i need a opinion from the experts

[import_racer87]

ok to start off i currently drive a 1993 bmw 5 series, auto, a hand me down from my dad, and ive been looking for a 240sx s13 fastback.

ive found a 89 240. 150K on the body, it needs to be painted, but no dents, the interior is in very good condition and here are the mods (the motor came from a front clip):


Sr20DET Redtop Motor, Sr Transmission, Yokommoto ECU
ACT Puck 6 Clutch and Fidanza Flywheel
Greddy TRUST R-Spec Intercooler
Greddy Hotpipe with BOV Flange
Greddy Type-S Blow off Valve
Greddy Profec B Spec 2 Boost Controller
Greddy 3" Test Pipe
APEXi GT Spec 3.8" Cat Back
JIC Magic Tie Rods and Ends
JDM JIC Drift Suspension
Phantom Grip EXTREME Limited Slip Differential + Rear Diff.
Electric Fan and MAFS Upgrade
Greddy MAFS Intake Adapter and Ractive Filter
DENSO Iridium Spark Plugs Gapped to 0.031inches
Autometer Black Face BOOST and H2O Temp Gauges
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump
JVC Multiread CDRW/CDR Player
Halogen Hyperwhite Headlight Bulb Conversion

.....and he wants $8200 what do you think of the price?

[mrmephistopheles]

so your'e looking to buy sepulchral's car.. http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=56692

his price is fair, but i don't think you should get it.

[import_racer87]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

his price is fair, but i don't think you should get it.

please explain.

[mrmephistopheles]

explanation is here: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=60755

[import_racer87]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

explanation is here: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=60755

thats seriously your only concern, or is there something wrong with the car, other than the could be new driver.

[SilviaSativa]

Get a stock 240, replace bushings and other worn-out parts, learn to drive it. THEN build up one hell of a car.

Thanks

[mrmephistopheles]

nevermind. You wouldn't listen anyway.
get the car. have fun.

[holisticbeatz]

I think you should buy it. Sweet deal man.. I don't know what JDM JIC drift suspension,but the hyperwhite headlights and Phantom Grip LSD thing-a-ma-bob are worth like, $100. So that 1989 S13 with the SR is definately worth 8200.

[import_racer87]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

nevermind. You wouldn't listen anyway.
get the car. have fun.

this is a completely serious situation. i autocross the beemer, a total of about 7 times since ive started driving, we have an sL320 that ive pretty much learned how to drive a rwd car in, its not like im sitting here in an integra with a wing and now im trying to be super dorifto master. im not an expert driver but everyday im trying to learn more. im willing to listen, if youll talk.

[brokenben]

Originally Posted by import_racer87

this is a completely serious situation. i autocross the beemer, a total of about 7 times since ive started driving, we have an sL320 that ive pretty much learned how to drive a rwd car in, its not like im sitting here in an integra with a wing and now im trying to be super dorifto master. im not an expert driver but everyday im trying to learn more. im willing to listen, if youll talk.

boo.. i say dont get it.. if i were you.. i probably would buy it.. but regret it later when its wrecked cuz i couldnt control it.

edit: not to mention being able to handle that clutch alone.

[S14DB]

What's wrong with the 5 series? It's newer than the 240sx.

High School sluts love teh BMW's. You're not going to get any tang in the 240sx. I bet that 5 has a nice back seat. Get your priority's straight.

[mrmephistopheles]

i cite a previous post of yours.

Originally Posted by import_racer87

ive had an mr2 for about 7 years and wanted a 240 for the longest time ( probably 4 to 5 years) i came across this car and id like to know what you experts think of it. its a 97 Black SE, 44k miles (original engine) it has a HKS super dragger exhaust, greddy header, and injen intake. it has the usual door dings. hes wants 10,000 for it. is that too high or reasonable?

You say you've had an MR2 for about 7 years. Yet you you're still forced to make car buying decisions with your parent's approval. Also, you username (specifically the '87' part) suggests to me that you were probably born in 1987. This makes you at the MOST, 17. That sounds right if you're still running carbuying ideas by your parents. It doesn't sound right if you say you've had an MR2 for 7 years. I mean.. Maybe it's me... but I didn't have a car when I was 10 or 11. I only started caring about cars when I was about 13. I don't know if you're lying or what.. Maybe you want to make yourself sound more mature. Either way I'm still suspicous.
You say you've autocrossed 7 times. This is not unbelievable. What class do you run in? How do your times compare to your class leaders? Have you had an instructor drive your car on the course to get a feel for how fast your car can go with proper driving? How far off are your times in that case?

