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DriftSpecial180 · 04-07-2005, 11:59 PM

Who ditches the Power Steering when they swap motors?? I'm thinking about leaving it behind but i could use some input on what you guys think. Thanks...

Irukandji · 04-08-2005, 12:03 AM

a friend of mine owns an 89 240sx with an sr20det... he never set up the power steering and has been driving it like that for about a year. at highspeeds its not too hard to turn the wheel but once u get to slow moving sections like parallel parking etc its a bitch to turn... but overall a very different feeling.

ur arms will be sore for the first week or two

dunno if that helps.. jus putting in my thoughts

Kyo Kusanagi · 04-08-2005, 01:08 PM

if your going to be drifting, i think your going to be needing it. Some people took it out and was able to drift with it also. I like my PS its a life saver.

Sil Beer S13 · 04-08-2005, 02:08 PM

Power steering is god.

BSeay · 04-08-2005, 02:18 PM

i dont understand why people like getting rid of it? i mean who the fuck wants to strong arm the steering wheel to make slow speed turns?

My friend has a CRX w/o PS and i hate driving that beast....

Power Steering owns!

BoroBoroS13 · 04-08-2005, 02:32 PM

Your going to want PS if you touge or dori. I didnt have it for half a year and after a good long touge run my arms hurt like hell.

MikeFD3S · 04-08-2005, 05:27 PM

You need power steering. Don't get rid of it. If you are even slightly interested in drifting or doing other types of aggressive driving you will need it. I wrecked my '89 coupe because the stupid thing had the power steering belt removed and was running 'pseudo manual'

without PS its much harder to turn the wheel to make corrections that require a bit of steering.

Also, if you are adding positive caster by using aftermarket TC rods, steering becomes more difficult. Positive caster is good for drifting-- negative camber angle increases as the steering angle increases.

Best thing you can do is to reinforce your power steering system so it doesnt boil over. I dont know anyone who makes PS coolers, but you def. can modify the pump and system to run better.

s134 · 04-08-2005, 05:34 PM

you guys are weak, literally, w/o power steering you get much more feel of the road, MUCH more. and yea i would want p/s removed if i was doing touge or mountain driving, it's not that hard

MikeFD3S · 04-08-2005, 05:53 PM

dude you are out of your mind. You only want to to run MS when you are learning how to drive, so you can get a feel for your car and how it handles. For any kind of advanced driving you need power steering.

Are you really running without PS? Every try turning lock to lock on a manual rack while only having a short amount of time to do so? It's not a matter of being some sort of macho cowboy rockstar with buff pirate arms. Power steering is there for a reason, it helps the car. Taking it out is making the car less advanced, less competitive.

Tygma · 04-08-2005, 07:02 PM

What? Out of his mind? Hahah... I run manual steering and i love it.. p/s feels so vague. Hard to turn...?? be a man! Its not that hard, seriously. I do grip in the hills often, but sometimes go drift = ).

Quote:

Power steering is there for a reason, it helps the car.

No, it helps drivers be sissy = )

Hahaha.. but no seriously.. i just prefer it over p/s.

TurDz · 04-08-2005, 07:07 PM

I think the best compromise is power steering WITH good feedback. When I say feedback I mean the feeling of resistance while turning the wheel. Cars the a Toyota Camry have virtually no feel, but a 240sx has a decent amount of feedback, perfect to my taste. I hear BMW's also have a nice weighted feel.

s134 · 04-08-2005, 07:46 PM

my points exactly, i have a 1980 volvo 240 without p/s (3400lbs) and one big ass steering wheel.. it's not that hard @ all, the only car i don't have p/s on is my 97 neon ACR it weighs 2100 and is much more fun with out it... i would remove my p/s on my ka24de but you can't ..

TheSnail · 04-08-2005, 10:26 PM

Why would I have 399hp in the r26, when with out ps I could have 400hp. That why I did it. Shit man, thats the equivalent to three weedwackers!

(26 sold

, I feel like imabout to puke.)

Ricer240sx · 04-09-2005, 01:32 AM

i touge and dori and i dont want it!! didnt have it in my old fastback, dont have it in my FC (came with manual) and eventualy it will be gone in teh new fastback with a custom quick angle steering rack!!

Manual steering is so much better than power casue u get a better feel for it! sure u gotta strong arm it, but thats only when ur sub 5mph!

and lock to lock didnt ever come up! if u have to go all the way to lock to initiate the drift, ur doing something wrong!

Salty_X · 04-09-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeFD3S

Best thing you can do is to reinforce your power steering system so it doesnt boil over. I dont know anyone who makes PS coolers, but you def. can modify the pump and system to run better.

