM

RS13.4 = S13 180sx with S14 front. -RS13.4 Zenki -RS13.4 Kouki

Wouldn't this be rps13?
A s13 coupe would be rs13.

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubhamusan

RS13.4 = S13 180sx with S14 front. -RS13.4 Zenki -RS13.4 Kouki

Wouldn't this be rps13?
A s13 coupe would be rs13.

No. The RPS13 is the '91-'98 180sx. The additional "P" added is for SR20DET. PS13 would be the S13 Silvia with SR20DET. No need to add that information when talking about front conversions.

+R = Hatchback model
+P = SR20DET
+K = HICAS

TMW · 08-29-2013, 09:29 PM

ok what if i get a jdm s13 silvia import it take off the front end and put a usdm 240sx coupe front on it then what is it

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW

ok what if i get a jdm s13 silvia import it take off the front end and put a usdm 240sx coupe front on it then what is it

USDM 240sx coupe front end is equivalent to the 180sx variant in Japan. So if you did that you would have a Onevia.

BossHogg · 08-29-2013, 09:39 PM

I simply say "I drive a 240sx".

TMW · 08-29-2013, 09:40 PM

ok what if i take off that usdm front end that i just put on and instead put a european 200sx kouki s14 front on my jdm s13 silvia then what is it, but then i get a usdm 240sx hatchback and put a s14 rear conversion on it while being in japan using a jdm s14 rear end

edit: actually i want to do a r32 rear conversion on a usdm 240sx hatchback, but i do the conversion while in japan even though the chassis is a usdm 240sx

EvBot DET · 08-29-2013, 09:42 PM

What about the Odyvia? You better make sure to police the internets for people incorrectly referring to that particular variation of doing whatever they hell they want to their cars.

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW

ok what if i take off that usdm front end that i just put on and instead put a european 200sx kouki s14 front on my jdm s13 silvia then what is it, but then i get a usdm 240sx hatchback and put a s14 rear conversion on it while being in japan using a jdm s14 rear end

You'd take pop-ups off your S13 Silvia and then replace it with S14 kouki? S13.4 Kouki.

240sx hatch with S14 rear conversion would make no sense, I am talking about front conversions here... If you wanted the S14 rear you start with an S14, you then do the pop-up front and call it an S14.3r, as per the original post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvBot DET

What about the Odyvia? You better make sure to police the internets for people incorrectly referring to that particular variation of doing whatever they hell they want to their cars.

This is a discussion amongst S-Chassis vehicles only.

PeaceOnesxWai · 08-29-2013, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW

ok what if i take off that usdm front end that i just put on and instead put a european 200sx kouki s14 front on my jdm s13 silvia then what is it, but then i get a usdm 240sx hatchback and put a s14 rear conversion on it while being in japan using a jdm s14 rear end

edit: actually i want to do a r32 rear conversion on a usdm 240sx hatchback, but i do the conversion while in japan even though the chassis is a usdm 240sx

WHOA

This thread is about OP's OCD having to correctly name things...
Like

PeaceOnesxWai · 08-29-2013, 10:43 PM

Also they are all just nicknames.. so trying to correct a urban name is not valid

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 10:52 PM

This thread is about getting on the same page. Also about gaining knowledge and why certain cars should not be called certain names because it simply does not make sense.

zooopreme · 08-29-2013, 11:28 PM

You care too much

Bambi · 08-29-2013, 11:34 PM

pix of an s15 with a s13 silvia front

bricks or gtfo

KiLLeR2001 · 08-29-2013, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

pix of an s15 with a s13 silvia front

bricks or gtfo

That might honestly be the only conversion that has yet been done... Would be interesting to see an Aero bumper with bricks on an S15... But I'm sure we all know it would still look sub-par.

Bambi · 08-29-2013, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

That might honestly be the only conversion that has yet been done... Would be interesting to see an Aero bumper with bricks on an S15... But I'm sure we all know it would still look sub-par.

That's what I'm thinking.

On the topic of s15 front end swaps, I think the s14 kouki doesn't look too bad.

KendallH · 08-30-2013, 07:40 AM

This thread...

Sileightys....

thefro526 · 08-30-2013, 07:54 AM

Is there really any point to having universally accepted terminology? No matter what, people will call their car what they call their car. I can't think of any reason to go through and make some sort of bible of conversion types and their correct names, it's not like it's going to make anything easier or better.

Look at most threads where people post pictures of some weird car. They'll usually call it a '240sx with a Silvia Front' or a 'Hatch with an S15 front' or whatever. Shoot, if you even need a description of what the car is after seeing a picture, you probably shouldn't even be on this site - lol.

Like seriously, who gives a crap about the difference between a Sil-Fourty and a Sil-Eighty? More often than not the cars either fall into one or two categories: Unpainted, uncompleted, half-assed front end conversion or Full-Blow Built to Hell racecar, at which point who cars what it started as.

I'll continue to use my preferred nomenclature, specifically, S13/S14/S15 and when someone asks what style or what front, I'll use Coupe/Hatch/Zenki/Chuki/Kouki/Etc. So much easier.

Anywho, back on topic:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

That's what I'm thinking.

On the topic of s15 front end swaps, I think the s14 kouki doesn't look too bad.

This thing is sort of cash:

Hard to say if it's significantly better than an S15 front, but it's damn cool.

Also, I think I've seen a picture of an S15 that was running an S13 Silvia Front with Bricks and stuff, but I can't find it. Instead, here's an abomination of an S14 (I think) that has an S15 rear conversion, and an S13 Silvia Front.

STL240SXDRIFT · 08-30-2013, 08:44 AM

What is it called when you put a bulldog front end on a shih tzu body?