I totally understand the want for a cool, fast car. Think about these things really quickly:
Who will be maintaining/repairing the car when the time comes? Who will be paying for insurance? What will you drive if you crash?
I'm guess you'll answer that you'll maintain/repair it, so in anticipation of that, I ask how much experience you have at general car maintenance?
In your posts you talk about having an MR2, driving your BMW and driving an SL320. You also speak of 'learning to drive a RWD car' with the SL320. By this I assume you mean learning how to control loss of grip in the rear wheels and how to correct without overcorrecting. Why was this not possible with the BMW or MR2? They're both RWD, and considerably cheaper than the SL320. Just smells like BS to me.

Long story short: Lies don't impress me. Honesty and an earnest attitude do.
I know it may feel like I'm picking on you or trying to embarrass you. Sorry if it feels that way, but those aren't my goals. You ever hear the phrase 'you can't BS a BSer?'
Well, I'm a bigtime BSer. Reformed, anyway.

Tell us the story. All of it.

[import_racer87]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

i cite a previous post of yours.


You say you've had an MR2 for about 7 years. Yet you you're still forced to make car buying decisions with your parent's approval. Also, you username (specifically the '87' part) suggests to me that you were probably born in 1987. This makes you at the MOST, 17. That sounds right if you're still running carbuying ideas by your parents. It doesn't sound right if you say you've had an MR2 for 7 years. I mean.. Maybe it's me... but I didn't have a car when I was 10 or 11. I only started caring about cars when I was about 13. I don't know if you're lying or what.. Maybe you want to make yourself sound more mature. Either way I'm still suspicous.
You say you've autocrossed 7 times. This is not unbelievable. What class do you run in? How do your times compare to your class leaders? Have you had an instructor drive your car on the course to get a feel for how fast your car can go with proper driving? How far off are your times in that case?

I totally understand the want for a cool, fast car. Think about these things really quickly:
Who will be maintaining/repairing the car when the time comes? Who will be paying for insurance? What will you drive if you crash?
I'm guess you'll answer that you'll maintain/repair it, so in anticipation of that, I ask how much experience you have at general car maintenance?
In your posts you talk about having an MR2, driving your BMW and driving an SL320. You also speak of 'learning to drive a RWD car' with the SL320. By this I assume you mean learning how to control loss of grip in the rear wheels and how to correct without overcorrecting. Why was this not possible with the BMW or MR2? They're both RWD, and considerably cheaper than the SL320. Just smells like BS to me.

Long story short: Lies don't impress me. Honesty and an earnest attitude do.
I know it may feel like I'm picking on you or trying to embarrass you. Sorry if it feels that way, but those aren't my goals. You ever hear the phrase 'you can't BS a BSer?'
Well, I'm a bigtime BSer. Reformed, anyway.

Tell us the story. All of it.

if i saw all of that info without knowing the background id be calling bs too.
so lets clear it up.

my older brother and i both use this screen name, i made it, he uses it sometimes. he has the mr2, white, non turbo. i think the post you are refering to was when he was looking at a 95 s14 that he went to test drive and didnt like it. he still drives the mr2.

the reason i use the Sl320 instead of the 5 series is simply becasue it feels more like a sports car, and with the traction control off can be alot to handle in the rain ( atleast it was when i first started driving it)

now the autocross. i run in the F class, and my time compared to the leader varies on the drivers and the cars there. there are some miatas and crx's that will beat me (and everyone else) by a lot. other times ill do better. I had an instructor drive my car once, he pretty much explained that you can only push a stock auto 5 series so hard, and than the course about 2 seconds faster than me.

the insurance is being paid by me. my parents pay for the bmw insurance but with getting this car id be paying for it. for the mechanical aspect of it, i have friends that do all of there own work on all of there cars which i take part in helping most of the time, but im no mechanic. theres a local sr20 installer that knows the cars like the back of his hand who id use if i had to i guess.

i THINK i answered all of the questions. i dont even know why im answering these questions. i just wanted a simple answer of if the car is a good deal or not. i dont know why i have to explain my whole background for that.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Dude, BMW cars are Bimmers. BMW motorcycles are Beamers. You shouldn't get the 240 just for that mistake.