A few companies make "PS coolers", but you could use practically any cooler. I run a fluidyne; works very nice.

DaN_S13 · 04-09-2005, 07:06 AM

i love drifting w/o power steering, you get a lot better feel! It doesnt take a lot of effort either cause the car does all the countersteering for you. I drove my car like that for about a year and after a while you just get used to it. ill be pulling it out of my next car too

Rennen · 04-09-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by s134

you guys are weak, literally,

seriously.... I can park the car with one hand. At autocross I can actually feel when the front tires are slipping, its great! I think I'll take the PS out of the new car too.

I think some of you need to get a better seating position... or grow a pair

mooboy · 04-09-2005, 10:42 AM

I ran without power steering for a long time, and I disagree. It's very hard to make quick changes in turning direction without power steering. Really has nothing to do with macho man bullshit.

s134 · 04-23-2005, 09:12 PM

not macho man, just not weakass

mjjstang · 04-23-2005, 09:23 PM

I would do it if I knew how to, right now its ziptied on my fenderwall waiting for an sr pully or whatever is needed, I love when Iget out of the 24o and into the mustang or whatever other car im in, it turns like butter after that arm workout.

aa87 · 04-23-2005, 10:50 PM

I unfortunately do not have powersteering due to a bad pump, but you get a nicer feel of the road, i want it back though!

pruto · 04-23-2005, 11:37 PM

sooo... how do you take it out? =) i wanna try

i hear you can't completely take it out, only make it semi-manual unless you change parts of the steering rack?

MakotoS13 · 04-24-2005, 09:43 AM

i wonder why race cars use power steering. oh thats right, cause it helps the driver and cause knowing the front tires are slipping doesn't require manual steering. driving without power steering willingly in 2005 is stupid, advocating it is dumber, especially since you are the same guys that brag about how turboes are so efficient over SC's or how much better a 4cyl is than V8. its like you pick and choose what you want because you feel its COOL not what makes it a better CAR.

and that, ladies and gents, is what i call rice.

420sx · 04-24-2005, 09:45 AM

well there was a reason they introduced powersteering. steering a 4000 lbs car on low speeds is bitch for most people. what if ur racing? what if ur drifting?? its stupid not to use the tech available to u

sub9lulu · 04-24-2005, 12:02 PM

but if u gut the car to 2000lb then PS is not really that much
my FC turbo feels just fine without it

SilviaSativa · 04-24-2005, 12:34 PM

Man there are a lot of pussies posting in this thread, especially this makiti guy! Rice...lol!
Early 90's MR2s came standard with manual steering, I don't even know if it was an option. It's there for driver assist and thats about it.

I have no problems whatsoever with no power steering after 6+ months without. It's become so natural driving around town that parking and numerous street corners/maneuvers could be done single handily, though it's bad driving etiquette. And I'm a scrawny guy weighing in close to 120lbs!

I've competed in two autoX events so far this season, and the car feels great, especially the slaloms!
We'll see how it goes later this summer on the somewhat local 1.8mile road course.

**Phlip** · 04-24-2005, 12:48 PM

I just realized that it must be really cool to spell someone's name incorrectly every time you say something about them, it almostv makes THEM look like the jackass

Tygma · 04-24-2005, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

i wonder why race cars use power steering. oh thats right, cause it helps the driver and cause knowing the front tires are slipping doesn't require manual steering. driving without power steering willingly in 2005 is stupid, advocating it is dumber, especially since you are the same guys that brag about how turboes are so efficient over SC's or how much better a 4cyl is than V8. its like you pick and choose what you want because you feel its COOL not what makes it a better CAR.

and that, ladies and gents, is what i call rice.

Driving without power steering willingly is my choice, advocating it is my choice. Its not stupid. It's all about personal preference, not about you coming into a thread and trying to seem all knowledgable again.

Personally I like tuned 4cyls better than V8s. Personal preference.

"its like you pick and choose what you want because you feel its COOL not what makes it a better CAR."

Well then, Makoto, why do you drive the car you drive? Clearly it's not for any reason you speak of in your quote.. I mean...

Why spend all that money on it if its only a lowly 4cyl? Do what's better for the car, RIGHT? Uh oh... I think your silver paint job MAY make you feel cool, i think 5 lug conversion MAY make you feel cool.. but as far as i can see.. it's not BETTER for the car. Why didn't you take all the money you saved and buy a "better" car, Mr. Cool. So you, are the infamous "RICE" that you speak of.

reefer1114 · 04-24-2005, 01:13 PM

my friend has no ps in his ITB 86 and that guy drifts like a pro.

