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240meowth · 01-15-2002, 12:51 PM

how long and how much would a auto-> manual swap cost?

p.s. GRANT, do you know gary? i know he's done this before, so if you see this, can you ask him for me?

Grumpy · 01-15-2002, 02:45 PM

HI,  Are you asking for me?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??  

Yes, we can do it.  It is a pain in the ass, but can be done in about a week.  Hit me up at the shop and I'll work out the price for you.  Or just come by drags this weekend.  Going to be there Sat.. NO,  the rb is still at home.. hehehehehe

Grumpy

www.mckinneymotorsports.com

240meowth · 01-15-2002, 02:49 PM

are you gary?  'cause i'm that kid that goes to elco, we've talked b 4

240meowth · 01-15-2002, 06:18 PM

can i get a response here?

Grumpy · 01-15-2002, 06:57 PM

Yes,  This is Gary.   SORRY!  I am still at work. (SONY CORP)  I've got major problems here.  

Sorry If I don't remember you,  I meet so many people cause of my shop.  ELCO?  doesn't ring a bell......

Grumpy
www.mckinneymotorsports.com

drift freaq · 01-15-2002, 07:09 PM

Hey Grumpy,
he means a different Gary . Gary is my main mechanic man for transmission swaps . I get the part for people and he does the work . Grant just had a tranny and new clutch installed by him. Not trying to step on any toes or anything just trying to clear up the confusion.
240meowth,
if you want the swap done through the guy Grant went to you need to talk to me. I represent him for these swaps . Why ??Because I am the one that gets you your parts for the swap.  

Grumpy · 01-15-2002, 07:17 PM

Cool, no problem....

Grumpy
www.mckinneymotorsports.com

240meowth · 01-15-2002, 09:42 PM

alright, getting confusing here, so i have to talk to drift freak...

ok, to clear things up, so you know this gary that did the rb25det swap on his s14 and also owns another daily driving s14 right?  and this is the gary that did a 5 lug swap for his wheel on his base s14, right?

and how much can you get me a manual tranny for?

drift freaq · 01-16-2002, 12:33 AM

meowth writes..
ok, to clear things up, so you know this gary that did the rb25det swap on his s14 and also owns another daily driving s14 right? and this is the gary that did a 5 lug swap for his wheel on his base s14, right?
_________________________

sure do . He is friend and he does a lot of the swap work for me.

as far as trannys go yes I can get you one . though I think you should email me about the details. There are a couple of different ways we can go about this. Also if you are going to do the auto to manual swap you will need all the parts . I can get all of them. drop me a line at [email protected]

Grumpy · 01-16-2002, 08:58 AM

hehehehe....

Thats funny!!!  My name is Gary and I have a RB25DET in my S13...  dam what a small world.

Grumpy
www.mckinneymotorsports.com

drift freaq · 01-16-2002, 11:33 AM

grumpy writes...
hehehehe....

Thats funny!!! My name is Gary and I have a RB25DET in my S13... dam what a small world.

-----------------------------------------------------
ya it tripped me up the first time I was talking about my friend and someone mentioned your name.
Anyways chillin up here in LA Los Feliz I am sure we will meet soon seeing as I want to see your car anyways . I own a 91 S13 hatch.
planning on dropping a Turbo in seeing as it only has 22,000 ,iles on the car. hehehehehehe

Yoshi · 01-16-2002, 12:43 PM

Hi Grumpy, This is Yoshi from the Velocity board, just wanted to ask ya, would I get a sort of "package deal" or something if I wanted to convert my auto to manual when I want the SR swap into my s13?  Kool to see you on this board man <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

240meowth · 01-16-2002, 12:55 PM

####! rb25 in s13? throw one in mine as well for free! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Grumpy · 01-16-2002, 01:58 PM

Yoshi,

 YES,  We would make you a package deal when you do a swap with us.  Mainly because it is easier with the motor out all ready.

 Just hit me up at the shop when you are ready.