For someone weaned on an auto Bimmer and a hairdresser's car, I'd say it's rather too much.

[import_racer87]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Dude, BMW cars are Bimmers. BMW motorcycles are Beamers. You shouldn't get the 240 just for that mistake.

For someone weaned on an auto Bimmer and a hairdresser's car, I'd say it's rather too much.

no one can really seem to answer the question at hand here becasue they are too interested in my personal business. ok, lets say im 37 years old, ive raced cars for 18 yrs and now im trading in my ferrari becasue the insurance is so expensive i cant even afford toilet paper anymore. And im dead set on the car listed above but i want to know what you think of the price. give me your opinion on the price.

[FastBack 240]

buy one bone stock with 180k for 600 and then do it yourself. Whats the fun in it?

[ZK]

Originally Posted by import_racer87

no one can really seem to answer the question at hand here becasue they are too interested in my personal business. ok, lets say im 37 years old, ive raced cars for 18 yrs and now im trading in my ferrari becasue the insurance is so expensive i cant even afford toilet paper anymore. And im dead set on the car listed above but i want to know what you think of the price. give me your opinion on the price.

Sounds about right if you were going to buy a 240SX and do the same yourself + pay for the labor to have it done it'd cost about as much for the car. Not exactly the greatest deal but fair.

[pruto]

ok dude, you don't understand. a lot of these kids who drop a few g's on already built turbos/pocket rockets end up either:

1) not know what the f*k they're doing and blowing the motor/turbo
2) not know what the f*k they're doing and running their tyte car into a tree/mountain/large immobile object
3) still not know what the f*k they're doing and moving on to something else

a lot of us young americans like to know think we know what the hell we're doing, but really don't. i was like that when i first got my s14, i didn't know jack shit. thankfully i got a stock 240 instead of a built one, cause i have blown up motors (old car), run into large objects, almost killed myself, on a stock car. I can only imagine what i would have done with a turbo or with the mr2 i really wanted.

sadly, the problem is, a lot of well off families can afford to give a fast car to a kid, have them screw up, replace it, buy a new one, no lesson learned. it doesn't even have to be a fast car, could be nice, could be beat up and kids will have some way of screwing it up. You don't understand now, but in a few years, you'll understand how stupid teenagers are. not stupid as in dumb, but lacking wisdom, self-control, common sense, and most of all, fear. I was kinda in that situation because my dad owns a engine shop, whatever i broke, he usually fixed, i didn't have to worry about it, so i continued being stupid without conseqence.

if you really want a 240, buy a stock one. learn from the start. yeah, it probably may cost more than buying a prebuilt car, but its the learning experience that will matter. learn how to take care of your car, fall in love with it before pimpin' it out. Learn what you can handle, and in the end, the journey would be far more satisfying than just having a sweet, fast, trendy car from the get go. Learn to resist instant gratification.

oh, btw, also, buying built cars means that they have been spanked around before, especially drift cars... haha, a car may look fine and run well, but it doesn't mean it is in the best of shape. buying a car from an old lady on the other hand...

[Ricer240sx]

yeah what they said!!!

o and the thing with buying a car that was drifted and boosted(it was n/a when i got it) is not a good idea!!!! look at the engine page in my cardomain site and ull see what happens to a "strong" running ex boosted drift car a week after u buy it!!!!!!!!

not that im complaining though, this is my second 240 andi have teh KA-T project left over from the first one so ill be running in a week (i hope )

[exitspeed]

Dude to answer your question...I say buy one and build it yourself. I think most of the fun with a car is building it to your tastes. Personally I would not want to buy a car thats allready "done".

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Dude to answer your question...I say buy one and build it yourself. I think most of the fun with a car is building it to your tastes. Personally I would not want to buy a car thats allready "done".