BlazedGlory · 04-24-2005, 01:24 PM

I only read 3/4 of this thread, but I decided to put in my experience. I got my 240 already swapped and without power steering. When I first started driving the car it was a little difficult for a while to get used to. It isn't that it is actually that difficult to turn the wheel imo, it is more like a matter of getting used to turning the wheel harder then you normally do. And I say this without any tough-man cowboy ego or whatever some people were saying because I'm about 5'8" and weigh just under 130lbs, so you know I can't be that strong...

My thoughts...

04-07-2005, 11:59 PM	#1
DriftSpecial180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OC, CA Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How many use manual steering? Who ditches the Power Steering when they swap motors?? I'm thinking about leaving it behind but i could use some input on what you guys think. Thanks...

04-08-2005, 02:18 PM	#5
BSeay Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont understand why people like getting rid of it? i mean who the fuck wants to strong arm the steering wheel to make slow speed turns? My friend has a CRX w/o PS and i hate driving that beast.... Power Steering owns! __________________ 1995 240SX SE - Sold

04-08-2005, 02:32 PM	#6
BoroBoroS13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nor Cal Age: 41 Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Your going to want PS if you touge or dori. I didnt have it for half a year and after a good long touge run my arms hurt like hell. __________________

04-08-2005, 05:27 PM	#7
MikeFD3S Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Age: 45 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You need power steering. Don't get rid of it. If you are even slightly interested in drifting or doing other types of aggressive driving you will need it. I wrecked my '89 coupe because the stupid thing had the power steering belt removed and was running 'pseudo manual' without PS its much harder to turn the wheel to make corrections that require a bit of steering. Also, if you are adding positive caster by using aftermarket TC rods, steering becomes more difficult. Positive caster is good for drifting-- negative camber angle increases as the steering angle increases. Best thing you can do is to reinforce your power steering system so it doesnt boil over. I dont know anyone who makes PS coolers, but you def. can modify the pump and system to run better. __________________ '93 FD3S R1 '92 SC300 5SP '87 FC3S Sport Turbo II conversion '90 240SX Hatch '89 240SX Coupe [dead] '91 Geo Storm [dead] '86 FC3S GXL [gone]

04-08-2005, 05:34 PM	#8
s134 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: indianapolis, in Age: 40 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you guys are weak, literally, w/o power steering you get much more feel of the road, MUCH more. and yea i would want p/s removed if i was doing touge or mountain driving, it's not that hard __________________

04-08-2005, 12:03 AM	#2
Irukandji Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Compton Posts: 4,268 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a friend of mine owns an 89 240sx with an sr20det... he never set up the power steering and has been driving it like that for about a year. at highspeeds its not too hard to turn the wheel but once u get to slow moving sections like parallel parking etc its a bitch to turn... but overall a very different feeling. ur arms will be sore for the first week or two dunno if that helps.. jus putting in my thoughts

04-08-2005, 01:08 PM	#3
Kyo Kusanagi Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 557 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if your going to be drifting, i think your going to be needing it. Some people took it out and was able to drift with it also. I like my PS its a life saver.

04-08-2005, 02:08 PM	#4
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Power steering is god.

04-08-2005, 05:53 PM	#9
MikeFD3S Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Age: 45 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude you are out of your mind. You only want to to run MS when you are learning how to drive, so you can get a feel for your car and how it handles. For any kind of advanced driving you need power steering. Are you really running without PS? Every try turning lock to lock on a manual rack while only having a short amount of time to do so? It's not a matter of being some sort of macho cowboy rockstar with buff pirate arms. Power steering is there for a reason, it helps the car. Taking it out is making the car less advanced, less competitive. __________________ '93 FD3S R1 '92 SC300 5SP '87 FC3S Sport Turbo II conversion '90 240SX Hatch '89 240SX Coupe [dead] '91 Geo Storm [dead] '86 FC3S GXL [gone]

04-08-2005, 07:07 PM	#11
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think the best compromise is power steering WITH good feedback. When I say feedback I mean the feeling of resistance while turning the wheel. Cars the a Toyota Camry have virtually no feel, but a 240sx has a decent amount of feedback, perfect to my taste. I hear BMW's also have a nice weighted feel. __________________

04-08-2005, 07:46 PM	#12
s134 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: indianapolis, in Age: 40 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my points exactly, i have a 1980 volvo 240 without p/s (3400lbs) and one big ass steering wheel.. it's not that hard @ all, the only car i don't have p/s on is my 97 neon ACR it weighs 2100 and is much more fun with out it... i would remove my p/s on my ka24de but you can't .. __________________

04-08-2005, 10:26 PM	#13
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 42 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why would I have 399hp in the r26, when with out ps I could have 400hp. That why I did it. Shit man, thats the equivalent to three weedwackers! (26 sold , I feel like imabout to puke.)