08-29-2013, 05:13 PM	#1
KiLLeR2001 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: オーランドフロリダ Posts: 7,955 Trader Rating: (46) Feedback Score: 46 reviews	S-Chassis Conversion Terminology (S13, S14, S15) There's no real official way to name some of the front end conversions on our cars. With many different variances it almost makes it impossible to come up with a general consensus through logic. That being said, lets try to formulate a discussion to where we can narrow the terminology down or come to an agreement on what we call these creations. One conversion that is official and set in stone is the Sileighty... Sileighty = S13 180sx body with an S13 Silvia front end. Any other variance other than this CANNOT be labeled as a Sileighty, as others often do. On the flip side of that we have the Onevia... Onevia = S13 Silvia body with an S13 180sx front end. No, this does not mean that your 240sx coupe is a Onevia... Stop saying that, you're embarrassing yourself. Now staying with the S13 Silvia body style, lets dive into an S14 front conversion... S13.4 = S13 Silvia with S14 front. -S13.4 Zenki -S13.4 Kouki As you see, there are two variations due to the front fascia change from Zenki to Kouki in 1996. If you say you have an S13.4, it could be either Zenki or Kouki so specifying will eliminate that question. RS13.4 = S13 180sx with S14 front. -RS13.4 Zenki -RS13.4 Kouki Same deal as above, but an "R" in front of the S13 classifies the body style as Hatchback. This is what Nissan did to classify the difference in body types. S13.5 = S13 Silvia with S15 Silvia front. RS13.5 = S13 180sx with S15 Silvia front. Since the S15 only had one type of front end the above conversion names are pretty straight forward. Now this is where it gets a little hazy... If you have an S14 how do you determine the difference in the conversion if using an S13 front? S14.3 = S14 Silvia with S13 Silvia front. That is pretty straightforward, but we can't call the S14 with a 180sx front the same thing so I've come up with this... S14.3r = S14 Silvia with S13 180sx front. This makes the most sense since the "R" is used to signify chassis difference between S13 Silvia and S13 180sx from above. S14.5 = S14 Silvia with S15 Silvia front. Standard conversion everyone knows well. And for the S15, terminology not many people will ever use... S15.3 = S15 Silvia with S13 Silvia front. S15.3r = S15 Silvia with S13 180sx front. Same deal as the S14. S15 with pop-ups becomes the S15.3r. S15.4 = S15 Silvia with S14 front. -S15.4 Zenki -S15.4 Kouki Now this is strictly using the Japanese S-chassis vehicles. Not referring to USDM 240sx or European 200sx, but a lot of the terms still apply EXCEPT for the Sileighty and Onevia references at the very top. In Japan the two body styles of the S13 are separated into two different names. In the US, we have the same car name but two different body styles. JDM => USDM S13 Silvia => S13 240sx coupe. S13 180sx => S13 240sx hatch. This is why it is stupid to call your S13 240sx coupe a "Onevia" or "Silvia", because it is not. Now, if you slap an S13 Silvia front onto your 240sx hatchback, logic states that it should be called a Silforty. If you put an S13 Silvia front on your S13 240sx coupe logic states that it should be called a TWOVIA!!! Lets recap, JDM S13 180sx front on an S13 Silvia = Onevia. S13 Silvia front on an S13 180sx = Sileighty. USDM S13 240sx coupe with an S13 Silvia front = Twovia. S13 Silvia front on an S13 240sx hatch = Silforty. Agree? Disagree? Tell me what you think and explain why. __________________

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08-29-2013, 08:17 PM	#8
KiLLeR2001 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: オーランドフロリダ Posts: 7,955 Trader Rating: (46) Feedback Score: 46 reviews	Doesn't matter if 20,000 people call their 240sx's a Silvia, still doesn't make it correct. What it does do however, is promote false information and ignorance. If you don't want to make a name for something then you call it what it is... aka "I have a 240sx coupe with an S13 Silvia front end." __________________

08-29-2013, 08:34 PM	#10
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08-29-2013, 05:31 PM	#2
PeaceOnesxWai Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Age: 33 Posts: 1,220 Trader Rating: (34) Feedback Score: 34 reviews	Sileightys.....

08-29-2013, 06:41 PM	#6
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08-29-2013, 08:38 PM	#11
KiLLeR2001 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: オーランドフロリダ Posts: 7,955 Trader Rating: (46) Feedback Score: 46 reviews	This is not a picture thread and this is not a thread to voice your opinion on what conversion looks good and what doesn't... This is to discuss the terminology of front end conversions amongst the S-Chassis. Do you people even read? __________________

08-29-2013, 08:52 PM	#13
rubhamusan Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Knoxville,TN Age: 51 Posts: 201 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	RS13.4 = S13 180sx with S14 front. -RS13.4 Zenki -RS13.4 Kouki Wouldn't this be rps13? A s13 coupe would be rs13.

08-29-2013, 09:29 PM	#15
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08-29-2013, 09:39 PM	#17
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08-29-2013, 09:40 PM	#18
TMW Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: next level Posts: 1,207 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	ok what if i take off that usdm front end that i just put on and instead put a european 200sx kouki s14 front on my jdm s13 silvia then what is it, but then i get a usdm 240sx hatchback and put a s14 rear conversion on it while being in japan using a jdm s14 rear end edit: actually i want to do a r32 rear conversion on a usdm 240sx hatchback, but i do the conversion while in japan even though the chassis is a usdm 240sx __________________ @tannermwilson

08-29-2013, 09:42 PM	#19
EvBot DET Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Jersey Age: 38 Posts: 200 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	What about the Odyvia? You better make sure to police the internets for people incorrectly referring to that particular variation of doing whatever they hell they want to their cars. __________________

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