I had contemplated doing what you wanted to do when I first got into 240s, but then I actually got a car and started modding it myself, its fun, kinda lol, at least the benefits are . The worst thing about buying a modded car is regardless of how extensive the mod list is, there could be something little he did, or a corner he cut. And if something breaks you put it together you can put it back together.

[sepulchral]

my advice: get what you want and dont regret it!

import_racer: i will be able to negotiate on price, give me a call or PM me, my s/n is School4heros

[CHOUKI240]

same here. don't buy it. buy a stock 240. mod it yourself. if you're willing to spend 8000, spend it to mod your stock 240. there is many things you could do with 8 grand.

[180sx purewhite]

Import racer87, man I am telling you from experience, don't buy all of that shit off the bat, I am only 18 and am going to college and I just finished the first stage of my project, I am in debt 2,900 dollars. No fun, but I love my car dearly its my baby. I drove her for 4 months bone stock before I got my budget money in order for the swap and coilovers. This car will be faster than any of the previous cars you've owned and will get you into trouble if not responsible with the power. I know cause I wasn't, it's sucks when you get pulled over doing 110 in a 55. I didn't get arrested just a huge ticket, but my days of going fast on public streets are over. But do what I did, you will most definately appreciate the final result more if you pick out the parts and put some of them on yourself.

[sepulchral]

MRmephesto is correct,
but

if u want, just skip all the trouble and buy one already modded, i can agree modding a 240 yourself is fun but if you are impatient, or skeptic about the quality of a motor you cant hand select b4 you pay for it, dont want to wait 3 months for a greddy front mount because they are on national backorder, or being able to find a descent 240 these days for cheap ur gunna spend about the same. and thats all on performance ull spend 7-8 gs prolly (thats on good stuff actually made for the SR- not rigged parts like volvo intercoolers), (including car) then you gotta think well this old piece of shit needs suspension, tie rods, carpet, seats, dash, blah blah blah,

my 240 has brand new brakes, brand new top of the line jic tie rods, brand new waterpump and Perfect compression test results, and it never overheats EVER (of course with new waterpump and fans that is)

BUT... Building your own is fun and you learn alot as you go along, its also very rewarding, make a good decision

[MakotoS13]

if you want to learn everything about your car build it. if you want to buy something fast and not know how to handle it, how to fix it, and get pissed off as hell when the car is anti-stock so no easy fix when something goes wrong, not to mention the fact that you won't appreciate it nearr as much as someone who rebuilds one from the ground up would... then by all means, be a naive child.

some of us are into the knowledge, some are into the rush, and some for both. apparently you're still young/stupid enough to think that you've somehow gained the wisdom needed to fully respect the kind of car that (from what i've read) this is. i mean, it ain't a C5R but its more than enough to kill yourself in...

[SimpleS14]

too lazy to read all the post...but here is my opinion....only buy the car if you previous had a car with simliar mods.


With that said....import_racer87...don't buy the car. BTW...where in VA are you located?

[projectRDM]

All I can say is WTF. A 1989 car for $8200?

I love the people who add up all their receipts, account for hours spent working on it, then price the car according to that. It's hilarious. A 1989 240 is worth $1500, whether it's got toys in it or not. Personally, even with the mods and parts I wouldn't pay a dime over $3000.

And remember, a modded car has been beat. Severely. The owner may disagree, but you don't have stuff like that and not use it. I beat the living piss out of my car everyday.

I won't touch on the age debate, plenty of people have said it well already. It'll just be another SR in the boneyard before long anyway.

[S13Grl]

I won't comment on if it's a good deal or not. However, if you do everything yourself and start with a stock car, you will learn SO MUCH that it'll blow your mind. So it's still up to you. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[DuffMan]

If you want to get it, just get it. It may have all kinds of problems, maybe caused by the person(s) who worked on it, or maybe just because its a modded car and modded cars tend to have lots of problems. Or it might not have any, but be prepared to deal with it, if it does.

The price is fair but not a bargain. Though if I was looking to buy a modded car that I didnt know everything about, I wouldnt be looking for a bargain. Ask him if he'll go down a bit.

If you accept the fact that it will take you some time to learn the cars limits, and the fact that it will never be as comfortable, reliable or easy to drive as the bmw or MB, then go ahead and get it.