04-09-2005, 01:32 AM	#14
Ricer240sx Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Green Bay WI Age: 40 Posts: 615 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i touge and dori and i dont want it!! didnt have it in my old fastback, dont have it in my FC (came with manual) and eventualy it will be gone in teh new fastback with a custom quick angle steering rack!! Manual steering is so much better than power casue u get a better feel for it! sure u gotta strong arm it, but thats only when ur sub 5mph! and lock to lock didnt ever come up! if u have to go all the way to lock to initiate the drift, ur doing something wrong! __________________ 00 impreza 2.5rs sedan...dd 00 impreza 2.5rs coupe....EJ255, goin rwd!!

04-09-2005, 07:06 AM	#16
DaN_S13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, Tx Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i love drifting w/o power steering, you get a lot better feel! It doesnt take a lot of effort either cause the car does all the countersteering for you. I drove my car like that for about a year and after a while you just get used to it. ill be pulling it out of my next car too

04-09-2005, 10:42 AM	#18
mooboy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 396 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I ran without power steering for a long time, and I disagree. It's very hard to make quick changes in turning direction without power steering. Really has nothing to do with macho man bullshit. __________________ lasmith vids

04-23-2005, 09:12 PM	#19
s134 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: indianapolis, in Age: 40 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	not macho man, just not weakass __________________

04-23-2005, 09:23 PM	#20
mjjstang Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,654 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I would do it if I knew how to, right now its ziptied on my fenderwall waiting for an sr pully or whatever is needed, I love when Iget out of the 24o and into the mustang or whatever other car im in, it turns like butter after that arm workout. __________________ I was going to, but I can not think of a sig less than 75 characters.

04-23-2005, 10:50 PM	#21
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 37 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I unfortunately do not have powersteering due to a bad pump, but you get a nicer feel of the road, i want it back though!

04-23-2005, 11:37 PM	#22
pruto Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Age: 43 Posts: 982 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	sooo... how do you take it out? =) i wanna try i hear you can't completely take it out, only make it semi-manual unless you change parts of the steering rack? __________________ Paul Black and Red

04-24-2005, 09:43 AM	#23
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wonder why race cars use power steering. oh thats right, cause it helps the driver and cause knowing the front tires are slipping doesn't require manual steering. driving without power steering willingly in 2005 is stupid, advocating it is dumber, especially since you are the same guys that brag about how turboes are so efficient over SC's or how much better a 4cyl is than V8. its like you pick and choose what you want because you feel its COOL not what makes it a better CAR. and that, ladies and gents, is what i call rice.

04-24-2005, 09:45 AM	#24
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well there was a reason they introduced powersteering. steering a 4000 lbs car on low speeds is bitch for most people. what if ur racing? what if ur drifting?? its stupid not to use the tech available to u __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

04-24-2005, 12:02 PM	#25
sub9lulu Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 369 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	but if u gut the car to 2000lb then PS is not really that much my FC turbo feels just fine without it

04-24-2005, 12:34 PM	#26
SilviaSativa Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu Age: 38 Posts: 446 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Man there are a lot of pussies posting in this thread, especially this makiti guy! Rice...lol! Early 90's MR2s came standard with manual steering, I don't even know if it was an option. It's there for driver assist and thats about it. I have no problems whatsoever with no power steering after 6+ months without. It's become so natural driving around town that parking and numerous street corners/maneuvers could be done single handily, though it's bad driving etiquette. And I'm a scrawny guy weighing in close to 120lbs! I've competed in two autoX events so far this season, and the car feels great, especially the slaloms! We'll see how it goes later this summer on the somewhat local 1.8mile road course. __________________

04-24-2005, 12:48 PM	#27
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,980 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I just realized that it must be really cool to spell someone's name incorrectly every time you say something about them, it almostv makes THEM look like the jackass __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

04-24-2005, 01:13 PM	#29
reefer1114 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in your womans pants Posts: 638 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my friend has no ps in his ITB 86 and that guy drifts like a pro.

04-24-2005, 01:24 PM	#30
BlazedGlory Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 370 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I only read 3/4 of this thread, but I decided to put in my experience. I got my 240 already swapped and without power steering. When I first started driving the car it was a little difficult for a while to get used to. It isn't that it is actually that difficult to turn the wheel imo, it is more like a matter of getting used to turning the wheel harder then you normally do. And I say this without any tough-man cowboy ego or whatever some people were saying because I'm about 5'8" and weigh just under 130lbs, so you know I can't be that strong... My thoughts...