Grumpy

Yoshi · 01-16-2002, 02:08 PM

kewl! I'm getting married in august, and immediately following that, the 240 madness begins <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

You wouldn't happen to know anyplace to get a good deal on some Enkei RS-E's or Konig Traffik's would u? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

drift freaq · 01-16-2002, 08:05 PM

Yoshi my buddy Ken did a auto to manual SR20DET sway on his 90 S13. He's on Fresh alloy you might want to inquire there he can give the low down.

Yoshi · 01-16-2002, 08:30 PM

Kewl thanx... last time I went to fresh allow the site was down, but I'll check it again <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

gh6o6 · 01-16-2002, 08:45 PM

about how much does it cost for the parts/labor to do the trans swap?

anthony240 · 01-16-2002, 10:53 PM

how hard is the swap to do? can an amateur like me do it? I have some automotive experience, but given the time and money, I'm sure I can figure it out. I've looked at ALLDATA for the removal and installation of the auto and manual trannies, they look simple and straightforward, but I forget that I need other stuff too.

there was a page on fatman-racing about the swap, it listed all the stuff I needed, but the page is down. can anyone list the parts I need, and some tips? I'll prolly have a real mechanic help me with the swap when I do decide to do it. auto's getting really boring, ever since I've learned how to drive stick.

drift freaq · 01-17-2002, 12:03 PM

ok , here's the low down on the auto -manual swap
there was a page on 240sx.org in the installs section about the swap on a S14. Well I found out it was incomplete and now the link for it is down.
So here goes the complete parts list which I learned the hard way this is whats needed for both cars S14 and s13
5 speed trans of course price$350-500 depending on mileage
(unless you get yourself hooked up on a killer deal) same on both cars
5 speed trans crossmember (yes its needed) same on both cars
5 speed driveshaft  s13 is different than s14
manual flywheel (price up in air) same on both cars
flywheel bolts( manual ones are longer)
clutch bolts
manual trans to engine mounting bolts( longer than the auto ones)
manual trans backing plate
clutch master( slave is usually on the transmission)
clutch line
clutch pedal
auto brake pedal can be shortened and is actually eaiser to do than dropping your steering column to install manual brake pedal
ok thats the mechanical parts side of things. complete parts swap prices run as follows(keep in mind I have done a lot of work to round up these parts)
swap parts without transmission $200-300 I was doing this for a little cheaper before but it got to be a pain rounding up every last part because you either buy it new for big bucks or run from yard to yard. Why because a lot of the JUnk guys throw these parts away thinking no one will want them and they have no value but when you come to actually get them they rake you over the coals because all of a sudden someone actually wants it and they have to dig it up.
so to sum it up parts with trans $550-700
ok here is the phat part of the deal . I can get the labor done for cheap at a very reputable trans shop in Commerce $200-$250
Now on the wiring side things were not clear in the original 240sx.org link.
Having now had first hand experience with the s14 and about to do the s13 I figured I will share this.
Wiring up the trans after install . On the S14 the trans harness is part of the engine harness so you keep your auto trans ECU . the only problem wiring wise ,which we are working on right now is the computer is still looking for an auto trans and not seeing one. Which is throwing a code which turns on your check engine light.
Car is running fine install is successful. Just this little annoying problem. When we have complete wiring info on how to fix this I will post it. We are working on it.
We shall also see what happens with the S13 because we are going to do it the same way.

SilviaS14 · 01-17-2002, 07:27 PM

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even</a> has partnumbers.

*NemeGuero* · 12-02-2004, 11:21 PM

Hey, to the guy doing the auto-manual swaps, I'm curious to know if I will need any parts for my car. I am doing the RB25DET swap as well soon but my kouki is an auto.. can I use the parts from the skyline clip or do I need the clutch master and slave cylinders from an s14? also pedals and hydraulic clutch lines? thanks
Evan

**Phlip** · 12-02-2004, 11:27 PM

Holy fucking 3 year old thread bumps, Batman!!!

