John Kerry is like a little girl (PW i guess..)

[nocomedown]

i can't believe i stayed up 'til 2:30 in the effing morning when i had a 7:30 class this morning just so i could see everyone say that it's "too close to call" when Bush had obviously won. Since when does a 130,000 vote lead in a state where 100% of the precincts have reported not mean that you haven't won a certain state. i can't wait to see Kerry concession speech (if he ever does give one). i bet he'll cry.

i know this thread is gonna get ugly with people bashing Bush and how they all want to move to France, so before that happens, go ahead, get the fuck out. take Kerry with you...I'm sure the French would elect him.

[240trainee]

Ok, lemme tell you all something. THE VOTES OF THE CITIZENS DO NOT COUNT!!!!! Come on. The electoral college votes. 99% of the time they go with the people, but case in point, last election. Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the Electoral college. Who got the office? Bush. the 130,000 vote lead matters not a bit, what matters are the electoral college votes.

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by 240trainee

Ok, lemme tell you all something. THE VOTES OF THE CITIZENS DO NOT COUNT!!!!! Come on. The electoral college votes. 99% of the time they go with the people, but case in point, last election. Gore won the popular vote, but Bush won the Electoral college. Who got the office? Bush. the 130,000 vote lead matters not a bit, what matters are the electoral college votes.

i'm well aware of that. i'm talking about the state of Ohio. they have 20 electoral votes...enough for Bush to win. He leads the state by (about) 130,000 votes with 100% of the precincts reporting.
trust me...i know how this all works.

[Mr. Spool]

even if the elector votes go for kerry in ohio, just by chance. he will still loose in the senate becouse he will have less electoral votes than bush and less popular vote. The senate will have to put bush in, but then bush's presidency with be "Illigitamate".

john edwards also said all votes must be counted, but he is not recounting in the 25 other states that are within 2% of each other. I hate to say it but Demacrates are turning into children. They are not looking at what is good for america but what they want.

[HaLo]

Once again, the american system has proven its flaws.

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by Mr. Spool

even if the elector votes go for kerry in ohio, just by chance. he will still loose in the senate becouse he will have less electoral votes than bush and less popular vote. The senate will have to put bush in, but then bush's presidency with be "Illigitamate".

john edwards also said all votes must be counted, but he is not recounting in the 25 other states that are within 2% of each other. I hate to say it but Demacrates are turning into children. They are not looking at what is good for america but what they want.

the 20 electoral votes from Ohio would put either candidate over the required 270. even if they were both at 269, the House would pick the President and the Senate would pick the VP, but that's impossible at this point because that would require a tie.

HaLo - i've yet to see a political system without flaws. ours is just always in the spotlight.

[RJF]

[SilviaNinja240]

we still have to count the provisional and absentee' balots in Ohio too

[BSeay]

Originally Posted by RJF

i knew this was coming....

[SimpleS14]

RJF - lol nice pic......I've noticed you've post alot more this year than you have in the past.

Anywho....I don't think Kerry and his party are acting like little kids....they just want to push for a change bad.

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by SilviaNinja240

we still have to count the provisional and absentee' balots in Ohio too

thing is that nearly all of those would have to be for Kerry in order for him to win Ohio which is pretty much a statistical impossibility.
Kerry forgot rule #1: Don't Mess With Texas

[nocomedown]

good. Kerry learned a lesson from Al Gore and decided to concede rather than make a complete mockery of our electoral system

[RJF]

AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Election

[sykikchimp]

Indeed. Despite the obvious hateful intentions of this thread I will congratulate the republicans on this forum. It was a long hard fight, and Bush certainly passed the "referendum" on his presidency.

...Now, here's to 4 more years of ignoring the president, and talking about cars.

[mrmephistopheles]

AWWW CHIT! I knew it!
Spineless Kerry flops again.

[ICKY]

Obviously the majority absentee ballots are going to bush, if you believe otherwise your a moron. I know for a fact that many military servicemen have voted for bush. Bottom line GW wins!

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

Indeed. Despite the obvious hateful intentions of this thread I will congratulate the republicans on this forum. It was a long hard fight, and Bush certainly passed the "referendum" on his presidency.

...Now, here's to 4 more years of ignoring the president, and talking about cars.

aww cmon. i didn't make this as a hateful thread. i made it because i was frusterated that it looked like Kerry was gonna do the same thing Gore did 4 years ago. i'm surprised he didn't, and i think more highly of him for that reason.

