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TheSparo · 07-14-2005, 01:25 PM

woudl it be necessary to get watercooling on a hybrid turbo, or just something a little more? suggestions?
thanks

gasser · 07-14-2005, 01:44 PM

for reliability purposes i would suggest it

TheSparo · 07-14-2005, 08:48 PM

but if you buy a turbo w/o water lines, and one with water lines, assuming the same turbo and all... what would the diff be? i don't think longevity would be too much of an issue seeing as how it will just keep it cooler...

gasser · 07-14-2005, 10:39 PM

cooler turbo = longer seal life

DoriftoSlut · 07-15-2005, 09:58 AM

I'm running a dry turbo, aka oil only. T3/T04e. Oil temps get pretty hot, i want an oil cooler real bad. But i also like the Coolant temps staying lower. Its all relative i mean the cooling system is designed to cool the oil as well as it moves through the block. So a hotter cooling system (water lines on turbo) will cool the oil less effectively and thus it would still get hot. A cooler system (aka no water lines on turbo) will cool more effectively, but the oil will get a little bit hotter (especially with a big turbine). Either way, its the same thing. If you have a turbine without coolant lines, don't worry it was designed that way, just run the oil lines. If its like a stock turbo and has the coolant lines, run those. If you have yet to get one.... because of cost for fittings and stainless lines, just get a "dry section" turbo aka only oil.

TheSparo · 07-15-2005, 10:09 AM

thats what i thought.. kinda make me think of some calculus concepts like x^8 +7x and the water lines are the 7x how it's pretty much pointless (limits apply as well) a little cal lesson for those of you who are reading haha
thanks man
-Jeff

Kreator · 07-15-2005, 01:35 PM

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/wrx/aps_turbo.htm

i'll summarize it for ya: "Non water cooled turbochargers have no place in a high performance gasoline engine application and should be avoided at all costs."

as for coolant system getting hot... not a problem with a proper radiator. Mine (not a 240) don't go above 200 unless i'm stuck going in 2nd gear.

TheSparo · 07-15-2005, 11:58 PM

i dunno about that info.. seems a little too biased for me... their main argument about the watercooling part is after you shut off the engine... which is what a turbo timer is for... if non watercooled turbos were "to be obsolete in todays technology" then why are the bigger turbos not ball bearing or watercooled? ex. t88 t78 greddy/hks/GARRETT/Arms turbos... they are just trying to get people to buy their turbos...
of course all of this is IMO

Kreator · 07-17-2005, 01:45 AM

umm you are obviously reading it wrong. look at the diagram. even before the engine shutdown, the the non-water cooled turbochargers temperature is above the cocking threshhold. cocking - bad. watercooling just like ball-bearing adds lifetime to the turbo. except it has a much bigger effect on long livity at a very little price... that is obviously if you do your research before you buy the turbo.

there is a reason every factory made car comes with a water cooled turbo. companies just sell turbos - if they sell you a turbo that will last 100 years, you will not buy another one right? So whats their purpose of making a longer living turbo for free? They dont tell you to put a restricter on the turbo either, do they?

07-14-2005, 01:25 PM	#1
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	waterlines on a top mount? woudl it be necessary to get watercooling on a hybrid turbo, or just something a little more? suggestions? thanks __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

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gasser Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Henderson, KY Age: 39 Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	for reliability purposes i would suggest it __________________ 92 RPS13

07-14-2005, 08:48 PM	#3
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	but if you buy a turbo w/o water lines, and one with water lines, assuming the same turbo and all... what would the diff be? i don't think longevity would be too much of an issue seeing as how it will just keep it cooler... __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

07-14-2005, 10:39 PM	#4
gasser Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Henderson, KY Age: 39 Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cooler turbo = longer seal life __________________ 92 RPS13

07-15-2005, 09:58 AM	#5
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 41 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm running a dry turbo, aka oil only. T3/T04e. Oil temps get pretty hot, i want an oil cooler real bad. But i also like the Coolant temps staying lower. Its all relative i mean the cooling system is designed to cool the oil as well as it moves through the block. So a hotter cooling system (water lines on turbo) will cool the oil less effectively and thus it would still get hot. A cooler system (aka no water lines on turbo) will cool more effectively, but the oil will get a little bit hotter (especially with a big turbine). Either way, its the same thing. If you have a turbine without coolant lines, don't worry it was designed that way, just run the oil lines. If its like a stock turbo and has the coolant lines, run those. If you have yet to get one.... because of cost for fittings and stainless lines, just get a "dry section" turbo aka only oil. __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

07-15-2005, 10:09 AM	#6
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats what i thought.. kinda make me think of some calculus concepts like x^8 +7x and the water lines are the 7x how it's pretty much pointless (limits apply as well) a little cal lesson for those of you who are reading haha thanks man -Jeff __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

07-15-2005, 01:35 PM	#7
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/wrx/aps_turbo.htm i'll summarize it for ya: "Non water cooled turbochargers have no place in a high performance gasoline engine application and should be avoided at all costs." as for coolant system getting hot... not a problem with a proper radiator. Mine (not a 240) don't go above 200 unless i'm stuck going in 2nd gear. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

07-15-2005, 11:58 PM	#8
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 39 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dunno about that info.. seems a little too biased for me... their main argument about the watercooling part is after you shut off the engine... which is what a turbo timer is for... if non watercooled turbos were "to be obsolete in todays technology" then why are the bigger turbos not ball bearing or watercooled? ex. t88 t78 greddy/hks/GARRETT/Arms turbos... they are just trying to get people to buy their turbos... of course all of this is IMO __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

07-17-2005, 01:45 AM	#9
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	umm you are obviously reading it wrong. look at the diagram. even before the engine shutdown, the the non-water cooled turbochargers temperature is above the cocking threshhold. cocking - bad. watercooling just like ball-bearing adds lifetime to the turbo. except it has a much bigger effect on long livity at a very little price... that is obviously if you do your research before you buy the turbo. there is a reason every factory made car comes with a water cooled turbo. companies just sell turbos - if they sell you a turbo that will last 100 years, you will not buy another one right? So whats their purpose of making a longer living turbo for free? They dont tell you to put a restricter on the turbo either, do they? __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!