*NemeGuero* · 12-02-2004, 11:33 PM

sh*t my bad, didn't look at that

12-02-2004, 11:27 PM	#23
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01-15-2002, 12:51 PM	#1
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	how long and how much would a auto-> manual swap cost? p.s. GRANT, do you know gary? i know he's done this before, so if you see this, can you ask him for me?

01-15-2002, 02:45 PM	#2
Grumpy Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	HI,  Are you asking for me?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??   Yes, we can do it.  It is a pain in the ass, but can be done in about a week.  Hit me up at the shop and I'll work out the price for you.  Or just come by drags this weekend.  Going to be there Sat.. NO,  the rb is still at home.. hehehehehe Grumpy www.mckinneymotorsports.com

01-15-2002, 02:49 PM	#3
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	are you gary?  'cause i'm that kid that goes to elco, we've talked b 4

01-15-2002, 06:18 PM	#4
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	can i get a response here?

01-15-2002, 06:57 PM	#5
Grumpy Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes,  This is Gary.   SORRY!  I am still at work. (SONY CORP)  I've got major problems here.   Sorry If I don't remember you,  I meet so many people cause of my shop.  ELCO?  doesn't ring a bell...... Grumpy www.mckinneymotorsports.com

01-15-2002, 07:09 PM	#6
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	Hey Grumpy, he means a different Gary . Gary is my main mechanic man for transmission swaps . I get the part for people and he does the work . Grant just had a tranny and new clutch installed by him. Not trying to step on any toes or anything just trying to clear up the confusion. 240meowth, if you want the swap done through the guy Grant went to you need to talk to me. I represent him for these swaps . Why ??Because I am the one that gets you your parts for the swap.

01-15-2002, 07:17 PM	#7
Grumpy Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Cool, no problem.... Grumpy www.mckinneymotorsports.com

01-15-2002, 09:42 PM	#8
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	alright, getting confusing here, so i have to talk to drift freak... ok, to clear things up, so you know this gary that did the rb25det swap on his s14 and also owns another daily driving s14 right?  and this is the gary that did a 5 lug swap for his wheel on his base s14, right? and how much can you get me a manual tranny for?

01-16-2002, 12:33 AM	#9
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	meowth writes.. ok, to clear things up, so you know this gary that did the rb25det swap on his s14 and also owns another daily driving s14 right? and this is the gary that did a 5 lug swap for his wheel on his base s14, right? _________________________ sure do . He is friend and he does a lot of the swap work for me. as far as trannys go yes I can get you one . though I think you should email me about the details. There are a couple of different ways we can go about this. Also if you are going to do the auto to manual swap you will need all the parts . I can get all of them. drop me a line at [email protected]

01-16-2002, 08:58 AM	#10
Grumpy Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hehehehe.... Thats funny!!!  My name is Gary and I have a RB25DET in my S13...  dam what a small world. Grumpy www.mckinneymotorsports.com

01-16-2002, 11:33 AM	#11
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	grumpy writes... hehehehe.... Thats funny!!! My name is Gary and I have a RB25DET in my S13... dam what a small world. ----------------------------------------------------- ya it tripped me up the first time I was talking about my friend and someone mentioned your name. Anyways chillin up here in LA Los Feliz I am sure we will meet soon seeing as I want to see your car anyways . I own a 91 S13 hatch. planning on dropping a Turbo in seeing as it only has 22,000 ,iles on the car. hehehehehehe

01-16-2002, 12:43 PM	#12
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Hi Grumpy, This is Yoshi from the Velocity board, just wanted to ask ya, would I get a sort of "package deal" or something if I wanted to convert my auto to manual when I want the SR swap into my s13?  Kool to see you on this board man <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

01-16-2002, 12:55 PM	#13
240meowth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: torrance, ca Age: 41 Posts: 2,407 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	####! rb25 in s13? throw one in mine as well for free! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

01-16-2002, 01:58 PM	#14
Grumpy Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yoshi,  YES,  We would make you a package deal when you do a swap with us.  Mainly because it is easier with the motor out all ready.  Just hit me up at the shop when you are ready. Grumpy

01-16-2002, 02:08 PM	#15
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	kewl! I'm getting married in august, and immediately following that, the 240 madness begins <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> You wouldn't happen to know anyplace to get a good deal on some Enkei RS-E's or Konig Traffik's would u? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

01-16-2002, 08:05 PM	#16
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	Yoshi my buddy Ken did a auto to manual SR20DET sway on his 90 S13. He's on Fresh alloy you might want to inquire there he can give the low down.