[pruto]

240trainee: last i checked bush also has a 3.5 million lead in the popular votes. if the asses call this election illegitamite, then they are really screwed up.

there is no more than 250,000 provisional votes in ohio, to make up for a 130,000 vote deficit, you'd have to... get 190,000 out of 250,000 votes, thats 76% of the provisional votes, mmm, yeah, if i could bet on those odds, i would.

so if bush wins ohio, he wins the electroal college AND the popular vote, as of now, there is really no flaw.

IF you want to get technical about it, the flaw lays in that John Kerry is so CLOSE in the electoral count even though he is more than 1% off in the popular votes. According to some anaylists that wasn't supposed to happen.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

...Now, here's to 4 more years of ignoring the president, and talking about cars.

Three cheers for THAT!

[sykikchimp]

I've read that many political science analysts think the electoral college system is fubared and outdated. (not exact words..lol)

[BSeay]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

Indeed. Despite the obvious hateful intentions of this thread I will congratulate the republicans on this forum. It was a long hard fight, and Bush certainly passed the "referendum" on his presidency.

...Now, here's to 4 more years of ignoring the president, and talking about cars.

Here Here!

[nocomedown]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

I've read that many political science analysts think the electoral college system is fubared and outdated. (not exact words..lol)

yeah it is. they should switch Cali's 55 electoral votes and Texas's 34. Texas is far more deserving

[1121S13]

HaLo - i've yet to see a political system without flaws. ours is just always in the spotlight.

word..
preach on.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp
...Now, here's to 4 more years of ignoring the president, and talking about cars.

Not quite, primaries and candidates will start coming out of the woodwork in 2.5 years.

Originally Posted by sykikchimp
I've read that many political science analysts think the electoral college system is fubared and outdated.

Why does everyone say that? When they wrote the Constitution the founding fathers wanted to make sure that all states had fair representation. If the Electoral College wasn't used, the populations in smaller states would have no say and politicians would spend all their time and effort in population centers like NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc...

[old_s13]

get ready for the nuclear winter, because wario is still in office.

fuck bush, all i know is if a war goes down.. i'm the first mothafucka to bounce to canada and kickit with mr halo.

[sykikchimp]

they have extridition laws now with canada.. they will rope your ass back in. lol.

[sykikchimp]

Originally Posted by RJF

Why does everyone say that? When they wrote the Constitution the founding fathers wanted to make sure that all states had fair representation. If the Electoral College wasn't used, the populations in smaller states would have no say and politicians would spend all their time and effort in population centers like NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc...

While I know that is why.. The Electoral College gives disproportionate voting power to the states, favoring the smaller states with more Electoral votes per person.

Despite its intentions, the Electoral College does not encourage politicians to campaign in every state.

Some states are still excluded from the campaign; these are not necessarily the small states, but rather they are the states that are not viewed as competitive. (such as Texas for the democrats, or Illinois for the republicans this year.)

Since the Electoral College allocates each state’s votes (except Maine and Nebraska) in a winner-take-all method, there is no reason for a candidate to campaign in a state that already favors them or their opponent.

Also, The Electors from nearly half the states can vote however they wish, regardless of the popular will of the state since they are no bound by law to do so.

Or how about the possibility of a Tie where the house then chooses the President. Obviously this removes the citizens ability to choose their president. If you have a biased house (like we do today), the choice for president wil most certainly go the way of the bias.

(some excerpts and some conjecture from here: http://www.fairvote.org/e_college/)

[wanabe240esx]

does austrailia have the KA? if so i'm down for a gb on plane tickets

[RJF]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

Or how about the possibility of a Tie where the house then chooses the President. Obviously this removes the citizens ability to choose their president. If you have a biased house (like we do today), the choice for president wil most certainly go the way of the bias.

But keep in mind that the Senators and Congressional members were also elected by the people. The Republican majorities must represent some of the public's sentiment.

[sykikchimp]

Originally Posted by RJF

But keep in mind that the Senators and Congressional members were also elected by the people. The Republican majorities must represent some of the public's sentiment.

But what if the popular vote is for candidate A, but there is a tie in electoral college. Goes to the house, and the biased house votes in Candidate B.

Doesn't represent the majority then.

I personally don't know enough about politics to have an opinion on it, but from what I can tell, there are some legitimate gripes.