01-16-2002, 08:30 PM	#17
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 48 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Kewl thanx... last time I went to fresh allow the site was down, but I'll check it again <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

01-16-2002, 08:45 PM	#18
gh6o6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	about how much does it cost for the parts/labor to do the trans swap?

01-16-2002, 10:53 PM	#19
anthony240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 1,234 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	how hard is the swap to do? can an amateur like me do it? I have some automotive experience, but given the time and money, I'm sure I can figure it out. I've looked at ALLDATA for the removal and installation of the auto and manual trannies, they look simple and straightforward, but I forget that I need other stuff too. there was a page on fatman-racing about the swap, it listed all the stuff I needed, but the page is down. can anyone list the parts I need, and some tips? I'll prolly have a real mechanic help me with the swap when I do decide to do it. auto's getting really boring, ever since I've learned how to drive stick.

01-17-2002, 12:03 PM	#20
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	ok , here's the low down on the auto -manual swap there was a page on 240sx.org in the installs section about the swap on a S14. Well I found out it was incomplete and now the link for it is down. So here goes the complete parts list which I learned the hard way this is whats needed for both cars S14 and s13 5 speed trans of course price$350-500 depending on mileage (unless you get yourself hooked up on a killer deal) same on both cars 5 speed trans crossmember (yes its needed) same on both cars 5 speed driveshaft  s13 is different than s14 manual flywheel (price up in air) same on both cars flywheel bolts( manual ones are longer) clutch bolts manual trans to engine mounting bolts( longer than the auto ones) manual trans backing plate clutch master( slave is usually on the transmission) clutch line clutch pedal auto brake pedal can be shortened and is actually eaiser to do than dropping your steering column to install manual brake pedal ok thats the mechanical parts side of things. complete parts swap prices run as follows(keep in mind I have done a lot of work to round up these parts) swap parts without transmission $200-300 I was doing this for a little cheaper before but it got to be a pain rounding up every last part because you either buy it new for big bucks or run from yard to yard. Why because a lot of the JUnk guys throw these parts away thinking no one will want them and they have no value but when you come to actually get them they rake you over the coals because all of a sudden someone actually wants it and they have to dig it up. so to sum it up parts with trans $550-700 ok here is the phat part of the deal . I can get the labor done for cheap at a very reputable trans shop in Commerce $200-$250 Now on the wiring side things were not clear in the original 240sx.org link. Having now had first hand experience with the s14 and about to do the s13 I figured I will share this. Wiring up the trans after install . On the S14 the trans harness is part of the engine harness so you keep your auto trans ECU . the only problem wiring wise ,which we are working on right now is the computer is still looking for an auto trans and not seeing one. Which is throwing a code which turns on your check engine light. Car is running fine install is successful. Just this little annoying problem. When we have complete wiring info on how to fix this I will post it. We are working on it. We shall also see what happens with the S13 because we are going to do it the same way.

01-17-2002, 07:27 PM	#21
SilviaS14 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	<a href="http://240sx.cwilfert.com/performance_modifications/manual_conversion/manual_conversion_main.html even" target="_blank">http://240sx.cwilfert.com/perform.... even</a> has partnumbers.

12-02-2004, 11:21 PM	#22
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Hey, to the guy doing the auto-manual swaps, I'm curious to know if I will need any parts for my car. I am doing the RB25DET swap as well soon but my kouki is an auto.. can I use the parts from the skyline clip or do I need the clutch master and slave cylinders from an s14? also pedals and hydraulic clutch lines? thanks Evan

12-02-2004, 11:33 PM	#24
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	sh*t my bad, didn't look at that